Some amusing search engine poisoning

2011-07-11 Thread James Rankin
http://www.securitynewsportal.com/cgi-bin/news555.cgi?target=A/505643969?-2622securitynews=Searching%20for%20Google%20Chrome%20on%20Bing%20Leads%20to%20Malware -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?'

Re: Some amusing search engine poisoning

2011-07-11 Thread Tom Miller
Fantastic disclaimer. Do you know Dave Barry...? James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com 7/11/2011 8:53 AM http://www.securitynewsportal.com/cgi-bin/news555.cgi?target=A/505643969?-2622securitynews=Searching%20for%20Google%20Chrome%20on%20Bing%20Leads%20to%20Malware -- On two occasions...I have

Re: Some amusing search engine poisoning

2011-07-11 Thread James Rankin
I don't, but having just Googled him, I have just realised that all the material in the book that I am writing (currently eight years of work, and counting) is probably pretty unoriginal. :-( On 11 July 2011 14:00, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Fantastic disclaimer. Do you know Dave

Re: Some amusing search engine poisoning

2011-07-11 Thread James Kerr
Dave Barry is one funny guy. On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:04 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: I don't, but having just Googled him, I have just realised that all the material in the book that I am writing (currently eight years of work, and counting) is probably pretty unoriginal.

RE: Some amusing search engine poisoning

2011-07-11 Thread Webster
James, you should also look up the late Lewis Grizzard. He was absolutely hilarious. Webster From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Subject: Re: Some amusing search engine poisoning I don't, but having just Googled him, I have just realised that all the material

Re: Some amusing search engine poisoning

2011-07-11 Thread Erik Goldoff
** ** *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Subject:* Re: Some amusing search engine poisoning ** ** I don't, but having just Googled him, I have just realised that all the material in the book that I am writing (currently eight years of work, and counting) is probably pretty

Re: Some amusing search engine poisoning

2011-07-11 Thread James Kerr
amusing search engine poisoning ** ** I don't, but having just Googled him, I have just realised that all the material in the book that I am writing (currently eight years of work, and counting) is probably pretty unoriginal. :-( On 11 July 2011 14:00, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote

Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-08 Thread James Rankin
Well I have lost all faith in the justice system. This guy won his case for unfair dismissal. He is now awaiting compensation. On 1 July 2011 14:58, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: We have a user who is facing disciplinary action for over-use of the Internet. He is defending

Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-08 Thread Andrew S. Baker
Which part of the justice system failed here? * * *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 5:02 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Well I have lost all faith in the justice system. This guy won

Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-08 Thread James Rankin
Maybe I should have said the legal systembut clearly whoever sits on these tribunals must have been taken in by this guy's nonsensical verbiage. Either that or our solicitors are useless. Basically this guy was placed under suspension and investigated for spending all day on his blog instead

Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-08 Thread Andrew S. Baker
Who was the expert witness? * * *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:48 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Maybe I should have said the legal systembut clearly whoever sits on these

Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-08 Thread James Rankin
Not me :-) one of the guys from our networks team, who I haven't bumped into yet On 8 July 2011 13:20, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Who was the expert witness? * * *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On

Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-08 Thread Harry Singh
Really? He won? I sincerely hope it wasn't based on that technical nonsense he spewed. is your employer At wil ? On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 8:28 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Not me :-) one of the guys from our networks team, who I haven't bumped into yet On 8 July 2011

Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-08 Thread Harry Singh
At Will -- apologies. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Harry Singh hbo...@gmail.com wrote: Really? He won? I sincerely hope it wasn't based on that technical nonsense he spewed. is your employer At wil ? On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 8:28 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.comwrote: Not me

RE: OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-08 Thread Guyer, Don
...@fiserv.com Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673 Fax: 610-233-0404 www.fiserv.com http://www.fiserv.com/ From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 7:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff Maybe I should have said the legal system

Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-08 Thread James Rankin
www.fiserv.com ** ** *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2011 7:48 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff ** ** Maybe I should have said the legal systembut clearly whoever sits on these tribunals must have

