Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread David Lang via Nnagain
to be very clear, I am in no way saying that anyone's (let alone saying women's) views are not desired. I think a diversity of views if extremely valuable. I just get my back up when people say things like 'there need to more X in charge' (for any value of X that refers to a characteristic

Re: [NNagain] Net neutrality and Bufferbloat?

2023-12-15 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 3:12 PM Ronan Pigott via Nnagain wrote: > > Hi, > > I read the recent NOI response and it sparked my interest in the relationship > between Net Neutrality and bufferbloat. I also found [1] which makes it seem > Net Neutrality is an obstacle to solving bufferbloat in the

Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread Gert Doering via Nnagain
Hi, On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 01:46:06PM +0100, Frantisek Borsik via Starlink wrote: > The same is true for missing/loosing support for FWA in the grand/funding > schemes: all the arguments thrown around by fiber cheerleaders are based > on bandwidth (at best) or "speed" (in most cases) or some

[NNagain] Net neutrality and Bufferbloat?

2023-12-15 Thread Ronan Pigott via Nnagain
Hi, I read the recent NOI response and it sparked my interest in the relationship between Net Neutrality and bufferbloat. I also found [1] which makes it seem Net Neutrality is an obstacle to solving bufferbloat in the US, at least. I'm just curious about the legal obstacles to bufferbloat

Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 2:13 PM David Bray, PhD via Nnagain wrote: > > This GPT(human)bot was responding to the engineered prompt: >>why do you > think telehealth won't work over LEO services? > > As it's Friday, this GPT(human)bot bandwidth has been fully utilized for the > week. Our servers

Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread Kenline, Doug via Nnagain
I’m a Return-to-Office worker and we come in to the office to do our in-person meetings on Zoom. The conference rooms are only used for storage now. Doug From: Nnagain On Behalf Of David Bray, PhD via Nnagain Sent: Friday, December 15, 2023 5:13 PM To: David Lang Cc: David Bray, PhD ;

Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
This is principally a male dominated list, and I in general assume that the public debate over fiber, bandwidth, etc, etc skews heavily male also. It is a very good set of questions to ask about how the internet should be structured to best meet the needs of both sexes, and how that has changed

Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread David Bray, PhD via Nnagain
This GPT(human)bot was responding to the engineered prompt: >>why do you think telehealth won't work over LEO services? As it's Friday, this GPT(human)bot bandwidth has been fully utilized for the week. Our servers will be back-on line come Monday. Wishing everyone (human or machine) a

Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread David Lang via Nnagain
what does this have to do with starlink vs FTTH? I don't know or care the sex of the other people in this discussion, I could make guesses based on the listed names for some, but by no means all, but why would I? This discussion is open to anyone. David Lang On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, rjmcmahon

Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread David Lang via Nnagain
I don't disagree with anything that you say below, but the discussion was on the topic of starlink vs fiber, with the person I was responding to claiming that we needed to have women in charge of the Internet companies because of telehealth as well. I'm a remote worker and VERY aware of how

Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread David Bray, PhD via Nnagain
There’s good evidence that physical health can be done over LEO as long as it isn’t low latency dependent. Of course our illustrious listserv founder Dave Taht will be quick to point out high latency is also found via ground-based connections too. That said, there is still a lot of research

Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread rjmcmahon via Nnagain
I surveyed some female telehealth providers. There are a lot of subtleties required to make telehealth work well for the providers. Their knowledge level is quite fascinating. I don't see their voices here on these boards either. In education, the absence of something being taught is called

Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread David Lang via Nnagain
why do you think telehealth won't work over LEO services? I've used it personally. Even if women use telehealth more than men, that doesn't say that women have any particular advantage in moving the bits around that make telehealth possible. David Lang On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, rjmcmahon wrote:

Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread rjmcmahon via Nnagain
Women are the primary users and providers of telehealth services. They are using broadband to care for our population. They also run most of the addiction services across our country, whatever the addiction may be. So gender actually matters. Ask them as providers. Telehealth doesn't work over

Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread David Lang via Nnagain
who exactly do you think is calling for there to be no Internet access? and what in the world does the sex of individuals have to do with shipping bits around? Starlink (and hopefully it's future competitors) provides a way to get Internet service to everyone without having to run fiber to

Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread rjmcmahon via Nnagain
Hi All, We're trying to modernize America. LBJ helped do it for electricity decades ago. It's our turn to step up to the plate. Tele-health and distance learning requires us to do so. There is so much to follow. A reminder what many women went through before LBJ showed up. I'm skeptical a

Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread David Lang via Nnagain
On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, Sebastian Moeller via Starlink wrote: Hi Frantisek, On Dec 15, 2023, at 13:46, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain wrote: Thus, technically speaking, one would like the advantages of satcom such as starlink, to be at least 5gbit/s in 10 years time, to overcome the 'tangled

Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Nnagain
Hi Frantisek, > On Dec 15, 2023, at 13:46, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain > wrote: > > Thus, technically speaking, one would like the advantages of satcom such > as starlink, to be at least 5gbit/s in 10 years time, to overcome the > 'tangled fiber' problem. > > No, not really. Starlink was

Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain
> > Thus, technically speaking, one would like the advantages of satcom such > as starlink, to be at least 5gbit/s in 10 years time, to overcome the > 'tangled fiber' problem. No, not really. Starlink was about to address the issue of digital divide - delivering internet to those 640k locations,