Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing
Hello Julian! Thank you for your hints. On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 at 11:48, jbf wrote: > 1. One factor will be whether you are using \definefontfeature > [default][default] [expansion=quality,protrusion=quality], which you > obviously then need to call in with \setupalign. > https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupalign > This doesn't influence the dimension of space. Well, it does, but it is a side effect of alignment and line breaking algorithm. One cannot change the space to a particular value/factor. 2. Another factor will be \setupspacing > https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupspacing > This would work if the parameter could be *dimension* (\setupspacing[5pt]), but it cannot. > 3. A third factor might be the need to tweak things a bit once you take a > look at what is produced, and where you might need to use a couple of other > options, be it \, \nospace, \thinspace > If one will finetune every space in the paragraph, this could be a way, but it's far from a nice solution. \setuplanguage[en][spacing=packed]. > > This latter especially because I want to avoid some rather ugly spaces > after a period. > Which is an equivalent of \frenchspacing primitive (only regular space after period). In most languages spacing=packed is likely the default setting. Not at all sure if all the above is what the purists would do, but from a > practical point of view it works for me. > Purists wouldn't change kerning at all, because the font designer knows best, what kerning should be used. Anyway, once the graphic designer starts changing leterspacing (kerning), the space correction is sometimes needed, too. ConTeXt changes the space proportionally to \setupcharacterkerning, which is fine in most cases. For this use case (short text in one font) primitive \spaceskip3.2pt will do the job (ragged text thus no glue). I was searching for the more abstract solution like \setupspacing[factor=1.05], because once in a while the correction is needed. Or font goodies could be the way to change spacing. Regards, Jano ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing
Hi Jano,
Seems to me that there are a few options and you might need more than
one of them, depending on the font/typefaces you are using (which
obviously influences things):
1. One factor will be whether you are using \definefontfeature
[default][default] [expansion=quality,protrusion=quality], which you
obviously then need to call in with \setupalign.
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupalign
2. Another factor will be \setupspacing
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupspacing
3. A third factor might be the need to tweak things a bit once you take
a look at what is produced, and where you might need to use a couple of
other options, be it \, \nospace, \thinspace
For example, I have found that for a particular project I am working on
at the moment, my best setup does not include protrusion, but I use
\setupalign
[hz,nothyphenated,verytolerant,stretched], and
\setuplanguage[en][spacing=packed].
This latter especially because I want to avoid some rather ugly spaces
after a period. Then once I see how things look, I apply
{\kerncharacters[-0.025] my text} in particular instances where things
need to be tidied up. I have found that -0.025 works well in my situation.
Not at all sure if all the above is what the purists would do, but from
a practical point of view it works for me. Hope it helps.
Julian
On 21/10/20 1:12 am, Jano Kula wrote:
Hello,
trying to reproduce the hand-printed original as close as possible I'm
using \setupcharacterkerning. I can match character kerning, but
inter-word spaces are different. What is the right option, command or
feature to change it for current font and/or in the font definition? I
haven't found any.
MWE
% macros=mkiv
\setupcharacterkerning[large][factor=0.1]
\setcharacterkerning[large]
\starttext
\input knuth
\stoptext
Thank you,
Jano
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[NTG-context] inter-word spacing
Hello, trying to reproduce the hand-printed original as close as possible I'm using \setupcharacterkerning. I can match character kerning, but inter-word spaces are different. What is the right option, command or feature to change it for current font and/or in the font definition? I haven't found any. MWE % macros=mkiv \setupcharacterkerning[large][factor=0.1] \setcharacterkerning[large] \starttext \input knuth \stoptext Thank you, Jano ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
Thanks, Hans. I simplified the test file.
\mainlanguage[en]
\unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
\starttext
A. E. Samuels.
A.\ E.\ Samuels.
\stoptext
Do you see the required difference at your end? On my screen, the
two lines look exactly the same (regardless of the length of the
paragraphs).
