Re: [NTG-context] long quotation problem
Alan Bowen wrote:
Peter, Willi, and Hans�
I have incorporated your suggestions for getting better looking long
quotations, and all is now working very well indeed. Many thanks to
you all.
Alan
PS For the record, here is what I have now�just in case someone down
the line runs into the same problem. A.
% Extracts or Long Quotations
//
In body text
\defineblank[extractdistance][3pt]
\definestartstop[extract][
before={ \blank[extractdistance,force]
\setupnarrower[left=1.5pc,right=1.5pc]
\startnarrower[left,right]
\noindent},
after={\stopnarrower
\blank[extractdistance,force]
\indenting[yes]}]
% In footnotes
\defineblank[footenoteextractdistance][2.7pt]
\definestartstop[fnextract][
before={ \blank[footenoteextractdistance,force]
\setupnarrower[left=1.5pc,right=1.5pc]
\startnarrower[left,right]
\noindent},
after={\stopnarrower
\blank[footenoteextractdistance,force]
\indenting[yes]}]
was this wiki'd?
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] long quotation problem
Hans—
I have not wiki-ed anything before, so this was a first try and I
think it worked. At least it shows up on my user page.
Best, Alan
On Nov 9, 2005, at 7:30 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
Alan Bowen wrote:
Peter, Willi, and Hans�
I have incorporated your suggestions for getting better looking
long quotations, and all is now working very well indeed. Many
thanks to you all.
Alan
PS For the record, here is what I have now�just in case someone
down the line runs into the same problem. A.
% Extracts or Long
Quotations//
In body text
\defineblank[extractdistance][3pt]
\definestartstop[extract][
before={ \blank[extractdistance,force]
\setupnarrower[left=1.5pc,right=1.5pc]
\startnarrower[left,right]
\noindent},
after={\stopnarrower
\blank[extractdistance,force]
\indenting[yes]}]
% In footnotes
\defineblank[footenoteextractdistance][2.7pt]
\definestartstop[fnextract][
before={ \blank[footenoteextractdistance,force]
\setupnarrower[left=1.5pc,right=1.5pc]
\startnarrower[left,right]
\noindent},
after={\stopnarrower
\blank[footenoteextractdistance,force]
\indenting[yes]}]
was this wiki'd?
Hans
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[NTG-context] long quotation problem
I have been adapting some of my old Plain TeX macros to ConTeXt,
using hints and suggestions from the ConTeXt wiki. What I have thus
far works exactly as desired in the body text, but fails in the
footnotes. I have appended some encoded text that shows the problem.
Note the poor line-spacing and (unwanted) indentation in the first
line of the quotation in the footnote: this quotation should look the
same as the one in the body text.
I realize that I could fix this simply by inserting a \noindent in
the footnote, for instance. But I am trying to reduce the amount of
thinking an coder has to do, and so would really like to define the
startextract..\stopextract environment more effectively.
Any pointers or suggestions for fixing this will be gratefully received.
Cheers, Alan
% Paragraph setup
\indenting[big,yes]
\setupwhitespace[medium]
\setupparagraphs[tolerance=verystrict]
%Footnote setup
\setupfootnotes[conversion=numbers,
way=bytext,location=page,rule=on,bodyfont=10.1pt,style=normal]
\setupfootnotes[indenting=yes]
\setupfootnotes[interaction=yes]
\setupnotedefinition[footnote][indenting={big,yes}]
% Extract setup
\definestartstop[extract][
before={\godown[0.10pc]
\indenting[next]
\setupnarrower[left=1.5pc,right=1.5pc]
\startnarrower[left,right]},
after={\stopnarrower
\godown[0.25pc]
\indenting[yes]}]
\starttext
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Morbi
commodo, ipsum sed pharetra gravida, orci magna rhoncus neque, id
pulvinar odio lorem non turpis. Nullam sit amet enim. Suspendisse id
velit vitae ligula volutpat condimentum. Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed
quis velit.
\startextract
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Morbi
commodo, ipsum sed pharetra gravida, orci magna rhoncus neque, id
pulvinar odio lorem non turpis.
Nullam sit amet enim. Suspendisse id velit vitae ligula volutpat
condimentum. Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed quis velit. Nulla facilisi.
Nulla libero. Vivamus pharetra posuere sapien.
