Re: [NNagain] NN and freedom of speech, and whether there is worthwhile good-faith discussion in that direction

2023-10-17 Thread Jack Haverty via Nnagain
When I introduced the VGV acronym, I used Gaming as the G, but that was probably misleading.  There are many "use cases" other than gaming.   A better term might be Interactive, and a VIV acronym. Personally, I've been experimenting with "home automation", and have found the cloud-based

Re: [NNagain] NN and freedom of speech, and whether there is worthwhile good-faith discussion in that direction

2023-10-17 Thread Spencer Sevilla via Nnagain
I know this is a small side note but I felt compelled to speak up in defense of online gaming. I’m not a gamer at all and up till a year or two ago, would have agreed with Dick’s take about benefit to “society as a whole.” However, lately I’ve started hearing some research on the benefits of

Re: [NNagain] Small ISP Carve Out

2023-10-17 Thread Spencer Sevilla via Nnagain
Yeah, I’m split on this. I do generally like the take of “laws for ISPs should apply equally to all ISPs” but two valid and very different reasons immediately came to mind for taking size into account. 1: Performance. I’ve supported some *very* backhaul constrained networks, and you quickly

Re: [NNagain] Small ISP Carve Out

2023-10-17 Thread Jeremy Austin via Nnagain
IMO the argument in seeking additional forbearance is that if all ISPs, no matter the size, have a similar minimum burden of regulatory filing and that burden is large, it acts as a barrier to entry. In a perfect world the rules can apply to all sizes of ISPs *and* not be burdensome. To keep this

Re: [NNagain] The history of congestion control on the internet

2023-10-17 Thread Dick Roy via Nnagain
While this article (How to Fix the Internet) is not explicitly about congestion control, it is nonetheless about "congestion of a sort on the internet", and it is definitely worth a read!

[NNagain] Small ISP Carve Out

2023-10-17 Thread Livingood, Jason via Nnagain
“Small Broadband Providers Urge FCC to Leave Them Out of Some Net Neutrality Rules” See https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2023/10/small-broadband-providers-urge-fcc-to-leave-them-out-of-some-net-neutrality-rules/. My personal opinion is any rules should apply to all providers. After all, my

Re: [NNagain] NN and freedom of speech, and whether there is worthwhile good-faith discussion in that direction

2023-10-17 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Nnagain
Hi Richard, > On Oct 16, 2023, at 20:04, Dick Roy wrote: > > Good points all, Sebastien. How to "trade-off" a fixed capacity amongst many > users is ultimately a game theoretic problem when users are allowed to make > choices, which is certainly the case here. Secondly, any network that