Alan
On Aug 3, 2008, at 16;45,43 , Hans Hagen wrote:
Alan Bowen wrote:
Thanks, Hans. In my test file I now have
\mainlanguage[en]
\unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
\starttext
x. x, x x\crlf
x, x. x x\crlf
x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf
x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf
X. X, X X\crlf
X, X. X X\crlf
X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf
X.\ X,\ X\ X
\stoptext
Unfortunately, I do not see any effect in the output (under MKII).
The
space after a period looks the same as the space after “.\ ”,
though it
should be bigger.
use \break instead, \crlf does a \hfill since there is no need for
stretch when using crlf
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Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
Alan Bowen wrote:
Thanks, Hans. I simplified the test file.
\mainlanguage[en]
\unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
\starttext
A. E. Samuels.
A.\ E.\ Samuels.
\stoptext
Do you see the required difference at your end? On my screen, the
two lines look exactly the same (regardless of the length of the
paragraphs).
sure, a space is a space, instead use:
A.|~|E.|~|Samuels.
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Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
That’s got it, Hans! I have replaced all my old “.\ ” with “.|~|”. My
pages look much better now. Many thanks indeed.
All best, Alan
On Aug 4, 2008, at 10;23,22 , Hans Hagen wrote:
Alan Bowen wrote:
Thanks, Hans. I simplified the test file.
\mainlanguage[en]
\unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
\starttext
A. E. Samuels.
A.\ E.\ Samuels.
\stoptext
Do you see the required difference at your end? On my screen, the
two lines look exactly the same (regardless of the length of the
paragraphs).
sure, a space is a space, instead use:
A.|~|E.|~|Samuels.
-
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Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
Alan Bowen wrote:
I apologize to all, but circumstances oblige me to pick up a very
pedestrian thread for the third time.
As Peter Münster noted: in the following test-file
\starttext
x. x, x x\crlf
x, x. x x\crlf
x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf
x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf
X. X, X X\crlf
X, X. X X\crlf
X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf
X.\ X,\ X\ X
\stoptext
you see 2 bugs:
- in MKIV there is no bigger space after x.
- in MKII the space after x.\ is a big one
The problem remains in ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.31 16:30 for MKII (which
I am using). I am do not know if here have been any changes in MKIV.
Is there a fix for this in the works? I am about to publish a series
of pages which will look vastly better if this is fixed.
\unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
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Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
Many thanks, Charles. This does work and I will use it if push comes
to shove, as we say.
Alan
On Aug 2, 2008, at 22;46,00 , Charles P. Schaum wrote:
Alan,
If you wand quick and dirty because you are against a hard deadline,
use
inline math mode and insert negative space $\!$ AFTER the x. and
IMMEDIATELY BEFORE the next bit. You could also define a macro
\negspace
to do it as well:
\def\negspace{$\!$}
so that
x, x. \negspace x x
will yield the spacing that
x, x.\ x x
ought to. It's an UGLY hack, but you'd be surprised at how ugly I
hacked
my own thesis in LaTeX to get it converted to Word and get it in on
time. The very memory is traumatic.
Charles
On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 18:57 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
I apologize to all, but circumstances oblige me to pick up a very
pedestrian thread for the third time.
As Peter Münster noted: in the following test-file
\starttext
x. x, x x\crlf
x, x. x x\crlf
x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf
x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf
X. X, X X\crlf
X, X. X X\crlf
X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf
X.\ X,\ X\ X
\stoptext
you see 2 bugs:
- in MKIV there is no bigger space after x.
- in MKII the space after x.\ is a big one
The problem remains in ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.31 16:30 for MKII (which
I am using). I am do not know if here have been any changes in MKIV.
Is there a fix for this in the works? I am about to publish a series
of pages which will look vastly better if this is fixed.
Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
Thanks, Hans. In my test file I now have
\mainlanguage[en]
\unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
\starttext
x. x, x x\crlf
x, x. x x\crlf
x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf
x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf
X. X, X X\crlf
X, X. X X\crlf
X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf
X.\ X,\ X\ X
\stoptext
Unfortunately, I do not see any effect in the output (under MKII).