RE: OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-08 Thread Guyer, Don
AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff Constructive dismissali.e. he claims he was put in a position where he had no choice but to resign. On 8 July 2011 15:41, Guyer, Don don.gu...@fiserv.com wrote: How can one resign and then turn around and claim dismissal

RE: OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-08 Thread Ziots, Edward
:401-639-3505 From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 10:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: Amusing legal stuff I'm sorry; I have a big problem with that. It's Friday, I'm gonna refrain from ranting over that, so I don't ruin my weekend

RE: OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-08 Thread RichardMcClary
Issues Subject: RE: OT: Amusing legal stuff I?m sorry; I have a big problem with that. It?s Friday, I?m gonna refrain from ranting over that, so I don?t ruin my weekend?.. J I?ll just say I have no tolerance for people that ?misbehave? and then pull a redirect, blaming it on someone

Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-08 Thread Jonathan Link
...@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 10:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff Constructive dismissali.e. he claims he was put in a position where he had no choice but to resign.On 8 July 2011 15:41, Guyer, Don don.gu...@fiserv.com wrote:How can one

Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-08 Thread Jon Harris
...@fiserv.com] *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2011 10:59 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: OT: Amusing legal stuff ** ** I’m sorry; I have a big problem with that. It’s Friday, I’m gonna refrain from ranting over that, so I don’t ruin my weekend….. ** ** J

OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread James Rankin
We have a user who is facing disciplinary action for over-use of the Internet. He is defending himself, and some of the points he has risen truly make me aware of the fact a little knowledge is a dangerous thing... He claims that, since he uses Firefox, and Microsoft ISA Server is, in his words,

RE: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread Evan Brastow
Admin Issues Subject: OT: Amusing legal stuff We have a user who is facing disciplinary action for over-use of the Internet. He is defending himself, and some of the points he has risen truly make me aware of the fact a little knowledge is a dangerous thing... He claims that, since he uses Firefox

Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread RichardMcClary
The guy obviously does not use the same sig file as you. Then again, perhaps that last part of the sig file hints at the nature of the disciplinary action. -- richard James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote on 07/01/2011 08:58:31 AM: We have a user who is facing disciplinary action for

Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread Erik Goldoff
depends on what the definition of 'is' is what a TOOL ! I say if he can provide empirical evidence or even officially recorded precedence he should be set free, otherwise DOUBLE his punishment as a bullsh*t penalty !!! On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 9:58 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com

Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread Andrew S. Baker
It should be easy enough to dispute all his lovely findings, observations and assertions by (a) asking him to substantiate any of his statements using third party data, and (b) pointing out that all of these timings are based on network activity - at the network device itself - and thus not at all

RE: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread Jacob
We had to discipline someone because they surfed a non-adult related site. Not kidding. From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 6:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Amusing legal stuff We have a user who is facing disciplinary action

RE: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread Joseph Heaton
System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Amusing legal stuff We have a user who is facing disciplinary action for over-use of the Internet. He is defending himself, and some of the points he has risen truly make me aware of the fact a little knowledge is a dangerous thing... He claims that, since he uses

RE: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread David Mazzaccaro
Check his email address, it will all make perfect sense. LOL -Original Message- From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 12:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing legal stuff Disciplined for NOT surfing pr0n? Wow, that's harsh :P

Re: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread G.Waleed Kavalec
a non-adult related site. Not kidding. From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 6:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: Amusing legal stuff We have a user who is facing disciplinary action for over-use of the Internet. He is defending himself

RE: OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread Free, Bob
, 2011 7:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff depends on what the definition of 'is' is what a TOOL ! I say if he can provide empirical evidence or even officially recorded precedence he should be set free, otherwise DOUBLE his punishment as a bullsh*t

Re: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread Steven Peck
- From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 12:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing legal stuff Disciplined for NOT surfing pr0n? Wow, that's harsh :P Jacob ja...@excaliburfilms.com 7/1/2011 8:23 AM We had to discipline someone because

Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread Andrew S. Baker
can’t possibly be guilty of malfeasance, I use a Mac, it’s all that Microsoft stuff causing me to appear to be a slacker!” ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2011 7:19 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: Amusing

Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread Erik Goldoff
that Microsoft stuff causing me to appear to be a slacker!” ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2011 7:19 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT: Amusing legal stuff ** ** depends on what the definition

Re: RE: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread Rene de Haas
Issues Subject: OT: Amusing legal stuff We have a user who is facing disciplinary action for over-use of the Internet. He is defending himself, and some of the points he has risen truly make me aware of the fact a little knowledge is a dangerous thing... He claims that, since he uses Firefox

Re: RE: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread kz20fl
Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: RE: Amusing legal stuff Are you hiring? :) Op 1 jul. 2011 17:26 schreef Jacob ja...@excaliburfilms.com het volgende: We had to discipline someone because they surfed

RE: RE: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread David Mazzaccaro
pun intended? From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 4:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: RE: Amusing legal stuff Amen. You need someone to browse pr0n all day, its a tough job, but I am up to the challenge. Sent from my POS

Re: RE: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread kz20fl
Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: RE: Amusing legal stuff pun intended? From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 4:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: RE: Amusing legal stuff Amen. You

Re: RE: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread Daniel Rodriguez
- From: Rene de Haas rene.deh...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 21:54:33 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: RE: Amusing legal stuff Are you hiring? :) Op 1 jul. 2011 17:26 schreef

RE: RE: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread Jacob
Depends on your talents. From: Rene de Haas [mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 12:55 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: RE: Amusing legal stuff Are you hiring? :) Op 1 jul. 2011 17:26 schreef Jacob ja...@excaliburfilms.com het volgende: We had

RE: RE: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread Jacob
. From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 1:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: RE: Amusing legal stuff Amen. You need someone to browse pr0n all day, its a tough job, but I am up to the challenge. Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless

RE: RE: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread Rod Trent
Gives new meaning to employee training. From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 5:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: RE: Amusing legal stuff Depends on your talents. From: Rene de Haas [mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 01

Re: RE: Amusing legal stuff

2011-07-01 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
:03 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: RE: Amusing legal stuff ** ** Amen. You need someone to browse pr0n all day, its a tough job, but I am up to the challenge. Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any moment

Re: Amusing

2009-06-01 Thread Candee Vaglica
Who was actually paraphrasing Pauly. ;) On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: I've said it before. To paraphrase Henry Hill in Goodfellas F you, pay me. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at

RE: Amusing

2009-06-01 Thread Ken Schaefer
:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing The general plan here is to improve performance when you have large mailboxes. Most, but not all (granted) folks would say that it's OK to use more disk space if that effectively removes a key performance blocker. SIS was designed

RE: Amusing

2009-06-01 Thread Michael B. Smith
If so, that's not what we've been told... From: Ken Schaefer [...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 9:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing So this doesn't have anything to do with a tricky bit of code that requires constant

RE: Amusing

2009-05-31 Thread John Hornbuckle
: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 8:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing The statement was: Who says what's right, though? That brings us back to trying to force humans to adapt to technology rather than designing technology for the way

Re: Amusing

2009-05-31 Thread Ben Scott
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: You can continue to use Exchange as a filesystem. That's your answer to everything. Too many mass emails? We're using it wrong. Too many old emails? We're using it wrong. Too many attachments? We're using it

RE: Amusing

2009-05-31 Thread Steven M. Caesare
] Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 12:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Amusing On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: You can continue to use Exchange as a filesystem. That's your answer to everything. Too many mass emails? We're using it wrong

RE: Amusing

2009-05-31 Thread Michael B. Smith
customers want very performant very large mailboxes. Microsoft is making the necessary changes to meet that desire. From: Ben Scott [mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 8:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Amusing On Fri, May 29, 2009

RE: Amusing

2009-05-30 Thread John Hornbuckle
as fast, easy, and reliable as the USB key is for them. John From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing I think when employee behavior compromises the ability to maintain a stable network

