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Hi, colleagues,
I am currently trying to model plasma concentrations of parent and 
metabolite with interconversion. (nmtran code is in the bottom). 
The data came from a densely sampled PK study in healthy subjects. 
I put the metabolite Vd identical to the parent Vd as recommended. 
Then, I managed to obtain some estimates that make the individual 
plots look nice.
However, I doubt whether we can get reliable estimates for K23 or K32 and 
(hence, even K20 and K30 ) without urine concentration data and without any 
priori knowledge on the metabolic ratios etc.
I suspect that the estimates of K23, K32, K20, K30 and V2 are all 
interconnected as the Ka and Ke are in the flip-flop phenomenon - Am I wrong ?
Searching for some references for the metabolite PK modeling using NONMEM, I 
found an article reporting detailed pop PK parameters of CPT-11 and its 
metaolites in patients (Rujia Xie, Ron H.J. Mathijssen, Alex Sparreboom, Jaap 
Verweij, and Mats O. Karlsson.  Journal of Clinical Oncology, Vol 20, No 
15 (August 1), 2002: pp 3293-3301) 
In the paper, interconversion rate constants of interconverted 
forms (CPT-11 lactone and CPT-11 carboxylate / SN-38 lactone and 
SN-38 carboxylate ) were tabulated without using any urine data. -
 If any of the authors comment on the method to obtain 
reliable values using plasma concenentrations only, I would appreciate.
Any comments from nmusers other than above authors are also much welcomed !
Thanks !
Dong-Seok Yim 
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$MODEL NCOMP=3 
 COMP=(DEPOT,DEFDOSE) 
 COMP=(PARENT) 
 COMP=(METABOLITE) 
 
$PK 
 KA = THETA(1)*EXP(ETA(1)) 
 K20 = THETA(2)*EXP(ETA(2)) 
 V2 = THETA(3)*EXP(ETA(3))    ; V2 =  parent Vd
 K30 = THETA(4)*EXP(ETA(4)) 
 V3 = 
V2                                 
 ; V3 = metabolite Vd
 K23 = THETA(5)*EXP(ETA(5)) 
 K32 = THETA(6)*EXP(ETA(6)) 
 CL20 = K20*VS
 CL30 = K30*VA
 S2=VS 
 S3=VA
 
$DES 
 DADT(1)=-KA*A(1) 
 DADT(2)=KA*A(1)-K23*A(2)+K32*A(3)-K20*A(2)
 DADT(3)=K23*A(2)-K32*A(3)-K30*A(3)

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Dong-Seok Yim M.D., Ph.D.



Associate Professor 

Department of Pharmacology

College of Medicine

The Catholic University of Korea

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