Re: [NNagain] upgrading old routers to modern, secure FOSS

2023-10-23 Thread Ignacio Ocampo via Nnagain
Hi there, a quick update since I published the post . We've now deployed 50+ units (out of the 200+ goal) so far, and it's working really well! The fact that I now have full-control and visibility on what is going on

Re: [NNagain] upgrading old routers to modern, secure FOSS

2023-10-23 Thread Robert McMahon via Nnagain
Thanks, this is very interesting. I wrote code to DMA packets in an early Cisco switch and the hardware ASIC that did the movement across the fabric would provide a simple status of success or not. Unfortunately, the ASIC would at times indicate success and never move the packet across the

Re: [NNagain] upgrading old routers to modern, secure FOSS

2023-10-23 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 10:44 AM le berger des photons via Nnagain wrote: > > you've convinced me to go see libre qos. thanks. Thank you, but that was not my intent. I was actually trying to course correct the growing QoE industry and their ISP customers to be measuring and deploying the right

Re: [NNagain] upgrading old routers to modern, secure FOSS

2023-10-23 Thread Karl Auerbach via Nnagain
I couldn't agree with you more - we need to take care that any control or management systems we create are not turn-off-the-Internet switches in disguise. My even larger fear is that as we increasingly cross-link our various forms of infrastructure that protective measures will put us into

Re: [NNagain] upgrading old routers to modern, secure FOSS

2023-10-23 Thread David Lang via Nnagain
On Mon, 23 Oct 2023, Karl Auerbach via Nnagain wrote: It would be nice if we built our network devices so that they each had a little introspective daemon that frequently asked "am I healthy, am I still connected, are packets still moving through me?"  (For consumer devices an answer of "no"

[NNagain] cory doctorow today

2023-10-23 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
It only made my teeth grind once or twice. Sometimes the experts are, indeed wrong, and then work for decades to repair their mistakes. https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/1716522481710956732 -- Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos

Re: [NNagain] upgrading old routers to modern, secure FOSS

2023-10-23 Thread Karl Auerbach via Nnagain
On 10/23/23 2:54 PM, rjmcmahon wrote: Home networks today are embarrassing to me. Our industry is woefully behind here. I would be more expansive. (Bringing this back to network neutrality - my argument, not clearly suggested below, is that "neutrality" is more than bandwidth or

Re: [NNagain] upgrading old routers to modern, secure FOSS

2023-10-23 Thread rjmcmahon via Nnagain
I get the nostalgia for old tools and old routers but the industry is providing better tools for testing TCP and much better hw & network stacks. One such tool is iperf 2, and it's actively maintained and released as open source. https://sourceforge.net/projects/iperf2/ TCP is not static

Re: [NNagain] upgrading old routers to modern, secure FOSS

2023-10-23 Thread David Lang via Nnagain
On Mon, 23 Oct 2023, Jack Haverty via Nnagain wrote: We discovered that most computers simply believed the latest ARP information it received.   So it was easy for the Flakeway to insert itself into any IP traffic flow and do its work, without any changes to software in any other computer. 

Re: [NNagain] upgrading old routers to modern, secure FOSS

2023-10-23 Thread Jack Haverty via Nnagain
On 10/23/23 10:58, Dave Taht via Nnagain wrote: I wish that the city-dwellers of BEAD so in love with fiber would insert 70ms of rural delay into all their testing. FYI, in case someone wants to pursue such real-world testing When we were testing TCP/IP software about 40 years ago there

Re: [NNagain] upgrading old routers to modern, secure FOSS

2023-10-23 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Nnagain
Hi Dave, > On Oct 23, 2023, at 19:58, Dave Taht via Nnagain > wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 10:04 AM Dave Taht wrote: >> >> I loved that this guy and his ISP burned a couple weeks learning how >> to build openwrt, built something exactly to the need, *had it work >> the first time* and

Re: [NNagain] upgrading old routers to modern, secure FOSS

2023-10-23 Thread Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain
If you can help me to define how exactly it should be done, I will ask WLPC folks and we will see if there is someone willing to do it. On the other hand, this is why I was telling you about wireless LAN guys and their admiration

Re: [NNagain] upgrading old routers to modern, secure FOSS

2023-10-23 Thread David Lang via Nnagain
On Mon, 23 Oct 2023, Dave Taht via Nnagain wrote: 4k video streaming: Failed. However this network is MORE than capable of 1024p streaming. 4k is difficult to discern except on large, expensive televisions. if you watch for sales, you can get fairly cheal 4k equipment. I have 27" 4k monitors

Re: [NNagain] upgrading old routers to modern, secure FOSS

2023-10-23 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 10:47 AM Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain wrote: > > Such a great thing to read! Another LibreQoS man aboard. Well, here is me trying to counter the now-too-popular idea that you can shape everything at the middlebox at the ISP. It is a good start to do that! The packet

Re: [NNagain] upgrading old routers to modern, secure FOSS

2023-10-23 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 10:04 AM Dave Taht wrote: > > I loved that this guy and his ISP burned a couple weeks learning how > to build openwrt, built something exactly to the need, *had it work > the first time* and are in progress to update in place 200+ routers to > better router software, that

Re: [NNagain] upgrading old routers to modern, secure FOSS

2023-10-23 Thread Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain
Such a great thing to read! Another LibreQoS man aboard. Btw, Ignacio might be here, but cc'ing him anyway. All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype:

Re: [NNagain] upgrading old routers to modern, secure FOSS

2023-10-23 Thread le berger des photons via Nnagain
you've convinced me to go see libre qos. thanks. On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 7:04 PM Dave Taht via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > I loved that this guy and his ISP burned a couple weeks learning how > to build openwrt, built something exactly to the need, *had it work > the first

[NNagain] upgrading old routers to modern, secure FOSS

2023-10-23 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
I loved that this guy and his ISP burned a couple weeks learning how to build openwrt, built something exactly to the need, *had it work the first time* and are in progress to update in place 200+ routers to better router software, that just works, with videoconferencing, IPv6 support, and OTA