RE: Amusing

2009-05-30 Thread Steven M. Caesare
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing I agree-but in this context, we weren't talking about behavior that was compromising network stability or organizational security. In the case you give, we as IT pros need to look

Re: Amusing

2009-05-30 Thread Jonathan Link
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] *Sent:* Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:22 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Amusing I agree—but in this context, we weren’t talking about behavior that was compromising network stability or organizational security. In the case you give, we

RE: Amusing

2009-05-30 Thread Ralph Smith
that they will readily accept. Ralph From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:40 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing I was being (somewhat) facetious. Menus? Do you guys do intranet

RE: Amusing

2009-05-30 Thread Steven M. Caesare
Good, good... we agree that some things are indeed 'wrong from a corporate perspective. Apology accepted. -sc From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Amusing As IT professionals, we

RE: Amusing

2009-05-30 Thread Steven M. Caesare
That's why we need minions! -sc From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing Not really. I am basically a 1 person IT department with 1 other person helping me with PC maintenance, for 200

RE: Amusing

2009-05-30 Thread Brian Desmond
30, 2009 12:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing Not really. I am basically a 1 person IT department with 1 other person helping me with PC maintenance, for 200 users at 10 locations, so I have a long list of things I want to /need to/ should do, but am very short on the time

Re: Amusing

2009-05-30 Thread Jonathan Link
:* Saturday, May 30, 2009 9:47 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Amusing As IT professionals, we are resposible for all facets of technology in the enterprise. User interaction with technoogy is but one part of the equation. For example you mentioned USB keys and the VPN. USB based

RE: Amusing

2009-05-30 Thread Steven M. Caesare
It's all good. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 6:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Amusing 1) I wasn't really involved in this thread. 2) I certainly didn't say anything to you directly that would've required an apology, I

Re: Amusing

2009-05-30 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: Companies are seldom democracies, and as I think both scenarios illustrate, there indeed can be a wrong. The thing is, in this case, It's not an internal policy decision. It's Microsoft that's the dictator, and

Re: Amusing

2009-05-30 Thread Jonathan Link
I've said it before. To paraphrase Henry Hill in Goodfellas F you, pay me. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: Companies are seldom democracies, and as I think both scenarios

RE: Amusing

2009-05-30 Thread Steven M. Caesare
-Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 8:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Amusing On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: Companies are seldom democracies, and as I think both

RE: Amusing

2009-05-29 Thread John Hornbuckle
by disrupting the network. From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:53 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Amusing +1 brother. Ready for school to be out? John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud

RE: Amusing

2009-05-29 Thread John Hornbuckle
System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing OK so before we go down the Exchange 2010 sucks because I think I need single instance [attachment] storage route, let's look at some other new stuff: -- Threaded conversation view (ala GMAIL) in Outlook Web Access -- Substantial filtering choices in Outlook

RE: Amusing

2009-05-29 Thread Fergal O'Connell
[mailto:michael.ow...@dys.ohio.gov] Sent: 28 May 2009 19:53 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing I started a war. I just thought sending a 9 meg file to 3000 people was funny. :) From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:51 PM

RE: Amusing

2009-05-29 Thread Ken Schaefer
Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Friday, 29 May 2009 8:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing I don't think anyone thinks Ex 2010 sucks; it has a number of exciting new features. I just think that for some (many?) shops, the SIS issue could have a significant negative

Re: Amusing

2009-05-29 Thread Jonathan Link
...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:53 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Amusing +1 brother. Ready for school to be out? John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud

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2009-05-29 Thread paul chinnery
So what is MS' reason for getting rid of SIS? Perhaps another attempt to convince people to use Sharepoint? From: br...@briandesmond.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Amusing Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:50:57 + Almost. SIS is per database. So

RE: Amusing

2009-05-29 Thread paul chinnery
Never mind, Brian. (I gotta start reading the entire thread before replying to any particular post. And thanks for the explanation. From: pdw1...@hotmail.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Amusing Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:18:59 -0400 So what is MS' reason

Re: Amusing

2009-05-29 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:21 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: Just make sure it's not RAID 5: http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=162 His point seems to be that if you have a single disk failure, the system needs to read all the other disks to reconstruct the failed

