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Hi, colleagues, I am currently trying to model plasma concentrations of parent and metabolite with interconversion. (nmtran code is in the bottom). The data came from a densely sampled PK study in healthy subjects. I put the metabolite Vd identical to the parent Vd as recommended. Then, I managed to obtain some estimates that make the individual plots look nice. However, I doubt whether we can get reliable estimates for K23 or K32 and (hence, even K20 and K30 ) without urine concentration data and without any priori knowledge on the metabolic ratios etc. I suspect that the estimates of K23, K32, K20, K30 and V2 are all interconnected as the Ka and Ke are in the flip-flop phenomenon - Am I wrong ? Searching for some references for the metabolite PK modeling using NONMEM, I found an article reporting detailed pop PK parameters of CPT-11 and its metaolites in patients (Rujia Xie, Ron H.J. Mathijssen, Alex Sparreboom, Jaap Verweij, and Mats O. Karlsson. Journal of Clinical Oncology, Vol 20, No 15 (August 1), 2002: pp 3293-3301) In the paper, interconversion rate constants of interconverted forms (CPT-11 lactone and CPT-11 carboxylate / SN-38 lactone and SN-38 carboxylate ) were tabulated without using any urine data. - If any of the authors comment on the method to obtain reliable values using plasma concenentrations only, I would appreciate. Any comments from nmusers other than above authors are also much welcomed ! Thanks ! Dong-Seok Yim ---------------------------------------- $MODEL NCOMP=3 COMP=(DEPOT,DEFDOSE) COMP=(PARENT) COMP=(METABOLITE) $PK KA = THETA(1)*EXP(ETA(1)) K20 = THETA(2)*EXP(ETA(2)) V2 = THETA(3)*EXP(ETA(3)) ; V2 = parent Vd K30 = THETA(4)*EXP(ETA(4)) V3 = V2 ; V3 = metabolite Vd K23 = THETA(5)*EXP(ETA(5)) K32 = THETA(6)*EXP(ETA(6)) CL20 = K20*VS CL30 = K30*VA S2=VS S3=VA $DES DADT(1)=-KA*A(1) DADT(2)=KA*A(1)-K23*A(2)+K32*A(3)-K20*A(2) DADT(3)=K23*A(2)-K32*A(3)-K30*A(3) BODY{FONT-SIZE: 10pt;} DIV, P {FONT-SIZE: 10pt;margin-top:2px;margin-bottom:2px;} TD {FONT-SIZE: 10pt} Dong-Seok Yim M.D., Ph.D. Associate Professor Department of Pharmacology College of Medicine The Catholic University of Korea 505 Banpo-Dong, Seocho-Gu, Seoul 137-701, Korea Tel +82-2-590-1201 Fax +82-2-536-2485 yi...@catholic.ac.kr