Re[4]: [NTG-context] Displayed material, again
At 06:04 PM 3/11/2003 +0100, you wrote:
HH \def\synchronizeindentation
HH{%
HH \doifvalue{\??dd#1\c!springvolgendein}\v!nee\noindentation
HH \doifvalue{\??dd#1\c!springvolgendein}\v!auto\noindent}
HH}%
HH
HH saves keying and also provides a hook
Right :) I expect to see it in the core for the next release! ;)
Ha, i found out that i already had a \checknextindentation in my cont-loc
(for different purposes -)
anyhow, i'll provide you the hook
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Re[3]: [NTG-context] Displayed material, again
At 12:47 PM 3/11/2003 +0100, you wrote: === BEGIN PATCH === \startvariables all auto: auto \stopvariables ok, added, does not hurt to have that key (althougj in this case 'display' i smore adequate \def\@@stopdefinitie#1% \def\stopitemgroup \def\dostopformula \def\dostoptyping#1% simple test replaced by \(do)checknextindentation CORE-ITM.TEX: CORE-MAT.TEX: CORE-MIS.TEX: CORE-SEC.TEX: CORE-SPA.TEX: CORE-VER.TEX: PAGE-ONE.TEX: PAGE-SET.TEX: before that). Hans, can we hope for this to go into the core for the next beta? i'll upload a beta for you to test Note: while I think it should be done for quotations as well, this seems to be a feature in development so I won't touch it for now. added anyway also, auto invokes \autoindentation, so for the moment you have to hook you rown code in there (\relax by default) [later i will look into a proper display something; needs to work ok with the nex par hooks in cont-new] happy indenting Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com - information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf - ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re[4]: [NTG-context] Displayed material, again
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 Hans Hagen wrote: HH At 12:47 PM 3/11/2003 +0100, you wrote: === BEGIN PATCH === \startvariables all auto: auto \stopvariables HH ok, added, does not hurt to have that key (althougj in this case 'display' HH i smore adequate I don't think so. The material is displayed anyway. The key value should simply make a different from yes/no (i.e. decide automatically), it doesn't change the logical nature of the block ... but anyway :) HH i'll upload a beta for you to test Thanks :) -- Giuseppe Oblomov Bilotta ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re[5]: [NTG-context] Displayed material, again
At 10:36 AM 3/13/2003 +0100, you wrote: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 Hans Hagen wrote: Right :) I expect to see it in the core for the next release! ;) HH Ha, i found out that i already had a HH \checknextindentation in my cont-loc HH (for different purposes -) HH anyhow, i'll provide you the hook Even better, put the indentnext=auto code in the core :) don't hurry too much, if you define yourself a \autoindentation macro you'll have indentnext=auto Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com - information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf - ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re[2]: [NTG-context] Displayed material, again
At 11:08 AM 3/11/2003 +0100, you wrote:
Tuesday, March 11, 2003 Hans Hagen wrote:
HH btw, here are shorter defs:
HH \def\startdisplay
HH{\relax\ifvmode\else\endgraf\noindent\fi\ignorespaces}
HH \def\stopdisplay
HH{\par\doifnextcharelse\par\donothing\noindent}
HH watch the \relax (prevents lookahead) and \doifnextcharelse
Good to know, thanks. BTW, have you had a look at the patches I
submitted to the list around 10pm yesterday? What do you think of
them?
What patch? Yesterday around 10 i was deparately trying to figure out why
our (linux) mail server was infected by a spammer (some kind of sendmail
bug combined with pop3 things) and in the process (took me the whole
morning) probably lost some mails.
Hans
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Re[3]: [NTG-context] Displayed material, again
At 12:47 PM 3/11/2003 +0100, you wrote:
\def\synchronizeindentation
{%
\doifvalue{\??dd#1\c!springvolgendein}\v!nee\noindentation
\doifvalue{\??dd#1\c!springvolgendein}\v!auto\noindent}
}%
saves keying and also provides a hook
Hans
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[NTG-context] Displayed material, again
Hello list,
I wish to bring the discussion again on displayed material.
