Re: OTish: Need some ideas on troubleshooting web browsing problem

2011-06-09 Thread Andrew S. Baker
Doesn't the fact that there is no consistency in the data from systems placed at different points in your network *helpful* to determining where there is a potential slowdown? Users complain about slow performance, and your logging shows that speeds outside are faster than those inside. This

RE: OTish: Need some ideas on troubleshooting web browsing problem

2011-06-09 Thread Ziots, Edward
I would recommend that fiddler HTTP proxy be added to 2 representative workstations, going to the same website, one outside and one inside, and look at the traffic dump to see where things might be slowing down, its saved me a lot of work in the past, either verifying there is a web problem, or

Re: Not as OT as you might think IMO. Facebook facial recognition

2011-06-09 Thread Cameron
I did...once I d/led a QR reader to it...because I just *had* to find out! LOL! T'was the first time I've seen it used in an email. Cheers! On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:56 AM, Ben Schorr b...@rolandschorr.com wrote: Just use your smartphone. :-) Ben M. Schorr Chief Executive Officer

RE: Not as OT as you might think IMO. Facebook facial recognition

2011-06-09 Thread Ben Schorr
Wow, well I'm afraid it probably wasn't worth all THAT effort, but now you've got the reader on your smartphone and you'll undoubtedly find lots of better uses for it. J Ben M. Schorr Chief Executive Officer __ Roland Schorr Tower

Re: Not as OT as you might think IMO. Facebook facial recognition

2011-06-09 Thread Jon D
Google's Gmail + Facebook = 'Probabality index database'(how likely you are to be up to something no good) Public cameras + Face reconization + 'Probabality index database' = Police knowing who to watch 1984 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~

RE: Terminal Server Q

2011-06-09 Thread Webster
The change to ProfilesDirectory _should_ only affect _new_ profiles. Off the top of my head, I cannot think of any caveats to your 2nd question beyond the usual YMMV, don't call me I'll call you and if anything breaks it is all Gary Slinger's fault. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix

Re: Terminal Server Q

2011-06-09 Thread James Rankin
I'd be willing to bet some trashy app has the path to the user's profile hard-coded somewhere. Might be worth running some ProcMon instances against your key apps if it's really vital. On 9 June 2011 15:24, Webster carlwebs...@gmail.com wrote: The change to “ProfilesDirectory” _*should*_ only

RE: Image Editing software

2011-06-09 Thread Jay Dale
Sorry, thought you were implying you had used it before or knew something about it. Jay Dale Senior Systems Administrator p:281-574-2414 From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 7:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Image Editing software It's just

Re: OTish: Need some ideas on troubleshooting web browsing problem

2011-06-09 Thread Steven Peck
We had ittermittant slowness during one period. Then we discovered a dev who would at random times during the day copy 800GB-1.5TB files across the network. Just a thought. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:36 AM, Ziots, Edward ezi...@lifespan.org wrote: I would recommend that fiddler HTTP proxy be

Re: Not as OT as you might think IMO. Facebook facial recognition

2011-06-09 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Jon D rekcahp...@gmail.com wrote: Google's Gmail + Facebook = 'Probabality index database'(how likely you are to be up to something no good) Public cameras + Face reconization +  'Probabality index database' = Police knowing who to watch What makes you think

Re: Terminal Server Q

2011-06-09 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:30 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: I'd be willing to bet some trashy app has the path to the user's profile hard-coded somewhere. I know Windows Media Player does/did this. The trashy apps come with the computer. ;) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful

RE: OTish: Need some ideas on troubleshooting web browsing problem

2011-06-09 Thread Guyer, Don
Wow and I thought I was the only one who ran into an issue like that... J More than once. Don Guyer Windows Systems Engineer RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2 Enterprise Technology Group Fiserv don.gu...@fiserv.com Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673 Fax:

RE: OTish: Need some ideas on troubleshooting web browsing problem

2011-06-09 Thread David Lum
How the hell did you figure that one out? Dave From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 7:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OTish: Need some ideas on troubleshooting web browsing problem We had ittermittant slowness during one period. Then we