\stopextract
\noindent Nam consectetuer. Sed aliquam, nunc eget euismod
ullamcorper, lectus nunc ullamcorper orci, fermentum bibendum enim
nibh eget ipsum. Donec porttitor ligula eu dolor. Maecenas vitae
nulla consequat libero cursus venenatis. Nam magna enim, accumsan eu,
blandit sed, blandit a, eros.%
\footnote{Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit.
Morbi commodo, ipsum sed pharetra gravida, orci magna rhoncus neque,
id pulvinar odio lorem non turpis. Nullam sit amet enim.%
\startextract
Suspendisse id velit vitae ligula volutpat condimentum. Aliquam erat
volutpat. Sed quis velit. Nulla facilisi. Nulla libero. Vivamus
pharetra posuere sapien.
Nam consectetuer. Sed aliquam, nunc eget euismod ullamcorper, lectus
nunc ullamcorper orci, fermentum bibendum enim nibh eget ipsum. Donec
porttitor ligula eu dolor.
\stopextract
\noindent Maecenas vitae nulla consequat libero cursus venenatis. Nam
magna enim, accumsan eu, blandit sed, blandit a, eros.}\ %
Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed quis velit. Nulla facilisi. Nulla libero.
Vivamus pharetra posuere sapien. Nam consectetuer. Sed aliquam, nunc
eget euismod ullamcorper, lectus nunc ullamcorper orci, fermentum
bibendum enim nibh eget ipsum. Donec porttitor ligula eu dolor.
Maecenas vitae nulla consequat libero cursus venenatis. Nam magna
enim, accumsan eu, blandit sed, blandit a, eros.
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] long quotation problem
Hi Alan,
please, *no* more latin examples. Since school I have an allergy against
it ;)
Alan Bowen wrote:
I have been adapting some of my old Plain TeX macros to ConTeXt, using
hints and suggestions from the ConTeXt wiki. What I have thus far works
exactly as desired in the body text, but fails in the footnotes. I have
appended some encoded text that shows the problem. Note the poor
line-spacing and (unwanted) indentation in the first line of the
quotation in the footnote: this quotation should look the same as the
one in the body text.
I realize that I could fix this simply by inserting a \noindent in the
footnote, for instance. But I am trying to reduce the amount of
thinking an coder has to do, and so would really like to define the
startextract..\stopextract environment more effectively.
Any pointers or suggestions for fixing this will be gratefully received.
Cheers, Alan
% Paragraph setup
\indenting[big,yes]
\setupwhitespace[medium]
\setupparagraphs[tolerance=verystrict]
%Footnote setup
\setupfootnotes[conversion=numbers,
way=bytext,location=page,rule=on,bodyfont=10.1pt,style=normal]
\setupfootnotes[indenting=yes]
\setupfootnotes[interaction=yes]
\setupnotedefinition[footnote][indenting={big,yes}]
% Extract setup
\definestartstop[extract][
before={\godown[0.10pc]
\blank[0.25pc,force] % 0.10pc is not enough
\indenting[next]
% delete this and insert a \noindent at the end
\setupnarrower[left=1.5pc,right=1.5pc]
\startnarrower[left,right]
\noindent},
after={\stopnarrower
\godown[0.25pc]
\blank[0.25pc,force]
\indenting[yes]}]
\noindent (and a global \indenting[yes])
You can remove the \noindent from your main text now.
Don't know, if this is exactly what you want, but it look nice.
Greetings,
Peter
\starttext
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Morbi
commodo, ipsum sed pharetra gravida, orci magna rhoncus neque, id
pulvinar odio lorem non turpis. Nullam sit amet enim. Suspendisse id
velit vitae ligula volutpat condimentum. Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed
quis velit.
\startextract
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Morbi
commodo, ipsum sed pharetra gravida, orci magna rhoncus neque, id
pulvinar odio lorem non turpis.
Nullam sit amet enim. Suspendisse id velit vitae ligula volutpat
condimentum. Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed quis velit. Nulla facilisi.
Nulla libero. Vivamus pharetra posuere sapien.
\stopextract
\noindent Nam consectetuer. Sed aliquam, nunc eget euismod ullamcorper,
lectus nunc ullamcorper orci, fermentum bibendum enim nibh eget ipsum.
Donec porttitor ligula eu dolor. Maecenas vitae nulla consequat libero
cursus venenatis. Nam magna enim, accumsan eu, blandit sed, blandit a,
eros.%
\footnote{Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit.