The space after a period looks the same as the space after “.\ ”,
though it should be bigger.
Alan
On Aug 3, 2008, at 12;05,30 , Hans Hagen wrote:
Alan Bowen wrote:
I apologize to all, but circumstances oblige me to pick up a very
pedestrian thread for the third time.
As Peter Münster noted: in the following test-file
\starttext
x. x, x x\crlf
x, x. x x\crlf
x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf
x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf
X. X, X X\crlf
X, X. X X\crlf
X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf
X.\ X,\ X\ X
\stoptext
you see 2 bugs:
- in MKIV there is no bigger space after x.
- in MKII the space after x.\ is a big one
The problem remains in ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.31 16:30 for MKII (which
I am using). I am do not know if here have been any changes in MKIV.
Is there a fix for this in the works? I am about to publish a series
of pages which will look vastly better if this is fixed.
\unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
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Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
Alan Bowen wrote:
Thanks, Hans. In my test file I now have
\mainlanguage[en]
\unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
\starttext
x. x, x x\crlf
x, x. x x\crlf
x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf
x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf
X. X, X X\crlf
X, X. X X\crlf
X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf
X.\ X,\ X\ X
\stoptext
Unfortunately, I do not see any effect in the output (under MKII). The
space after a period looks the same as the space after “.\ ”, though it
should be bigger.
use \break instead, \crlf does a \hfill since there is no need for
stretch when using crlf
-
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[NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
I apologize to all, but circumstances oblige me to pick up a very pedestrian thread for the third time. As Peter Münster noted: in the following test-file \starttext x. x, x x\crlf x, x. x x\crlf x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf X. X, X X\crlf X, X. X X\crlf X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf X.\ X,\ X\ X \stoptext you see 2 bugs: - in MKIV there is no bigger space after x. - in MKII the space after x.\ is a big one The problem remains in ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.31 16:30 for MKII (which I am using). I am do not know if here have been any changes in MKIV. Is there a fix for this in the works? I am about to publish a series of pages which will look vastly better if this is fixed. Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
Alan,
If you wand quick and dirty because you are against a hard deadline, use
inline math mode and insert negative space $\!$ AFTER the x. and
IMMEDIATELY BEFORE the next bit. You could also define a macro \negspace
to do it as well:
\def\negspace{$\!$}
so that
x, x. \negspace x x
will yield the spacing that
x, x.\ x x
ought to. It's an UGLY hack, but you'd be surprised at how ugly I hacked
my own thesis in LaTeX to get it converted to Word and get it in on
time. The very memory is traumatic.
Charles
On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 18:57 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
I apologize to all, but circumstances oblige me to pick up a very
pedestrian thread for the third time.
As Peter Münster noted: in the following test-file
\starttext
x. x, x x\crlf
x, x. x x\crlf
x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf
x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf
X. X, X X\crlf
X, X. X X\crlf
X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf
X.\ X,\ X\ X
\stoptext
you see 2 bugs:
- in MKIV there is no bigger space after x.
- in MKII the space after x.\ is a big one
The problem remains in ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.31 16:30 for MKII (which
I am using). I am do not know if here have been any changes in MKIV.
Is there a fix for this in the works? I am about to publish a series
of pages which will look vastly better if this is fixed.
Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:53 PM, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:01:17 +0200, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
2008/7/17 David [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:46:21 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
Thanks, David. I tried
\starttext
A. E. Samuel\crlf
A.\ E.\ Samuel\crlf
A.~E.~Samuel
\stoptext
and can see no difference (ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.14 18:07 MKII). The
tilde is not really a good way for me to go. The problem is that I
publish a journal in which the bibliography is punctuated mainly by
. Introducing tildes (which make spaces non-breaking) would affect
the line-breaking negatively.
Oh - sorry about that.
