Re: [NTG-context] LuaJitTeX, \texenginename, and \texengineversion

2013-05-08 Thread Marco Patzer
On 2013–05–07 Kip Warner wrote:

 I find the \texenginename and \texengineversion useful for retrieving
 the backend name and version. They work fine when using the vanilla
 LuaTeX backend. However, when using LuaJitTeX, the aforementioned
 macros still seem to retrieve LuaTeX specific information and not
 LuaJitTeX - unless I'm doing something wrong.

This is by design, see

  http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.luatex/3000

Marco


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Re: [NTG-context] LuaJitTeX, \texenginename, and \texengineversion

2013-05-08 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Kip Warner k...@thevertigo.com wrote:

 Hey Luigi,

 I find the \texenginename and \texengineversion useful for retrieving
 the backend name and version. They work fine when using the vanilla
 LuaTeX backend. However, when using LuaJitTeX, the aforementioned
 macros still seem to retrieve LuaTeX specific information and not
 LuaJitTeX - unless I'm doing something wrong. I was careful to ensure I
 passed --engine=luajittex to context as well.

 --
 Kip Warner -- Software Engineer
 OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred
 http://www.thevertigo.com


yes, it's known and it's ok, because luajittex is not  different from
luatex as luatex is different from pdftex/xetex/etex
(and if it's so, then it is an error).
A quick check could be
\startluacode
if jit==nil then print(=This is not luajitTeX) else
print(=You are running luajitTeX ) end
\stopluacode
of course one can write a global
jit ={} also in luatex.
Another one used in the log is
\startluacode
print(===..string.lower(status.banner))
\stopluacode
and you can search for luajittex .

My wish is that luajittex should be  100% compatible with luatex, but
unfortunately there are  some differences between lua5.1 used by luajit2.0
and lua5.2
that makes this wish currently impossible to satisfied at engine level ---
ConTeXt is smart enough to manage these differences, but you can still
write
a  lua script that is  valid for lua5.2 but not for luajit2.0, see for
example
 http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2010-03/msg00237.html

Full compatibility between lua5.2 and luajit2.0, for what I see, is not on
the top on the Mike Pall's agenda.
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luigi
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Re: [NTG-context] LuaJitTeX, \texenginename, and \texengineversion

2013-05-08 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 9:32 AM, luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com wrote:




 yes, it's known and it's ok, because luajittex is not  different from
 luatex as luatex is different from pdftex/xetex/etex
 (and if it's so, then it is an error).

 (and if it's not so, then it is an error).

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Re: [NTG-context] LuaJitTeX, \texenginename, and \texengineversion

2013-05-08 Thread Hans Hagen

On 5/8/2013 9:29 AM, Marco Patzer wrote:

On 2013–05–07 Kip Warner wrote:


I find the \texenginename and \texengineversion useful for retrieving
the backend name and version. They work fine when using the vanilla
LuaTeX backend. However, when using LuaJitTeX, the aforementioned
macros still seem to retrieve LuaTeX specific information and not
LuaJitTeX - unless I'm doing something wrong.


This is by design, see

   http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.luatex/3000

Marco


For context, the most we benefit from luajittex is the lua vm speed and 
not jitting. If you need to check for luatex vs luajittex then you're 
doing things that are dependent on specific luajit features (like ffi) 
and that's non-portable (platforms as well as the future).


Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] LuaJitTeX, \texenginename, and \texengineversion

2013-05-08 Thread Kip Warner
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 09:32 +0200, luigi scarso wrote:
 On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Kip Warner k...@thevertigo.com wrote:
 
  Hey Luigi,
 
  I find the \texenginename and \texengineversion useful for retrieving
  the backend name and version. They work fine when using the vanilla
  LuaTeX backend. However, when using LuaJitTeX, the aforementioned
  macros still seem to retrieve LuaTeX specific information and not
  LuaJitTeX - unless I'm doing something wrong. I was careful to ensure I
  passed --engine=luajittex to context as well.
 
  --
  Kip Warner -- Software Engineer
  OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred
  http://www.thevertigo.com
 
 
 yes, it's known and it's ok, because luajittex is not  different from
 luatex as luatex is different from pdftex/xetex/etex
 (and if it's so, then it is an error).
 A quick check could be
 \startluacode
 if jit==nil then print(=This is not luajitTeX) else
 print(=You are running luajitTeX ) end
 \stopluacode
 of course one can write a global
 jit ={} also in luatex.
 Another one used in the log is
 \startluacode
 print(===..string.lower(status.banner))
 \stopluacode
 and you can search for luajittex .
 
 My wish is that luajittex should be  100% compatible with luatex, but
 unfortunately there are  some differences between lua5.1 used by luajit2.0
 and lua5.2
 that makes this wish currently impossible to satisfied at engine level ---
 ConTeXt is smart enough to manage these differences, but you can still
 write
 a  lua script that is  valid for lua5.2 but not for luajit2.0, see for
 example
  http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2010-03/msg00237.html
 
 Full compatibility between lua5.2 and luajit2.0, for what I see, is not on
 the top on the Mike Pall's agenda.

Thanks Luigi. That was pretty comprehensive.

For my purposes, it makes no different to me whether I am using luatex
or luajittex. However, in my document's front matter I like to have
general information about the tools used to typeset the document, and
for that reason I thought it would be nice if there was a simple and
elegant way to show which backend was used.

-- 
Kip Warner -- Software Engineer
OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred
http://www.thevertigo.com


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