Morbi commodo, ipsum sed pharetra gravida, orci magna rhoncus neque, id
pulvinar odio lorem non turpis. Nullam sit amet enim.%
\startextract
Suspendisse id velit vitae ligula volutpat condimentum. Aliquam erat
volutpat. Sed quis velit. Nulla facilisi. Nulla libero. Vivamus
pharetra posuere sapien.
Nam consectetuer. Sed aliquam, nunc eget euismod ullamcorper, lectus
nunc ullamcorper orci, fermentum bibendum enim nibh eget ipsum. Donec
porttitor ligula eu dolor.
\stopextract
\noindent Maecenas vitae nulla consequat libero cursus venenatis. Nam
magna enim, accumsan eu, blandit sed, blandit a, eros.}\ %
Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed quis velit. Nulla facilisi. Nulla libero.
Vivamus pharetra posuere sapien. Nam consectetuer. Sed aliquam, nunc
eget euismod ullamcorper, lectus nunc ullamcorper orci, fermentum
bibendum enim nibh eget ipsum. Donec porttitor ligula eu dolor.
Maecenas vitae nulla consequat libero cursus venenatis. Nam magna enim,
accumsan eu, blandit sed, blandit a, eros.
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] long quotation problem
Hi Alan,
I tried your code. I made the extract to be typeset in red.- Indeed a
poor spacing.
I withdrew the \godown[0.10pc]. The result looked fine to me. Then I
replaced the \godown by \blank[halfline], the result was again o.k.
Finally the \godown[0.10pc] was replaced with \godown[12pt] and the
result looks o.k. to me. - So may be that there is a problem with your
unit pc.
Willi
Alan Bowen wrote:
I have been adapting some of my old Plain TeX macros to ConTeXt,
using hints and suggestions from the ConTeXt wiki. What I have thus
far works exactly as desired in the body text, but fails in the
footnotes. I have appended some encoded text that shows the problem.
Note the poor line-spacing and (unwanted) indentation in the first
line of the quotation in the footnote: this quotation should look the
same as the one in the body text.
I realize that I could fix this simply by inserting a \noindent in
the footnote, for instance. But I am trying to reduce the amount of
thinking an coder has to do, and so would really like to define the
startextract..\stopextract environment more effectively.
Any pointers or suggestions for fixing this will be gratefully received.
Cheers, Alan
% Paragraph setup
\indenting[big,yes]
\setupwhitespace[medium]
\setupparagraphs[tolerance=verystrict]
%Footnote setup
\setupfootnotes[conversion=numbers,
way=bytext,location=page,rule=on,bodyfont=10.1pt,style=normal]
\setupfootnotes[indenting=yes]
\setupfootnotes[interaction=yes]
\setupnotedefinition[footnote][indenting={big,yes}]
% Extract setup
\definestartstop[extract][
before={\godown[0.10pc]
\indenting[next]
\setupnarrower[left=1.5pc,right=1.5pc]
\startnarrower[left,right]},
after={\stopnarrower
\godown[0.25pc]
\indenting[yes]}]
\starttext
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Morbi
commodo, ipsum sed pharetra gravida, orci magna rhoncus neque, id
pulvinar odio lorem non turpis. Nullam sit amet enim. Suspendisse id
velit vitae ligula volutpat condimentum. Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed
quis velit.
\startextract
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Morbi
commodo, ipsum sed pharetra gravida, orci magna rhoncus neque, id
pulvinar odio lorem non turpis.
Nullam sit amet enim. Suspendisse id velit vitae ligula volutpat
condimentum. Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed quis velit. Nulla facilisi.
Nulla libero. Vivamus pharetra posuere sapien.
\stopextract
\noindent Nam consectetuer. Sed aliquam, nunc eget euismod
ullamcorper, lectus nunc ullamcorper orci, fermentum bibendum enim
nibh eget ipsum. Donec porttitor ligula eu dolor. Maecenas vitae
nulla consequat libero cursus venenatis. Nam magna enim, accumsan eu,
blandit sed, blandit a, eros.%
\footnote{Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit.
Morbi commodo, ipsum sed pharetra gravida, orci magna rhoncus neque,
id pulvinar odio lorem non turpis. Nullam sit amet enim.%
\startextract
Suspendisse id velit vitae ligula volutpat condimentum. Aliquam erat
volutpat. Sed quis velit. Nulla facilisi. Nulla libero. Vivamus
pharetra posuere sapien.