What happens if you use your preferred way, but add the command
\fixedspaces somewhere previously in the document?
I've discovered that this command is now required to get either the \ .
or the ~. to have any effect for me. The problem is, I don't know how
to turn it off afterwards. :-)
You can't, there is no command to reset it but this should do it.
\def\variablespaces
{\letcatcodecommand \ctxcatcodes `\~ \nonbreakablespace}
Thanks Wolfgang. I prefer to have this behaviour available all the
time, and I don't understand why anyone would want it turned off - just
wanted to apologize for giving incomplete information.
(Any idea why \fixedspaces has been changed from default to optional?)
What do you mean with this, enabling \fixedspaces by default would
be a stupid decision because ~ would now insert only a space with
the width of 0 and not the width from a normal space.
Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
My original query has generated some interesting sidelines but no
solution, at least none that I can see. So, with all due apologies, I
shall presume on your patience by restating my query.
In (English) typography the spacing after a period within a sentence
is less that that after a period at the end of a sentence. Since the
days of Plain TeX, one achieved the proper spacing after an intra-
sentence period by entering “.\space”. My problem is that this no
longer seems to work with recent versions of ConTeXt/MKII: “.\space”
does not seem to have any effect at all.
So, how are we now to get the proper spacing after an intra-sentence
period? Are there some language/spacing commands that need to be
invoked in the prelims now?
Sample text:
\starttext
A. E. Samuels and other scholars. The community of time{-}keepers.
A.\ E.\ Samuels and other scholars. The community of time{-}keepers.
\stoptext
Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
Alan Bowen schrieb:
My original query has generated some interesting sidelines but no
solution, at least none that I can see. So, with all due apologies, I
shall presume on your patience by restating my query.
In (English) typography the spacing after a period within a sentence
is less that that after a period at the end of a sentence. Since the
days of Plain TeX, one achieved the proper spacing after an intra-
sentence period by entering “.\space”. My problem is that this no
longer seems to work with recent versions of ConTeXt/MKII: “.\space”
does not seem to have any effect at all.
are you sure of that?
a citation from The TeXbook, chapter 12: Glue
Another way to get TeX to put out a normal space is to type '\ '
(control space); e.g., 'Mr.\ Drofnats' would be almost the same as
'Mr.~Drofnats', exept that a line might end after the 'Mr.'.
also: you don't need a control space here
from the exercise 12.5:
TeX doesn't consider a period or question mark or exclamation point to
be the end of a sentence if the preceding character is an uppercase
letter, since TeX assumes that such uppercase letters are most likely
somebody's initials'.
what you want is just a smaller skip. so how about a *local* use of
something like
\def\ {\thinspace}%
donno if this is possible (side effects) in your environment. maybe one
of the gurus can give an answer. anyhow, interesting stuff :)
best wishes, peter
So, how are we now to get the proper spacing after an intra-sentence
period? Are there some language/spacing commands that need to be
invoked in the prelims now?
Sample text:
\starttext
A. E. Samuels and other scholars. The community of time{-}keepers.
A.\ E.\ Samuels and other scholars. The community of time{-}keepers.
\stoptext
Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
On Fri, Jul 18 2008, Alan Bowen wrote: In (English) typography the spacing after a period within a sentence is less that that after a period at the end of a sentence. Since the days of Plain TeX, one achieved the proper spacing after an intra- sentence period by entering “.\space”. My problem is that this no longer seems to work with recent versions of ConTeXt/MKII: “.\space” does not seem to have any effect at all. There are 2 kinds of spaces: - inter-word space, that means a normal (strechable) space betweem words, examples: * word word * word, word * WORD. word * word.\ word * \mainlanguage[fr] word. word - bigger space after period in english text: * \mainlanguage[en] word. word And if you consider the following test-file: \starttext x. x, x x\crlf x, x. x x\crlf x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf X. X, X X\crlf X, X. X X\crlf X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf X.\ X,\ X\ X \stoptext you see 2 bugs: - in MKIV there is no bigger space after x. - in MKII the space after x.\ is a big one Tested with context source date: 2008.07.18 18:38. Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
Thanks, Peter. You are right about (Plain) TeX--I just got into the
habit of inserting them.