RE: OTish: Need some ideas on troubleshooting web browsing problem

2011-06-09 Thread Guyer, Don
Speaking for my cases. We had the help of our Network Team. Narrowed it down to Port, then computer. Then a personal visit to the employees desk took care of the rest. J Don Guyer Windows Systems Engineer RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2 Enterprise

RE: Image Editing software

2011-06-09 Thread Jay Dale
By network access and sharing, I mean that all the photos are located on a network share and multiple computers need to be able to access them and make changes and update them. Using PS Elements they can't use multiple machines because it does not update any changes made by another user. Jay

RE: OTish: Need some ideas on troubleshooting web browsing problem

2011-06-09 Thread N Parr
What model and how old is your BC Web filter? -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 12:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OTish: Need some ideas on troubleshooting web browsing problem All, I'm in need of a new approach to

Re: OTish: Need some ideas on troubleshooting web browsing problem

2011-06-09 Thread Steven Peck
We had similar method. In this case, the data was crossing out of a smaller environment which was using an older switch and then hiting one of the core routers and some interaction there had really negative effect which made the problem worse then it should have been. They had agreed when the

RE: Image Editing software

2011-06-09 Thread Jay Dale
By network access and sharing, I mean that all the photos are located on a network share and multiple computers need to be able to access them and make changes and update them. Using PS Elements they can't use multiple machines because it does not update any changes made by another user. Jay

Re: Image Editing software

2011-06-09 Thread Cameron
Wouldn't Picasa pretty much handle your needs? You don't want the files opened for editing by more than one person at a time (first person can edit, 2nd is read-only sort of thing). If they are on a share, then everyone should be able to access the latest versions? Am I missing something here?

RE: Image Editing software

2011-06-09 Thread Matthew W. Ross
By network access and sharing, I mean that all the photos are located on a network share and multiple computers need to be able to access them and make changes and update them. Okay, photos on a read/write share. No problem there. Using PS Elements they can't use multiple machines because

Heads up 16 more patches in Microsoft Land for June 2011

2011-06-09 Thread Ziots, Edward
Hi all, On June 14, 2011 Microsoft is planning to release sixteen (16) new security bulletins. The June 2011 Advance Notification Summary page is at http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms11-jun.mspx. == NEW SECURITY BULLETIN SUMMARY

Re: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread Jonathan Link
Some alarm bells are going off. If there's a professional service involved, why are you doing anything? Have you asked them what they would suggest so you could do your own analysis? On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Jonathan ncm...@gmail.com wrote: for those of you you do not have content

RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread Kennedy, Jim
+1 If you need to preserve for a professional you need them to tell you how to do it in conjunction with the lawyers that might be involved. They may very well tell you first thing to do is image it. I was an 'expert' witness in a sexual harassment case that the company lost badly because they

Roaming User Profile Issues

2011-06-09 Thread Kelli Sterley
Hi - I have inherited an issue and need some help with it... Wondering if anyone else has some ideas on what to try. I have a remote site, which includes 7 2000/XP desktops and it is connected via VPN tunnel. Each user has told me their login and logout takes forever. I've timed it and it's

Re: Roaming User Profile Issues

2011-06-09 Thread Jonathan Link
D: Remove roaming profiles (because you have a mixed 2k/XP environment, and if they move around they might be subject to profile corruption when moving from OS to OS) and keep redirecting My Documents. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Kelli Sterley kjsterley.li...@gmail.comwrote: Hi - I have

RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread John Cook
The second you log on as an Admin files have changed. If there are Legal discoveries then the evidence is tainted. Forensic specialists clone the HD with a special setup and do discovery on the clone thus preserving the original for evidence. From: Jonathan Link

Re: RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread Jonathan
Good points from all of you. I don't know that a third party will be brought in at all, but want to be prepared in case it does turn into something bigger, which is why I asked the list. What would you guys recommend for cloning for this purpose? The last thing I used was Ghost, but have used

RE: RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread Guyer, Don
Built-in backup program. Don Guyer Windows Systems Engineer RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2 Enterprise Technology Group Fiserv don.gu...@fiserv.com Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673 Fax: 610-233-0404 www.fiserv.com http://www.fiserv.com/ From: Jonathan