Nam consectetuer. Sed aliquam, nunc eget euismod ullamcorper, lectus
nunc ullamcorper orci, fermentum bibendum enim nibh eget ipsum. Donec
porttitor ligula eu dolor.
\stopextract
\noindent Maecenas vitae nulla consequat libero cursus venenatis. Nam
magna enim, accumsan eu, blandit sed, blandit a, eros.}\ %
Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed quis velit. Nulla facilisi. Nulla libero.
Vivamus pharetra posuere sapien. Nam consectetuer. Sed aliquam, nunc
eget euismod ullamcorper, lectus nunc ullamcorper orci, fermentum
bibendum enim nibh eget ipsum. Donec porttitor ligula eu dolor.
Maecenas vitae nulla consequat libero cursus venenatis. Nam magna
enim, accumsan eu, blandit sed, blandit a, eros.
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] long quotation problem
Alan Bowen wrote: I have been adapting some of my old Plain TeX macros to ConTeXt, using hints and suggestions from the ConTeXt wiki. What I have thus far works exactly as desired in the body text, but fails in the footnotes. I have appended some encoded text that shows the problem. Note the poor line-spacing and (unwanted) indentation in the first line of the quotation in the footnote: this quotation should look the same as the one in the body text. I realize that I could fix this simply by inserting a \noindent in the footnote, for instance. But I am trying to reduce the amount of thinking an coder has to do, and so would really like to define the startextract..\stopextract environment more effectively. don't use \godown, use \blank since it is more clever in accumulating cq. handling vertical spaces; also, \defineblank[footnotedistance][.1pc] and then using \blank[footnotedistance] makes the thing configurable (one can redefine the spacing outside the macro) Hans ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
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Willi Egger wrote: Hi Alan, I tried your code. I made the extract to be typeset in red.- Indeed a poor spacing. I withdrew the \godown[0.10pc]. The result looked fine to me. Then I replaced the \godown by \blank[halfline], the result was again o.k. Finally the \godown[0.10pc] was replaced with \godown[12pt] and the result looks o.k. to me. - So may be that there is a problem with your unit pc. indeed such small units start interfering with depth and interlinespacing Hans ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] long quotation problem
Hey, please don't take the famous lorem ipsum for Latin, or those knowing Latin will be offended... This is just random gibberish looking slightly Latin :-) Thomas On Oct 21, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Peter Rolf wrote: please, *no* more latin examples. ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] long quotation problem
Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: Hey, please don't take the famous lorem ipsum for Latin, or those knowing Latin will be offended... This is just random gibberish looking slightly Latin :-) Oeps. Now I know why I didn't get the Latinum :) Peter Thomas On Oct 21, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Peter Rolf wrote: please, *no* more latin examples. ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] long quotation problem
Among printers this Latinate gibberish (which was “taken” from Cicero) was known as “greeked text” or as “printers’ Greek”—which is really nonsense and yet another reason not to pay attention to it! Alan On Oct 21, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: Hey, please don't take the famous lorem ipsum for Latin, or those knowing Latin will be offended... This is just random gibberish looking slightly Latin :-) Thomas On Oct 21, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Peter Rolf wrote: please, *no* more latin examples. ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] long quotation problem
Peter, Willi, and Hans—
I have incorporated your suggestions for getting better looking long
quotations, and all is now working very well indeed. Many thanks to
you all.
Alan
PS For the record, here is what I have now—just in case someone down
the line runs into the same problem. A.
% Extracts or Long
Quotations//
In body text
\defineblank[extractdistance][3pt]
\definestartstop[extract][
before={ \blank[extractdistance,force]
\setupnarrower[left=1.5pc,right=1.5pc]
\startnarrower[left,right]
\noindent},
after={\stopnarrower
\blank[extractdistance,force]
\indenting[yes]}]
% In footnotes
\defineblank[footenoteextractdistance][2.7pt]
\definestartstop[fnextract][
before={ \blank[footenoteextractdistance,force]
\setupnarrower[left=1.5pc,right=1.5pc]
\startnarrower[left,right]
\noindent},
after={\stopnarrower
\blank[footenoteextractdistance,force]
\indenting[yes]}]
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