Re: [NNagain] Spam filtering

2023-10-27 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 4:23 PM Nathan Simington via Nnagain wrote: > > This has gone from mere cost-shifting to protocol takeover. Self-hosting is > essentially dead because you are guaranteed to get filtered by Outlook and > Gmail, which means that there is de facto embrace-and-extend --

Re: [NNagain] Spam filtering

2023-10-27 Thread Nathan Simington via Nnagain
This has gone from mere cost-shifting to protocol takeover. Self-hosting is essentially dead because you are guaranteed to get filtered by Outlook and Gmail, which means that there is de facto embrace-and-extend -- "best viewed in Internet Explorer at 800x600" but for a core standard. On Fri, Oct

[NNagain] Spam filtering

2023-10-27 Thread Hal Murray via Nnagain
[Was Amtrack] > 2) I could get mad that I figure 80% of this new email list is vanishing into > spam boxes. > What of the 10s of thousands of other emails that have come over the years > not just from lists.bufferbloat.net but from people trying honestly to > communicate? There is/was a good

Re: [NNagain] An Amtrak trip through the real world yesterday

2023-10-27 Thread rjmcmahon via Nnagain
I received Nathan's email through my personal server & MTA. I've been running my own MTA since 2000. It's a non trivial amount of work to keep it useful & working. Many list providers went out of business likely because the cost to run them exceeded revenues. The majors read everyone's email

Re: [NNagain] An Amtrak trip through the real world yesterday

2023-10-27 Thread Jack Haverty via Nnagain
On 10/27/23 12:37, Dave Taht via Nnagain wrote: I could get mad that I figure 80% of this new email list is vanishing into spam boxes. As the administrator, I check my logs, the email was accepted, it is not in any public spam blockers like RBL, and I have no idea what to do or who to contact

[NNagain] An Amtrak trip through the real world yesterday

2023-10-27 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
Normally I would blog a story like this, but knowing I have an audience of at least 10 people that might read it, via email, you can ignore it if you want, or cue up the song at the end and wade through it. This story is pertinent to the nn list eventually, I think. After some editing, it will end

Re: [NNagain] RFC: Public Communications on Tech Infrastructure

2023-10-27 Thread Dave Taht via Nnagain
2 items: 1 - nathan's email ended up in my spam folder, and if david had not replied I would not have seen even part of it. I had to search on a key phrase "Branching from Dave's thread" to find it (A search for "nnagain nathan" did not), and Google's filter described it as "this email looks