Re: RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread Jonathan Link
If there's a chance it turns into something bigger, I'd hold off doing anything. I'd unplug the computer and lock it in a safe and leave it alone. I'd talk to your superiors about being able to maintain the integrity of the machine being paramount if they think that this will involve litigation

Re: RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread Richard Stovall
Just say no. To do this properly you cannot boot from that drive. A proper forensic image is taken by placing the disk in another machine with adequate write protection in place. Once the image is taken the original is placed in secure storage. If you do anything, and it goes to a legal

RE: RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread John Cook
Honestly, I would (if possible) pull the machine out from under the user (make up some excuse about warranty issue or something) wrap it in tape so the case can't be cracked and have someone sign it and date it for future reference. From: Jonathan [mailto:ncm...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June

Dell

2011-06-09 Thread Shauna Hensala
There are a lot of corps that need to read this and take it to heart - but particularly DELL - http://docs.media.bitpipe.com/io_25x/io_25805/item_399595/19613_WhyPerformanceMatters_WP.pdf Shauna Hensala Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:01:09 -0400 Subject: Re: RE: windows 7 forensics From:

Re: RE: RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread Jonathan
understand and agree. However, if the boss says, do it anyway, what approach would you use? Jonathan A+, MCSA, MCSE Thumb-typed from my HTC Droid Incredible (and yes, it really is) on the Verizon network. Please excuse brevity and any misspellings. On Jun 9, 2011 2:07 PM, John Cook

RE: RE: RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread Kennedy, Jim
Boot it from a CD and image it then do your poking around. From: Jonathan [mailto:ncm...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 2:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: RE: RE: windows 7 forensics understand and agree. However, if the boss says, do it anyway, what approach would you

Re: RE: RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread Jonathan Link
I would beg him to contact a lawyer before proceeding. If that doesn't get anywhere, I'd ask for a signed letter indemnifying me of responsibility should this proceed to litigation. First thing is to tell the boss that this is not a technical problem. It is a legal issue. A legal issue that

RE: Dell

2011-06-09 Thread Sam Cayze
Perfect! Send to: prem...@dell.com global_b2b_supp...@dell.com Dear Dell, Please fix Premier or I am going elsewhere. See attached. Thanks, Your customer [in peril] From: Shauna Hensala [mailto:she...@msn.com] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 1:14 PM To: NT

RE: RE: RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread Ziots, Edward
Sector by Sector image, and again as Robert said write-protections should be in place, unless your want a lawyer basically shooting a big hole in your chain of evidence/custody that is required to even get the evidence in a court of law. Best to leave the Forensics to a reputable out-sourced

RE: RE: RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread Guyer, Don
x2 In the past when I was approached about doing this type of investigating, I made sure someone else was able to access the system to do the investigating (HR or a superior). I never agree(d) to do this stuff myself and was never forced to do so or reprimanded in any way. Don Guyer

RE: Image Editing software

2011-06-09 Thread Jay Dale
They don't usually edit at the same time, but they want to be able to see the changes made by another user from another workstation so that they don't do double-editing. Jay Dale Senior Systems Administrator P:281-574-2414 From: Cameron [mailto:cameron.orl...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June

RE: RE: RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread John Cook
Get it in writing for CYA. From: Jonathan [mailto:ncm...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 2:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: RE: RE: windows 7 forensics understand and agree. However, if the boss says, do it anyway, what approach would you use? Jonathan A+, MCSA, MCSE

RE: Image Editing software

2011-06-09 Thread Jay Dale
You can update the photos with Elements with one computer, but if you try to edit them with another computer running Elements, it does not see the changes made by the prior workstation. It only sees the changes that IT made. It's as if there is a database of changes and settings per

Re: Image Editing software

2011-06-09 Thread Jonathan Link
Then this is likely a user issue or a machine configuration issue, having them save changes locally rather than the network share. It's a behavioral issue not a technical one. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Jay Dale jd...@unetek.com wrote: They don’t usually edit at the same time, but they