Defining my own macro to reproduce the control space is a possibility,
and I will do that IF the current behavior of “.\ ’ and the tilde in
MKII is not remedied. (I have not switched to MKIV yet, but wonder
what happens there.) The downside is that there is a good number of
documents that will require have to be encoded accordingly.
Cheers, Alan
On Jul 18, 2008, at 14;40,39 , Peter Rolf wrote:
Alan Bowen schrieb:
My original query has generated some interesting sidelines but no
solution, at least none that I can see. So, with all due apologies, I
shall presume on your patience by restating my query.
In (English) typography the spacing after a period within a sentence
is less that that after a period at the end of a sentence. Since the
days of Plain TeX, one achieved the proper spacing after an intra-
sentence period by entering “.\space”. My problem is that this no
longer seems to work with recent versions of ConTeXt/MKII: “.
\space”
does not seem to have any effect at all.
are you sure of that?
a citation from The TeXbook, chapter 12: Glue
Another way to get TeX to put out a normal space is to type '\ '
(control space); e.g., 'Mr.\ Drofnats' would be almost the same as
'Mr.~Drofnats', exept that a line might end after the 'Mr.'.
also: you don't need a control space here
from the exercise 12.5:
TeX doesn't consider a period or question mark or exclamation point
to
be the end of a sentence if the preceding character is an uppercase
letter, since TeX assumes that such uppercase letters are most likely
somebody's initials'.
what you want is just a smaller skip. so how about a *local* use of
something like
\def\ {\thinspace}%
donno if this is possible (side effects) in your environment. maybe
one
of the gurus can give an answer. anyhow, interesting stuff :)
best wishes, peter
So, how are we now to get the proper spacing after an intra-sentence
period? Are there some language/spacing commands that need to be
invoked in the prelims now?
Sample text:
\starttext
A. E. Samuels and other scholars. The community of time{-}keepers.
A.\ E.\ Samuels and other scholars. The community of time{-}keepers.
\stoptext
Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
Thanks, Peter. I was wondering about MKIV. (Switching is on my summer “to do” list.) Best, Alan On Jul 18, 2008, at 15;22,31 , Peter Münster wrote: On Fri, Jul 18 2008, Alan Bowen wrote: In (English) typography the spacing after a period within a sentence is less that that after a period at the end of a sentence. Since the days of Plain TeX, one achieved the proper spacing after an intra- sentence period by entering “.\space”. My problem is that this no longer seems to work with recent versions of ConTeXt/MKII: “. \space” does not seem to have any effect at all. There are 2 kinds of spaces: - inter-word space, that means a normal (strechable) space betweem words, examples: * word word * word, word * WORD. word * word.\ word * \mainlanguage[fr] word. word - bigger space after period in english text: * \mainlanguage[en] word. word And if you consider the following test-file: \starttext x. x, x x\crlf x, x. x x\crlf x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf X. X, X X\crlf X, X. X X\crlf X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf X.\ X,\ X\ X \stoptext you see 2 bugs: - in MKIV there is no bigger space after x. - in MKII the space after x.\ is a big one Tested with context source date: 2008.07.18 18:38. Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
Thanks, David. I tried \starttext A. E. Samuel\crlf A.\ E.\ Samuel\crlf A.~E.~Samuel \stoptext and can see no difference (ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.14 18:07 MKII). The tilde is not really a good way for me to go. The problem is that I publish a journal in which the bibliography is punctuated mainly by “.” Introducing tildes (which make spaces non-breaking) would affect the line-breaking negatively. Alan On Jul 16, 2008, at 22;27,59 , David wrote: On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:30:19 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote: I have the latest ConTeXt and am using mkii. One used to be able to reduce the spacing after an initial by by typing “.