Display material is material that conceptually belongs to a
paragraphs but typographically breaks it. After the display, the
paragraph can continue or not. In ConTeXt, there are many things
which should be considered displayed material: formulas,
enumerations and other itemgroups, quotations, etc. Every
start/stop pair that begins a new paragraph should actually be a
displayed area. In ConTeXt, one can achieve such result by using
[intentnext=yes] or [indentnext=no] on a case-by-case basis,
depending on whether the start/stop pair is supposed to start a
new paragraph or not. Of course, this manual way to do the thing
goes against the general principle that the computer is supposed
to do as much of the job as possible, by itself. I therefore wish
to urge Hans to implement a new indentnext option, auto, which
should give a behaviour similar to the one shown on this example:
=== BEGIN displayed.tex ===
\setupindenting[medium]
\definestartstop[display][before=\initdisplay,after=\terminatedisplay,style=italic]
\def\initdisplay{\ifvmode\else\endgraf\noindent\fi
\bgroup\advance\leftskip2\parindent\advance\rightskip2\parindent\ignorespaces}
\def\terminatedisplay{\par\egroup\afterassignment\checkifpar\let\ispar=}
\def\checkifpar{\ifx\ispar\par\else\noindent\expandafter\ispar\fi}
\starttext
The purpouse of this document is to practically show how display
material should behave: display material is material that
conceptually belongs to a paragraphs but typographically breaks it
After the display, the paragraph can continue or not.
We now quote Knuth:
\startdisplay
\input knuth
\stopdisplay
and continue the paragraph right after. The following quote will
instead end the paragraph:
\startdisplay
\input tufte
\stopdisplay
This text belongs to a different paragraph: note that it's being
indented (differently from the previous snippet). This paragraph
has no quotations. Instead, the next paragraph will start with
a quotation (display material at the beginning of the paragraph)
and have some text after~it.
\startdisplay
\input knuth
\stopdisplay
is again a quote from Knuth. Observe that this way the source
obeys the \TeX\ convention of empy lines to terminate paragraphs,
and that it is not necessary to manually specify the intentnext
option for the single cases.
\stoptext
=== END displayed.tex ===
The paragraph-wise behaviour of \initdisplay and
\terminatedisplay+\checkifpar (i.e. excluding the left-/rightskip
adaptments, which have only a visual purpouse) should be the
behaviour in case indentnext=auto.
--
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Re: [NTG-context] Displayed material, again
At 05:25 PM 3/10/2003 +0100, you wrote: Hello list, I wish to bring the discussion again on displayed material. Display material is material that conceptually belongs to a paragraphs but typographically breaks it. After the display, the paragraph can continue or not. In ConTeXt, there are many things which should be considered displayed material: formulas, enumerations and other itemgroups, quotations, etc. Every start/stop pair that begins a new paragraph should actually be a displayed area. In ConTeXt, one can achieve such result by using [intentnext=yes] or [indentnext=no] on a case-by-case basis, depending on whether the start/stop pair is supposed to start a new paragraph or not. Of course, this manual way to do the thing goes against the general principle that the computer is supposed to do as much of the job as possible, by itself. I therefore wish to urge Hans to implement a new indentnext option, auto, which should give a behaviour similar to the one shown on this example: well it's on my todo list to provide this option, but first i need to finish a couple of grid things; actually live would be much easier if there wer \bpar \epar commands -) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com - information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf - ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Displayed material, again
At 05:25 PM 3/10/2003 +0100, you wrote:
to do as much of the job as possible, by itself. I therefore wish
to urge Hans to implement a new indentnext option, auto, which
should give a behaviour similar to the one shown on this example:
btw, here are shorter defs:
\def\startdisplay
{\relax\ifvmode\else\endgraf\noindent\fi\ignorespaces}
\def\stopdisplay
{\par\doifnextcharelse\par\donothing\noindent}
watch the \relax (prevents lookahead) and \doifnextcharelse
anyway,
isn't a \stopdisplay followed by an empty line still supposed to be a
display?, so the full model is:
\startparagraph
text or not
\startdisplay
\stopdisplay
text or not
\stopparagraph
the startparagraph and stopparagraph can be kind of automatic, but that's
just an added bonus for those who want to use empty lines as signals
(something which is not common, for instance in xml where proper tagging
takes place).
Hans
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