Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-30 Thread David Rogers
Keith J. Schultz keithjschu...@web.de writes: Hi All, I would agree that the users default should be respected. I will have to contradict my last post them. My suggestion them is to use a system variable such as ConTeXtViewer. This variable would contain the program to be called. If it

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-28 Thread luigi scarso
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:29 AM, Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote: Unfortunately my version of evince doesn't always print correctly a pdf made by context mkiv \starttext $3v$ \par $3\omega$ \stoptext When I do print-preview, the math is not shown,

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-28 Thread Keith J. Schultz
Hi All, I have been following this thread with some amusement. There is no real optimal answer to this question short of developing a dedicated pdfviewer for ConTeXt. But, is this the best use of our resources. Furthermore, how about a dedicated editor? ;-)) (just joking, but I am sure somebody

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-28 Thread Hans Hagen
On 6/28/2013 1:46 AM, Sietse Brouwer wrote: I'll repeat what I said, though: the PDF reader that is (a) most likely to be installed, and (b) is most logical / least surprising to the user, is: the user's own default PDF viewer. Adobe Reader may be clunky for this purpose, but IMO the user's

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-28 Thread Keith J. Schultz
Hi All, I would agree that the users default should be respected. I will have to contradict my last post them. My suggestion them is to use a system variable such as ConTeXtViewer. This variable would contain the program to be called. If it is not set or empty context simply finishes up what

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-28 Thread Hans Hagen
On 6/28/2013 10:56 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: Hi All, I would agree that the users default should be respected. I will have to contradict my last post them. My suggestion them is to use a system variable such as ConTeXtViewer. This variable would contain the program to be called. If it is

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-28 Thread Keith J. Schultz
Hi Hans, I meant a OS system variable. But that actually does not matter. The default action would be changed to not call a browser! I agree that nobody should be forced to use autopdf. Yet, as I understand the discussion there seems to be a need to add some generality to the method.

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-27 Thread luigi scarso
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Bill Meahan subscribed_li...@meahan.netwrote: On 6/26/2013 6:24 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: [snip]. If there is one thing I have learned in developing software since 1965 (not a typo), it is to never depend on *any

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-27 Thread luigi scarso
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:21 AM, hwit...@gmail.com wrote: I likewise find the Sumatr pdf viewer better. Besides the benefits already mentioned, it also has the proper quality of being non-intrusive. Adobe readers are quite happy to bloat your memory and take control or otherwise intrude on

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-27 Thread Hans Hagen
On 6/27/2013 9:35 AM, luigi scarso wrote: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:21 AM, hwit...@gmail.com mailto:hwit...@gmail.com wrote: I likewise find the Sumatr pdf viewer better. Besides the benefits already mentioned, it also has the proper quality of being non-intrusive. Adobe

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-27 Thread Sietse Brouwer
Instead of choosing our own default PDF viewer, we should probably invoke the user's default PDF viewer. Every OS has a command-line program to open a file with the system default program: On OS X: open myfile.pdf On Windows: start myfile.pdf On Linux, there separate programmes for KDE, new

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-27 Thread Mica Semrick
On Linux, there separate programmes for KDE, new gnome and old gnome, and desktop-agnostic: kde-open myfile.pdf || gvfs-open myfile.pdf || gnome-open myfile.pdf || xdg-open myfile.pdf On my linux mint/debian boxes, xdg-open works fine across MATE, XFCE, and KDE. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 8:15

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-27 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013, Sietse Brouwer wrote: Instead of choosing our own default PDF viewer, we should probably invoke the user's default PDF viewer. Every OS has a command-line program to open a file with the system default program: On OS X: open myfile.pdf On Windows: start myfile.pdf On

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-27 Thread Hans Hagen
On 6/27/2013 5:15 PM, Sietse Brouwer wrote: Instead of choosing our own default PDF viewer, we should probably invoke the user's default PDF viewer. Every OS has a command-line program to open a file with the system default program: On OS X: open myfile.pdf On Windows: start myfile.pdf On

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-27 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
I am half joking here; don't go down this route. Why? Users can override defaults, but most don't (and most certainly not by writing additional code themselves, except for a tiny minority). Why shouldn't reasonable defaults be provided? Arthur

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-27 Thread Pavneet Arora
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Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-27 Thread luigi scarso
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Pavneet Arora pavneet_ar...@waroc.comwrote: Exactly what I was thinking: pavneet@darjiling:~$ more .mailcap application/pdf; evince %s I like evince because it also doesn't lock the PDF file, and auto-refreshes the view when updated. It also has/can have a

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-27 Thread Sietse Brouwer
A summary of things people have said in this thread. NB: everything is paraphrased, so blame me if anything seems overly terse in tone. Bill doesn't have or want SumatraPDF Hans made SumatraPDF the default because it has lots of nice properties that Acrobat doesn't have Luigi thinks maybe

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-27 Thread Gareth Jones
I'll repeat what I said, though: the PDF reader that is (a) most likely to be installed, and (b) is most logical / least surprising to the user, is: the user's own default PDF viewer. For what it’s worth, as an end user, I agree.

