Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

2023-10-14 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Nnagain
> On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:35 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > > That is lovely. I too would like to find a place to logout for a long while. You missed my point. I didn’t mean to suggest a logout for anyone. Being connected to reality and life is hard work. Many people distrust science and engineering

Re: [NNagain] [LibreQoS] transit and peering costs projections

2023-10-14 Thread dan via Nnagain
the 900-1400 for 1G is right at what I'm seeing in the rockies region. price scales decently at 10G. transit costs just as much as DIA or more because of port costs on each side. Also, with zayo and lumen, traversing their MPLS networks a few hundred miles probably costs you 10-15ms latency.

Re: [NNagain] transit and peering costs projections

2023-10-14 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 9:12 PM Tim Burke wrote: > > It’s better for customer experience to keep it local instead of adding 200 > miles to the route. All of the competition hauls all of their traffic up to > Dallas, so we easily have a nice 8-10ms latency advantage by keeping transit > and

Re: [NNagain] transit and peering costs projections

2023-10-14 Thread Tim Burke via Nnagain
It’s better for customer experience to keep it local instead of adding 200 miles to the route. All of the competition hauls all of their traffic up to Dallas, so we easily have a nice 8-10ms latency advantage by keeping transit and peering as close to the customer as possible. Plus, you can’t

Re: [NNagain] transit and peering costs projections

2023-10-14 Thread Ryan Hamel via Nnagain
Why not place the routers in Dallas, aggregate the transit, IXP, and PNI's there, and backhaul it over redundant dark fiber with DWDM waves or 400G OpenZR? Ryan From: NANOG on behalf of Tim Burke Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2023 8:45 PM To: Dave Taht Cc:

[NNagain] shared wireless access

2023-10-14 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
Sorry about that. this list is intended to be more political in scope. Moving the nnagain list to the bcc. The libreqos list and chatroom has some smart wisps on it, but your conditions are a bit vague? Could you describe your scenario more fully? There are many mesh network types out there. I

Re: [NNagain] transit and peering costs projections

2023-10-14 Thread Tim Burke via Nnagain
I would say that a 1Gbit IP transit in a carrier neutral DC can be had for a good bit less than $900 on the wholesale market. Sadly, IXP’s are seemingly turning into a pay to play game, with rates almost costing as much as transit in many cases after you factor in loop costs. For example, in

Re: [NNagain] transit and peering costs projections

2023-10-14 Thread le berger des photons via Nnagain
as interesting as this all is, this wasn't the discussion I'm looking for. Perhaps you know of somewhere I can go to find what I'm looking for. I'm looking to figure out how to share two different accesses among the same group of clients depending on varying conditions of the main wifi links

Re: [NNagain] transit and peering costs projections

2023-10-14 Thread Dave Cohen via Nnagain
I’m a couple years removed from dealing with this on the provider side but the focus has shifted rapidly to adding core capacity and large capacity ports to the extent that smaller capacity ports like 1 Gbps aren’t going to see much more price compression. Cost per bit will come down at higher

Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

2023-10-14 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
That is lovely. I too would like to find a place to logout for a long while. 172 thoughts left to come in! /me makes mental push for everyone to check their spam folders (was this list coming in as spam?) On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 3:54 PM Eugene Y Chang wrote: > > Build an institute to teach an

[NNagain] transit and peering costs projections

2023-10-14 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
This set of trendlines was very interesting. Unfortunately the data stops in 2015. Does anyone have more recent data? https://drpeering.net/white-papers/Internet-Transit-Pricing-Historical-And-Projected.php I believe a gbit circuit that an ISP can resell still runs at about $900 - $1.4k (?) in

Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

2023-10-14 Thread Eugene Y Chang via Nnagain
Build an institute to teach an appreciation of natural philosophy and Zen. (I need to think more about generalizing alternative development to spiritual connections.) Many people have lost (or lack) a connection to both approaches to reality. Gene --

Re: [NNagain] Internet Education for Non-technorati?

2023-10-14 Thread rjmcmahon via Nnagain
Hi Sebastian, On being unleashed, I think this applies to consumer electronics too. Not sure why HDMI class cables will be needed. WiFi 7 is spec'd at 16 MIMO radios at 45Gb/s per front end module. Add some hw compression/decompression, I think it can carry even HDMI Utlra High Speed or 8K.

Re: [NNagain] some compelling rhetoric

2023-10-14 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 8:08 PM Dave Taht wrote: > > I note that when I complement someone's rhetoric, I am often quite > honestly admiring of it, and yet being sarcastic about the uses to > subtly mislead. I am also hoping that with 186 people on the list, > that more will be inspired to thrash

Re: [NNagain] QR codes on the move

2023-10-14 Thread Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain
I guess that at least 1/4 of it would be people trying to find out what it is with their smartphone cameras. I scan QR codes I see if it looks like it may lead to something interesting… All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram,

[NNagain] QR codes on the move

2023-10-14 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
https://twitter.com/Laughing_Mantis/status/1710043283295256812 "Traveling with a custom made QR code visible on a bag or clothing between 2 airports and 2 countries reveals 16 unique scans over 96 hours" I know there are a lot of cameras out there, but holy cow. This of course does not count the

Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

2023-10-14 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
Thank you! 173 people left to weigh in! On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 3:49 AM Qian Li wrote: > > I would like to fund in three areas. > > Quantum computer design. It is the next revolution in the computing world. > Building programmable network routers that are sufficiently quick to handle > network

Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

2023-10-14 Thread Qian Li via Nnagain
I would like to fund in three areas. 1. Quantum computer design. It is the next revolution in the computing world. 2. Building programmable network routers that are sufficiently quick to handle network packets at line speeds. In the meantime, router functions can be updated as easily and

Re: [NNagain] Internet Education for Non-technorati?

2023-10-14 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Nnagain
Hi Bob, > On Oct 13, 2023, at 19:20, rjmcmahon wrote: > > Hi Sebastian, > > It was the ISP tech support over the phone. Trying to help install a home > network over the phone w/o a technician isn't easy. [SM] Ah, okay. I would never even think about calling my ISP when considering

Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

2023-10-14 Thread Joe Hamelin via Nnagain
I'd get a private train car and travel America giving away the money to people in need. On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 9:44 PM Dave Taht via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > in trying to initiate some out of the box thinking here... > > What would *you* do with a billion dollars? > >