\space”, but this no longer seems to work. Compare the inter-word spacing in \starttext A. E. Samuel\crlf A.\ E.\ Samuel \stoptext If the is a difference here, I am having trouble seeing it; and on a typeset page, the gaps after the initials just seem too big. In general, I find that the spacing after certain characters ---e.g., “)”---has been increased of late. Is this in fact the case? Or should I go back to my old glasses? Have you tried: \starttext A. E. Samuel\crlf A.~E.~Samuel \stoptext ? Last time I tried, this one worked for me. David ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Alan Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the latest ConTeXt and am using mkii. One used to be able to reduce the spacing after an initial by by typing .\space, but this no longer seems to work. Compare the inter-word spacing in \starttext A. E. Samuel\crlf A.\ E.\ Samuel \stoptext If the is a difference here, I am having trouble seeing it; and on a typeset page, the gaps after the initials just seem too big. In general, I find that the spacing after certain characters ---e.g., )---has been increased of late. Is this in fact the case? Or should I go back to my old glasses? AFAIK the '\ ' after the dot should prevent to stretch the space. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
That is my understanding too, Wolfgang. But I am just not seeing it either in the example or in my documents. So what’s up? As I said in a more recent posting, this is affecting my journal adversely. Alan On Jul 17, 2008, at 07;56,25 , Wolfgang Schuster wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Alan Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the latest ConTeXt and am using mkii. One used to be able to reduce the spacing after an initial by by typing .\space, but this no longer seems to work. Compare the inter-word spacing in \starttext A. E. Samuel\crlf A.\ E.\ Samuel \stoptext If the is a difference here, I am having trouble seeing it; and on a typeset page, the gaps after the initials just seem too big. In general, I find that the spacing after certain characters ---e.g., )---has been increased of late. Is this in fact the case? Or should I go back to my old glasses? AFAIK the '\ ' after the dot should prevent to stretch the space. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:46:21 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote: Thanks, David. I tried \starttext A. E. Samuel\crlf A.\ E.\ Samuel\crlf A.~E.~Samuel \stoptext and can see no difference (ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.14 18:07 MKII). The tilde is not really a good way for me to go. The problem is that I publish a journal in which the bibliography is punctuated mainly by “.” Introducing tildes (which make spaces non-breaking) would affect the line-breaking negatively. Oh - sorry about that. What happens if you use your preferred way, but add the command \fixedspaces somewhere previously in the document? I've discovered that this command is now required to get either the \ . or the ~. to have any effect for me. The problem is, I don't know how to turn it off afterwards. :-) David ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
2008/7/17 David [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:46:21 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
Thanks, David. I tried
\starttext
A. E. Samuel\crlf
A.\ E.\ Samuel\crlf
A.~E.~Samuel
\stoptext
and can see no difference (ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.14 18:07 MKII). The
tilde is not really a good way for me to go. The problem is that I
publish a journal in which the bibliography is punctuated mainly by
. Introducing tildes (which make spaces non-breaking) would affect
the line-breaking negatively.
Oh - sorry about that.
What happens if you use your preferred way, but add the command
\fixedspaces somewhere previously in the document?
I've discovered that this command is now required to get either the \ .
or the ~. to have any effect for me. The problem is, I don't know how
to turn it off afterwards. :-)
You can't, there is no command to reset it but this should do it.