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-27 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
Unfortunately my version of evince doesn't always print correctly a pdf made by context mkiv \starttext $3v$ \par $3\omega$ \stoptext When I do print-preview, the math is not shown, and nothing is printed. As has already been mentioned, this could simply be a font issue, or a

[NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-26 Thread Bill Meahan
How does one override the default pdf viewer for MKIV Standalone on Windows 7-64 so --autopdf starts Acrobat Reader instead of sumatrapdf.exe? I don't have sumatra and do not wish to install it just to satisfy this one application. WTH is it anyway? (I know what it is, it's a rhetorical

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-26 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Bill Meahan subscribed_li...@meahan.netwrote: How does one override the default pdf viewer for MKIV Standalone on Windows 7-64 so --autopdf starts Acrobat Reader instead of sumatrapdf.exe? I don't have sumatra and do not wish to install it just to satisfy

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-26 Thread Bill Meahan
On 6/26/2013 10:20 AM, luigi scarso wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Bill Meahan subscribed_li...@meahan.net mailto:subscribed_li...@meahan.net wrote: How does one override the default pdf viewer for MKIV Standalone on Windows 7-64 so --autopdf starts Acrobat Reader instead

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-26 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Bill Meahan subscribed_li...@meahan.netwrote: On 6/26/2013 10:20 AM, luigi scarso wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Bill Meahan subscribed_li...@meahan.netwrote: How does one override the default pdf viewer for MKIV Standalone on Windows 7-64 so

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-26 Thread Hans Hagen
On 6/26/2013 6:11 PM, luigi scarso wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Bill Meahan I don't have sumatra and do not wish to install it just to satisfy this one application. WTH is it anyway? (I know what it is, it's a rhetorical question). Making some obscure pdf

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-26 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: while sumatrapdf - is pretty fast - has matured quite well - remembers the current page - renders quite ok - even supports some basic interactivity - (has an ugly yellow pop up windows but those can nowadays be recolored)

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-26 Thread Siep Kroonenberg
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:22:23PM +0200, luigi scarso wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: while sumatrapdf - is pretty fast - has matured quite well - remembers the current page - renders quite ok - even supports some basic interactivity -

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-26 Thread Philipp Gesang
Hi Luigi! ···date: 2013-06-26, Wednesday···from: luigi scarso··· On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: while sumatrapdf - is pretty fast - has matured quite well - remembers the current page - renders quite ok - even supports some basic interactivity

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-26 Thread Hans Hagen
On 6/26/2013 10:50 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote: Hi Luigi! ···date: 2013-06-26, Wednesday···from: luigi scarso··· On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: while sumatrapdf - is pretty fast - has matured quite well - remembers the current page - renders quite ok - even

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-26 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Siep Kroonenberg si...@cybercomm.nlwrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:22:23PM +0200, luigi scarso wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: while sumatrapdf - is pretty fast - has matured quite well - remembers

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-26 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 6/26/2013 10:50 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote: Hi Luigi! ···date: 2013-06-26, Wednesday···from: luigi scarso··· On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: while sumatrapdf - is pretty fast - has

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-26 Thread Bill Meahan
On 6/26/2013 3:29 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: [snip]... - on none of my window boxes acrobat was preinstalled - there is no robust way to start acrobat - pdfopen has to be adapted to major updates of acrobat - there is (at least on my machine) a potential clash between

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-26 Thread Philipp Gesang
···date: 2013-06-26, Wednesday···from: Hans Hagen··· On 6/26/2013 10:50 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote: Hi Luigi! ···date: 2013-06-26, Wednesday···from: luigi scarso··· On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: while sumatrapdf - is pretty fast - has matured

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-26 Thread Hans Hagen
On 6/26/2013 11:27 PM, Bill Meahan wrote: That was my original question: how do I change the default without hand-editing a file in the base distribution? That's not only bad practice, it's liable to get overwritten on the next update. as mentioned in an earlier mail ... you can set it in a

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-26 Thread Bill Meahan
On 6/26/2013 6:24 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: [snip]. If there is one thing I have learned in developing software since 1965 (not a typo), it is to never depend on /any /third-party application being present. If it is not part of the base system

Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview

2013-06-26 Thread hwitloc
I likewise find the Sumatr pdf viewer better. Besides the benefits already mentioned, it also has the proper quality of being non-intrusive. Adobe readers are quite happy to bloat your memory and take control or otherwise intrude on your system's normal operations. I don't use Adobe's