Re: nettime Six Limitations to the Current Open Source Development Methodology

2003-08-14 Thread Benjamin Geer
On Thursday 14 August 2003 14:07, Felix Stalder wrote: The Open Source Approach to develop informational goods has been spectacularly successful [...] The boundaries to the open production model as it has been established in the last decade are set by six conditions characterizing virtually

Re: nettime Six Limitations to the Current Open Source Development Methodology

2003-08-18 Thread Benjamin Geer
Felix Stalder wrote: I totally agree that, from organizational point of view, the points you list such as open participation are very important. Your list is fully consistent with my elaborations. Yes. The Open Organizations project (http://www.open-organizations.org) is an attempt to

Re: nettime If you can't beat them, monetize them!

2003-09-11 Thread Benjamin Geer
Patrice Riemens wrote: SCO invites open source people to 'monetize' Linux A snappy reply from Linus Torvalds, which nicely sums up the crux of the issue: --- http://newsforge.com/newsforge/03/09/10/2321224.shtml?tid=11 Dear Darl, Thank you so much for your letter. We are happy

Re: nettime A Puff Piece on Wikipedia (Fwd)

2003-10-06 Thread Benjamin Geer
Kermit Snelson wrote: Intellectuals and artists have always relied on patronage, patronage depends on plunder, and plunder depends on deceit and exploitation. Who, after all, paid for Europe's cathedrals? Who paid for Beethoven's sonatas? Who pays for universities today? [...] which side

Re: nettime : Re: New Media Education and Its Discontent

2003-10-08 Thread Benjamin Geer
monica ross wrote: Yes, some people are getting paid and others are paying - in some countries, including ones rich enough for it to be free to all. And in some countries, it *is* free for all. Funnily enough, in France for example, the idea of the 'student as consumer', dictating what he or

Re: nettime Red Hat Linux end-of-life update and transition planning (fwd)

2003-11-04 Thread Benjamin Geer
Alan Sondheim wrote: I find the following strangely disconcerting, as a major linux provider slides out from its customer base. For some this would indicate a growth and maturity of the community - for most of us, it already implies a problematic development of open source community. It's

Re: nettime floss enforcement/compliance

2004-02-28 Thread Benjamin Geer
Martin Hardie wrote: I understand from the FSF in the US that they deal with enforcement and compliance of the GPL. That sounds a bit misleading. The FSF defends the copyrights that it owns (i.e. for software that is part of the GNU project), and also sometimes helps out other copyright

Re: nettime floss enforcement/compliance

2004-02-29 Thread Benjamin Geer
ed phillips wrote: I'm curious. They seem in their licensing literature( http://www.mysql.com/products/opensource-license.html ) to be trying to scare non-Linux users, companies, and government organizations into purchasing commercial licenses. I thought MySQL's interpretation of the GPL

Re: nettime Civil and human Rights (from indymedia)

2004-04-27 Thread Benjamin Geer
Aliette Guibert wrote: Around 150 former Italian activists, condemned in Italy for actions linked with the political and social upheaval of the 1970s Translation: nutters who believed that murdering politicians and random civilians would make them popular. Since 1981, they have been legally

Re: nettime Negri with Ballestrini to Battisti and on amnesty

2004-05-22 Thread Benjamin Geer
Martin Hardie wrote: Benjamin has been big on trusting the law and its processes in this one ... I simply think that the same rules should apply to everyone. If we accept that, say, the policemen who allegedly beat up activists in Genoa at the G8 should be tried (as indeed they are being

Re: nettime confused euro muslims (via b. sterling)

2004-08-12 Thread Benjamin Geer
geert wrote: http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/040802fa_fact The _New Yorker_ used to have better editorial standards. This article is inexcusable: it blithely equates Arabs with Muslims and Muslims with terrorists. The Internet provides confused young Muslims in Europe with a

nettime France extradites leftist from Mexico

2004-08-13 Thread Benjamin Geer
An echo of the Cesare Battisti case: this time the accused is French. After a failed bank robbery attempt in Paris that left several hostages wounded, Hélène Castel fled to Mexico. Like Battisti, she was convicted in absentia and sentenced to life in prison. She made a new life for herself

Re: nettime Internet2: Orchestrating the End of the Internet?

2005-03-01 Thread Benjamin Geer
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:05:35 -0500, Jon Ippolito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This hardware intervention effectively destroys even the possibility of fair use, since artists and educators cannot transform, parody, or criticize what they cannot record. [snip] which is why the MPAA will do its best to

Re: nettime Internet2: Orchestrating the End of the Internet?