\def\variablespaces
{\letcatcodecommand \ctxcatcodes `\~ \nonbreakablespace}
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
Thanks, David. I had not realized that there was a command \fixedspaces. Is it documented somewhere? The sample file \starttext \fixedspaces A. E. Samuel\crlf A.\ E.\ Samuel\crlf A.~E.~Samuel \stoptext still produces the same spacing for “A. E. Samuel” and “A.\ E.\ Samuel”. The spacing in “A.~E.~Samuel” is visibly larger. We seem to have lost a very fundamental TeX feature here—and gained others of questionable value such as the increased spacing after “)”. Is there a way for a user to (re)define or customize such spacing issues? Alan On Jul 17, 2008, at 09;46,18 , David wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:46:21 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote: Thanks, David. I tried \starttext A. E. Samuel\crlf A.\ E.\ Samuel\crlf A.~E.~Samuel \stoptext and can see no difference (ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.14 18:07 MKII). The tilde is not really a good way for me to go. The problem is that I publish a journal in which the bibliography is punctuated mainly by “.” Introducing tildes (which make spaces non-breaking) would affect the line-breaking negatively. Oh - sorry about that. What happens if you use your preferred way, but add the command \fixedspaces somewhere previously in the document? I've discovered that this command is now required to get either the \ . or the ~. to have any effect for me. The problem is, I don't know how to turn it off afterwards. :-) David ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:01:17 +0200, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
2008/7/17 David [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:46:21 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
Thanks, David. I tried
\starttext
A. E. Samuel\crlf
A.\ E.\ Samuel\crlf
A.~E.~Samuel
\stoptext
and can see no difference (ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.14 18:07 MKII). The
tilde is not really a good way for me to go. The problem is that I
publish a journal in which the bibliography is punctuated mainly by
. Introducing tildes (which make spaces non-breaking) would affect
the line-breaking negatively.
Oh - sorry about that.
What happens if you use your preferred way, but add the command
\fixedspaces somewhere previously in the document?
I've discovered that this command is now required to get either the \ .
or the ~. to have any effect for me. The problem is, I don't know how
to turn it off afterwards. :-)
You can't, there is no command to reset it but this should do it.
\def\variablespaces
{\letcatcodecommand \ctxcatcodes `\~ \nonbreakablespace}
Thanks Wolfgang. I prefer to have this behaviour available all the
time, and I don't understand why anyone would want it turned off - just
wanted to apologize for giving incomplete information.
(Any idea why \fixedspaces has been changed from default to optional?)
Thanks
David
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Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:13:15 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote: Thanks, David. I had not realized that there was a command \fixedspaces. Is it documented somewhere? It's in cont-eni on page 72. However, I have not needed the command until recently - I have used the tilde to create narrower spaces many times without using \fixedspaces in my old files, but lately it seems this step has become necessary (again?). I don't know when the change took place. David ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:30:19 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote: I have the latest ConTeXt and am using mkii. One used to be able to reduce the spacing after an initial by by typing “.\space”, but this no longer seems to work. Compare the inter-word spacing in \starttext A. E. Samuel\crlf A.\ E.\ Samuel \stoptext If the is a difference here, I am having trouble seeing it; and on a typeset page, the gaps after the initials just seem too big. In general, I find that the spacing after certain characters ---e.g., “)”---has been increased of late. Is this in fact the case? Or should I go back to my old glasses? Have you tried: \starttext A. E. Samuel\crlf A.~E.~Samuel \stoptext ? Last time I tried, this one worked for me. David ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
I have the latest ConTeXt and am using mkii. One used to be able to reduce the spacing after an initial by by typing “.\space”, but this no longer seems to work. Compare the inter-word spacing in \starttext A. E. Samuel\crlf A.\ E.\ Samuel \stoptext If the is a difference here, I am having trouble seeing it; and on a typeset page, the gaps after the initials just seem too big. In general, I find that the spacing after certain characters ---e.g., “)”---has been increased of late. Is this in fact the case? Or should I go back to my old glasses? Cheers, Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] inter-word spacing (initials)
I have the latest ConTeXt and am using mkii. One used to be able to reduce the spacing after an initial by by typing “.\space”, but this no longer seems to work. Compare the inter-word spacing in \starttext A. E. Samuel\crlf A.\ E.\ Samuel \stoptext If the is a difference here, I am having trouble seeing it; and on a typeset page, the gaps after the initials just seem too big. In general, I find that the spacing after certain characters ---e.g., “)”---has been increased of late. Is this in fact the case? Or should I go back to my old glasses? Cheers, Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
