Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

2023-10-13 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
thx for your thoughts! I have a fear that the other 175 other people here that have not posted yet have all our emails are going directly into their spam bin, so I wanted with this post to encourage people to lean back, relax (smoke one if you got 'em! Put on some great record on the stereo too),

Re: [NNagain] some compelling rhetoric

2023-10-13 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
I note that when I complement someone's rhetoric, I am often quite honestly admiring of it, and yet being sarcastic about the uses to subtly mislead. I am also hoping that with 186 people on the list, that more will be inspired to thrash out truths and lies, rationally... and come up with better

Re: [NNagain] Internet Education for Non-technorati?

2023-10-13 Thread rjmcmahon via Nnagain
As an open-source maintainer of iperf 2, which is basically a network socket & traffic tool, I find this history extremely interesting. Releasing a measurement tool free to all, with transparent code, allows everyone access to a "shared yardstick." While maybe not enough, hopefully, it helps a

Re: [NNagain] some compelling rhetoric

2023-10-13 Thread rjmcmahon via Nnagain
Not sure of the goals with this, but it reads like misinformation and propaganda to me. The state of so-called "digital journalism" today is very sad. Hopefully, we'll find a way so quality journalism can rise to the top, created by journalists who get paid for publishing with integrity and

Re: [NNagain] Internet Education for Non-technorati?

2023-10-13 Thread Jack Haverty via Nnagain
Good point -- "How would I know if an installation was meeting the specs?" It *has* been done before.  From a historical perspective... When TCPV4 was being defined and documented in RFCs (e.g., RFC 793), circa 1981, other activities were happening in the administrative bureaucracy of the US

[NNagain] some compelling rhetoric

2023-10-13 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
https://www.freepress.net/blog/what-net-neutrality It also contains a link to the proposed NPRM. I am however, under the impression that 2019-2022 bandwidths increased by a lot, coverage was extended to more folk, and cell phones subsidiezed by ACP kept a lot of people connected. -- Oct 30:

Re: [NNagain] Internet Education for Non-technorati?

2023-10-13 Thread rjmcmahon via Nnagain
Hi Sebastian, Sun workstations targeted engineers, many were sw engineers, who used the hardware to write sw for their workstations which was critical to success of the hardware & company. Sun was likely the very first open source company. Then hardware became more of a commodity where free

Re: [NNagain] Internet Education for Non-technorati?

2023-10-13 Thread rjmcmahon via Nnagain
Hi Sebastian, It was the ISP tech support over the phone. Trying to help install a home network over the phone w/o a technician isn't easy. In many U.S. states, smoke detectors are required to be no more that 30' apart, must be AC powered, battery backed up and must communicate with one

Re: [NNagain] Internet Education for Non-technorati?

2023-10-13 Thread Robert McMahon via Nnagain
That's interesting. It's basically saying the security risk is openwrt sw. The chips themselves aren't, and signal processing is not either. I'll add that to FiWi's remote radio head argument, i.e. it's inherently more secure. Security is a huge problem for everyone. ⁣Bob On Oct 13, 2023,

Re: [NNagain] Internet Education for Non-technorati?

2023-10-13 Thread Hal Murray via Nnagain
Jack Haverty said: > A few days ago I made some comments about the idea of "educating" the > lawyers, politicians, and other smart, but not necessarily technically > adept, decision makers. That process might work. Stanford has run programs on cyber security for congressional staffers. From

Re: [NNagain] Internet Education for Non-technorati?

2023-10-13 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Nnagain
Hi Bob, > On Oct 13, 2023, at 06:31, rjmcmahon via Nnagain > wrote: > > Hi David, > > I think we're looking at different parts of the elephant. I perceive huge > advances in WiFi (phy, dsp, radios, fems, etc.) and residential gateway chips > of late. Not sure the state of chips used by the

Re: [NNagain] Internet Education for Non-technorati?

2023-10-13 Thread David Lang via Nnagain
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, rjmcmahon wrote: I think we're looking at different parts of the elephant. I perceive huge advances in WiFi (phy, dsp, radios, fems, etc.) and residential gateway chips of late. My point is that the chips behavior doesn't change when you switch to a newer release of

Re: [NNagain] Internet Education for Non-technorati?

2023-10-13 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Nnagain
Hi Bob, > On Oct 12, 2023, at 17:55, Robert McMahon via Nnagain > wrote: > > Hi David, > > The vendors I know don't roll their own os code either. The make their own > release still mostly based from Linux and they aren't tied to the openwrt > release process. > > I think GUIs on CPEs

Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

2023-10-13 Thread rjmcmahon via Nnagain
o) FiWi chips and FiWi concentrators o) Train people in fields that give them long term careers, e.g. how to construct & manage fiber & RF networks o) Things to help with climate impacts, e.g. advertise the heck out of heat pumps o) Fund shelters and support systems for victims of domestic