Re: RE: RE: RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread Jonathan
Turns out we have a lawyer on the executive team. My instructions are to clone and go from there. Jonathan A+, MCSA, MCSE Thumb-typed from my HTC Droid Incredible (and yes, it really is) on the Verizon network. Please excuse brevity and any misspellings. On Jun 9, 2011 2:37 PM, John Cook

Re: Image Editing software

2011-06-09 Thread Jonathan Link
I am wrong It appears that it does keep a catalog of changes and keeps them on a single computer. There does appear to be a way to synchronize those changes, but looks like it requires an Adobe service... Might need to abandon Elements... http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshopel/features/

Re: RE: RE: RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread Jonathan Link
Still get it in writing... On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Jonathan ncm...@gmail.com wrote: Turns out we have a lawyer on the executive team. My instructions are to clone and go from there. Jonathan A+, MCSA, MCSE Thumb-typed from my HTC Droid Incredible (and yes, it really is) on the

RE: Image Editing software

2011-06-09 Thread Kennedy, Jim
Version Cue might work here. It should come with it although I am more a Photoshop guy than an Elements guy is what you are looking for. You also need to get the preferences set up right on each workstation so that the catalog database is stored on the server and they all use the same path.

RE: RE: RE: RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread Art DeKneef
There are a few forensic sites that will help guide you. There are a few software packages that have past court review to show that the original is not changed in any way when making an image. Encase comes in mind but there are others. Of course I can't remember them right now. A couple of them

RE: RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread John Aldrich
G4L is a good app... From: Jonathan [mailto:ncm...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 1:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: RE: windows 7 forensics Good points from all of you. I don't know that a third party will be brought in at all, but want to be prepared in case it does

RE: Object auditing event overload

2011-06-09 Thread Miller Bonnie L .
Do you have success logging turned on for the firewall? (Control panel, admin, Windows firewall..., properties of the top node...) From: James Rankin [kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 1:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Object

Win 7 recovery virus

2011-06-09 Thread Tom Miller
Anyone getting a lot of these. One of my techs just reported to me: We have been getting hit by the Win 7 recovery virus today? Just as heads up http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/virus-removal/remove-windows-7-recovery We use Vipre here. Vipre can see it but obviously not stop it. Way to

Re: Win 7 recovery virus

2011-06-09 Thread John Cook
3 computers today John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families From: Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Thu Jun 09 15:17:05 2011 Subject: Win 7 recovery virus Anyone getting a

RE: Win 7 recovery virus

2011-06-09 Thread Tammy Stewart
Sounds like possibly a new variant. If you have any samples please upload them to our submit site. http://www.sunbeltsecurity.com/threat If you are also having the issue where all the files/folders are hidden start menu icons, desktop icons missing - this page should help: (unless the

Re: OTish: Need some ideas on troubleshooting web browsing problem

2011-06-09 Thread Andrew S. Baker
Please... :) *ASB *(Professional Bio http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio) Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Guyer, Don don.gu...@fiserv.com wrote: Wow and I thought I was the only one who ran into an issue like that… J

Re: Heads up 16 more patches in Microsoft Land for June 2011

2011-06-09 Thread Andrew S. Baker
Potentially big month ahead... *ASB *(Professional Bio http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio) Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Ziots, Edward ezi...@lifespan.org wrote: Hi all, On June 14, 2011 Microsoft is planning to release

remote support and UAC

2011-06-09 Thread Bill Humphries
Hey all, Our current remote support software sucks when the client is a win7 with UAC. Handicapped to almost the point of useless. What do you like that handles UAC in a way that makes remote support feasible? Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~

RE: Heads up 16 more patches in Microsoft Land for June 2011

2011-06-09 Thread Ziots, Edward
Agreed, looks like that coupled with Oracle ( java) release is going to keep folks busy. Z Edward E. Ziots CISSP, Network +, Security + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization Email:ezi...@lifespan.org Cell:401-639-3505 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent:

Re: remote support and UAC

2011-06-09 Thread Tony Patton
I've used Teamviewer in the past on my Win7 pc at home. It can also be configured to only accept LAN connections. Think it was about £1000 the last time I checked for unlimited end connections. Http://WWW.TeamViewer.com T Typed slowly on HTC Desire On 9 Jun 2011 21:01, Bill Humphries