2005-03-02 Thread Benjamin Geer
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:03:29 -0500, Jon Ippolito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right, American consumer culture is largely self-referential. But that doesn't mean that all non-consumer repurposing of that culture is stuck in the same groove. Remixes like John Oswald's take on Michael

Re: nettime double-plus-unfree digest [byfield, elloi]

2005-03-02 Thread Benjamin Geer
Morlock Elloi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In media content this likeliness of monetizing is much lower. You have to use your imagination. Film viewers don't need support contracts, but they might like to have more of a say in the sorts of films that get produced, and they might be willing to pay

Re: nettime double-plus-unfree digest [byfield, elloi]

2005-03-03 Thread Benjamin Geer
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:37:38 -0800 (PST), Morlock Elloi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have to use your imagination. Film viewers don't need support contracts, but they might like to have more of a say in the sorts of films that get produced, and they might be willing to pay for that. I

Re: nettime W/O(C) digest [geer, salucofagos]

2005-03-07 Thread Benjamin Geer
On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:29:28 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And that you will not entertain (as usual) any transitional forms other than those expounded by your high priests of the GPL of the CC. But I will and I do! See the Open Organizations project

nettime Ethics and Social Transformation (part 2)

2005-03-08 Thread Benjamin Geer
(continued from previous post) Proportional Influence -- What does it mean to be considered a legitimate partner in a political process? It means that your voice carries weight. How much weight? Let's consider these examples given by Michael Albert: Imagine a worker

Re: nettime Imaginary Futures -- A presentation by Richard Barbrook

2005-04-20 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 4/20/05, Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saturday April 23 The Thing at Postmasters 459 West 19th Street 6:30pm It's always nice when people post event announcements on international mailing lists without saying what country, never mind what city, the event is taking place in. Even among

Re: nettime So what is Otpor doing?

2005-06-07 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 06/06/05, Ivo Skoric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1499871,00.html The article says: Our idea was to use corporate branding in politics, said Mr Marovic of Serbia's Otpor, which has become the model for parallel movements across the region.

Re: nettime Frank Rieger: We lost the War--Welcome to the World of Tomorrow

2006-01-11 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 10/01/06, Prem Chandavarkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you have 15% of the electorate on one side, and 4% on the other. The 11% differential is enough to swing any election and all the politicians know it. Therefore, democracy is not about majorities and minorities. It is determined by

Re: nettime on nuclear diplomacy...

2006-01-24 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 21/01/06, brian carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the War of Terror is actually the Palestinian/Israeli conflict writ-larg= e at the world-scale. While this might be an interesting analysis from a psychoanalytic point of view, if taken literally it runs the risk of blurring political

Re: nettime The Sudden Stardom of the Third-World City

2006-03-23 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 23/03/06, Rana Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE SUDDEN STARDOM OF THE THIRD-WORLD CITY I think you have a point about Westerners' changing perceptions, but perhaps you ought to have mentioned the vast gulf between those commodified images and the ways many who live in third-world

Re: nettime The Sudden Stardom of the Third-World City

2006-03-24 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 24/03/06, Keith Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I truly wonder where Benjamin got the material for his riposte Mostly from listening to Egyptians. Where do you get your information on Bolivian politics?The Guardian? I admit I'm far from knowledgeable about Bolivia, but what brought it

nettime Democracy without borders?

2006-04-10 Thread Benjamin Geer
-- Democracy Without Borders? Benjamin Geer 6 April 2006 Many observers of the recent Palestinian parliamentary elections have pointed out that the US has been caught in the trap of its own commitment to Palestinian democracy. Having declared its support for free and fair Palestinian elections, it now faces

Re: nettime Democracy without borders?

2006-04-11 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 10/04/06, nettime nettime-l@bbs.thing.net wrote: A proxy class implements exactly the interfaces specified at its creation, ... If a proxy class implements a non-public interface, then it will be defined ... In 1945, American president Harry Truman decided to support Jewish immigration

Re: nettime re: nuclear diplomatic track

2006-04-14 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 13/04/06, brian carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yet, in 'a state of emergency' it would be imperative to have public .US control over the state, so things do not get out of hand. so, it is like having a circuit-breaker, and what will be called for is that the .US military prepare to take

nettime Latino political influence in the US?

2006-05-03 Thread Benjamin Geer
The American immigrants' rights movement has been getting a fair amount of media attention outside the US. Is there anyone here knowledgeable enough to comment on any broader effects that Latino political movements might be having on American politics, beyond the specific issue of immigration?

Re: nettime Latino political influence in the US?