RE: remote support and UAC

2011-06-09 Thread Charlie Kaiser
Logmeinrescue is working reasonably well for us with W7 and UAC... *** Charlie Kaiser charl...@golden-eagle.org Kingman, AZ *** -Original Message- From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 1:01 PM To:

Re: OTish: Need some ideas on troubleshooting web browsing problem

2011-06-09 Thread Steven Peck
That's the size of some of the dev's 'sample' datasets. They used to use smaller ones but those wouldn't actually stress their apps anywhere near close to what the production systems do which use larger datasets. This one really doesn't eaither but at least it comes closer for testing before

Re: Object auditing event overload

2011-06-09 Thread Rankin, James R
I did, got it sorted with the follow-up mails I posted Typed frustratingly slowly on my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:15:24 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

RE: remote support and UAC

2011-06-09 Thread Tammy Stewart
+1 on TeamViewer. No issues answering UAC prompts etc. We use it for customer support at work. (the quick support client is awesome for those situations where you need in do whatever out not likely to be a regular visit to that PC) Tammy _ From: Tony Patton

Re: Roaming User Profile Issues

2011-06-09 Thread Andrew S. Baker
+1 *ASB *(Professional Bio http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio) Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: D: Remove roaming profiles (because you have a mixed 2k/XP environment, and if they

Re: RE: RE: RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread Andrew S. Baker
+1000 It's as easy as an email to the principals stating: - As discussed, I will be creating a cloned copy of drive with serial #xxx for use in our internal investigation. Please confirm that you want me to lock the original in the safe, or provide it to legal before I continue.

Re: Image Editing software

2011-06-09 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: But the bottom line is Adobe imaging products just don’t play well in a network environment. They still strongly recommend against editing a file on a server with Photoshop, they say copy it locally first. This

Re: RE: RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jonathan ncm...@gmail.com wrote: understand and agree.  However, if the boss says, do it anyway, what approach would you use? I would avoid MS Windows, as it has a tendency to want to write to the disk without asking. (Due to things like updating the MBR for

RE: Image Editing software

2011-06-09 Thread Michael B. Smith
Who needs more than 640K? Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 6:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Image Editing software On

RE: remote support and UAC

2011-06-09 Thread Martin Blackstone
+1 -Original Message- From: Charlie Kaiser [mailto:charl...@golden-eagle.org] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 1:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: remote support and UAC Logmeinrescue is working reasonably well for us with W7 and UAC... *** Charlie Kaiser

Re: Image Editing software

2011-06-09 Thread Rankin, James R
I used to live a fulfilled electronic life using a 1K ZX81 --Original Message-- From: Michael B. Smith To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Image Editing software Sent: 9 Jun 2011 23:45 Who needs more than 640K? Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant

RE: Image Editing software

2011-06-09 Thread Erik Goldoff
Sounds more like you need a sharepoint type site so folks can ‘check out’ the graphic files to work on ONE AT A TIME … I can’t think of any collaborative bitmap editors that are made for multiple simultaneous users. Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security ' Security is

RE: Image Editing software

2011-06-09 Thread Webster
I survived on an IBM 360/25 with no fancy terminal thingy to get in my way! Programming a punch card machine for IBM COBOL and Assembler code is da bomb! :) Webster -Original Message- From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Subject: Re: Image Editing software I used

Re: RE: RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread Jonathan
Thanks again for the input. Next question - what about USB flash drive forensics? I briefly scanned the first part of this article, albeit form 2007 Would what you describe below still be valid for a USB flash drive? Thanks, Jonathan On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Ben Scott

Re: RE: RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread Jonathan
forgot to include the link: http://www.ssddfj.org/papers/SSDDFJ_V1_1_Bem_Huebner.pdf Jonathan On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Jonathan ncm...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks again for the input. Next question - what about USB flash drive forensics? I briefly scanned the first part of this article,

RE: RE: RE: windows 7 forensics

2011-06-09 Thread Level 5 Lists
There are a lot of things to consider. The first being chain of custody, the pulling of the pc with 2 people, and then certifying that it hasn't been tampered with is your primary requirement. After that I would let the real boys handle it (3rd party/legal team etc) I went through something