2006-05-06 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 03/05/06, David Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So although the recent rise of the left in Latin America is momentous and influencing oppinion and across the world, I wonder whether this current US campaign is (as is often the case with US) more inward looking than Ben's post suggests. I

Re: nettime Mona Cholet/ le Monde Diplolmatique: France's precarious graduate

2006-05-21 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 19/05/06, Keith Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the extreme, those who stay in have opted for self-exploitation. This sounds an awful lot like the classical liberal idea that workers and employers are equal parties to an employment contract that they both choose to sign, so if the workers

Re: nettime report_on_NNA

2006-06-08 Thread Benjamin Geer
One of the things I like best about nettime is the high signal-to-noise ratio, and I think it's got better over the last few years. It seems to me that a lot of thought generally goes into the postings that appear here, thanks both to the authors and the moderators. So if a day goes by without

Re: nettime ECONOMIES OF AFFECTIVITY

2006-06-09 Thread Benjamin Geer
Juan Martin Prada's essay reminded me of this talk that Shierry Weber Nicholsen gave a few years ago and that, to my knowledge, hasn't been published anywhere. She takes as her starting point Stjepan Mestrovic's notion of postemotional society: While emotions would seem to be the inviolable

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2006-06-23 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 23/06/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second, apparently blogs are not considered good enough sources for Wikipedia. (Apologies for partial cross-posting.) In my own experience, many of the people who contribute to Wikipedia articles in English, on politically controversial

Re: nettime Re: rejoinder: is a radical project identity achievable?

2006-08-05 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 01/08/06, Brian Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of culture, what kind of shared horizon can help us get there? [...] A political culture that can resolve serious differences between dissenting groups, and can draw plans for using and governing the productive forces that make and

Re: nettime Peace-for-War

2006-08-22 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 22/08/06, Alex Foti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But only if we construct a sufficiently shared narrative on the parable of capitalism and communism in the 20th century, and especially on the exhaustion of neoliberalism at end of the century, can we create the bases for that new radical,

Re: nettime Immaterial Civil War

2006-11-13 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 12/11/06, Matteo Pasquinelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The brand of Barcelona is a consensual hallucination produced by many but exploited by few. [...] The rise of Barcelona to prominence within the European system of cities has in part been based on its steady amassing of symbolic

Re: nettime Iraq: The Way Forward

2007-01-10 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 10/01/07, Felix Stalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, we are in a situation where nobody has any good idea what to do. [...] There are no community rituals, no community centers, often there are no sidewalks. People live in empty soulless houses and drive big empty cars on freeways to Los

Re: nettime Iraq: The Way Forward

2007-01-11 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 11/01/07, Michael H Goldhaber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: b) Venice is in fact becoming de-populated, with its natives moving to the car-unfree mainland; That's because tourism has driven up real estate prices to the point where locals can no longer afford to live there. There are ways to

Re: nettime ACT4MASCHINENDIGEST [Foti, Marcelo]

2007-01-17 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 16 Jan 2007 13:21:11 Alex Foti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are not occidentalists [...] We are rather for secularism wherever we can find it. What do you mean by secularism? Do you mean separation of church and state, anticlericalism, militant atheism, or what an old European leftist once

Re: nettime Iraq: The Way Forward

2007-01-17 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 12/01/07, A. G-C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you explain the proliferation of US military bases in the Middle East[1] if those bases aren't intended to protect American access to oil?[2] [...] to keep a military strategic position of US Defence at the south of Russia and China

Re: nettime Iraq: The Way Forward

2007-01-19 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 19/01/07, Michael H Goldhaber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Contras were in Nicaragua. Reagan hardly hid his political support for them, but was eventually forced by Congress to be secretive about direct aid to them. Yes, Nicaragua, sorry. That's just one of many examples of covert US

Re: nettime history lesson

2007-01-24 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 22/01/07, Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once socialist sharing communities can out-accumulate private Capital, only then will our economic power will extend into real political power. Wouldn't that mean out-producing and out-consuming as well? But that would be environmental suicide.

Re: nettime Energy Consumption of an Avator in Second Life

2007-02-08 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 07/02/07, Alex Foti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, these calculations push me to pose larger questions: how many kwh per year are consumed to operate the Net There are some scientific papers here about the energy consumption of computer networks and computer manufacturing:

Re: nettime appropriation and type

2007-03-21 Thread Benjamin Geer
i'd love to know your take on this manuscript, regarding the field of typography Perhaps your argument would be strengthened by a consideration of some of the issues involved in typography of non-Western scripts. In the case of Arabic, for example, calligraphic tradition long ago standardised

Re: nettime Free Media vs Free Beer (By Andrew L)]

2007-05-04 Thread Benjamin Geer
Free Media vs Free Beer by Andrew =97 last modified 2007-04-15 13:23 [...] * EngageMedia.org - an Australian based free software project and video sharing site for social and environmental justice film from Southeast Asia, Australia and the Pacific. * Transmission.cc - a new global

Re: nettime War profiteers in art (Biennale di Venezia, 2007)

2007-06-12 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 11/06/07, Ana Peraica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking again on the role of the war reporter that has emancipated indicating a cultural need for the distant trauma in public Sometimes it's not so distant. People in Iraq do watch TV news reports about the war going on around them.

nettime Political opposition and communication technology in Egypt

2007-06-22 Thread Benjamin Geer
This is an English translation of the transcript of a meeting entitled Bloggers in Prison, Too, which took place on 18 March 2007 at the Centre for Socialist Studies in Cairo, Egypt: http://www.political-explorations.info/en/wiki/Bloggers_in_Prison%2C_Too The background for the meeting was the