RE: Amusing

2009-05-29 Thread John Cook
- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing Hi, Deploy Sharepoint, and email links instead. :-) But as Brian has mentioned - it's working checking your actual SIS stats. I agree with what he has said - many

Re: Amusing

2009-05-29 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote:  I presume the database takes pains to store these several tables for each mailbox together on disk? [Brian Desmond] Yes. Online maintenance has been entirely rethought to ensure this. Well, that's certainly a

Re: Amusing

2009-05-29 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: OK so before we go down the Exchange 2010 sucks because I think I need single instance [attachment] storage route, let's look at some other new stuff: I'm not saying Exchange 2010 doesn't bring anything to the

Re: Amusing

2009-05-29 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Deploy Sharepoint, and email links instead. :-) SharePoint may well be the most overrated product in the history of Microsoft. I can tell people to email links to files on the file server just as easily. The problem

RE: Amusing

2009-05-29 Thread John Hornbuckle
Department Taylor County School District 318 North Clark Street Perry, FL 32347 www.taylor.k12.fl.us -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Amusing They want to use email the way they want

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2009-05-29 Thread Carl Houseman
. Did MS miss the green bus here? There's public relations gold in being able to advertise green. Carl -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:03 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Amusing On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:45 PM

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2009-05-29 Thread Ken Schaefer
Issues Subject: Re: Amusing On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Deploy Sharepoint, and email links instead. :-) SharePoint may well be the most overrated product in the history of Microsoft. I can tell people to email links to files on the file server just

RE: Amusing

2009-05-29 Thread Ken Schaefer
To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing This says so much right here... It's a common trap IT people fall into. We tell people that the way they want to use the technology isn't the right way to use it. Huh? Why not? Technology exists to serve humans--not vice versa. I agree that e-mail

RE: Amusing

2009-05-29 Thread Steven M. Caesare
: Amusing I’ll have to ponder that one a bit. Not sure I like it. Disks may be cheap, but eliminating SIS would cause storage requirements to increase by an order of magnitude. The OP’s situation is a prime example… Suddenly a 9 MB storage requirement becomes 2.7 GB storage requirement (if my

RE: Amusing

2009-05-29 Thread Ken Schaefer
of subsequent tweaking, I'm sure we'll not want to go back to what we had before. Cheers Ken From: Carl Houseman [c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 29 May 2009 11:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing I have to agree. What's the harm

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2009-05-29 Thread David Mazzaccaro
To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing I bet if you look at your SIS ratio perf counter you won't see anything near a 10x reduction. -sc -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues

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2009-05-29 Thread James Rankin
Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing I bet if you look at your SIS ratio perf counter you won't see anything near a 10x reduction. -sc -Original Message- From: John

RE: Amusing

2009-05-29 Thread John Hornbuckle
multiplied times 500 mailboxes, add up to a lot of storage space if a deduplication mechanism isn't used. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing I agree in general. But I

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2009-05-29 Thread Carl Houseman
Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing The harm might be increased CPU or memory usage, reduced scalability etc. Whilst you can quantify some direct benefits (more disks), I assume that most

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2009-05-29 Thread Jonathan Link
counters who are already projecting savings from reduced staffing. Carl -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing The harm might be increased CPU or memory usage, reduced

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2009-05-29 Thread Ken Schaefer
, 29 May 2009 11:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing As for memory/CPU, does eliminating SIS mean lower RAM or slower CPU requirements for the product? Doubtful. The thing they're eliminating is a bunch of tricky code the programmers don't like and which needs a lot of regression

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2009-05-29 Thread Jon Harris
a major factor in the decision, with a nod from the bean counters who are already projecting savings from reduced staffing. Carl -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing

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2009-05-29 Thread Rob Bonfiglio
-Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing I bet if you look at your SIS ratio perf counter you won't see anything near a 10x reduction. -sc -Original Message

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2009-05-29 Thread Ralph Smith
14.5 for 200 users. From: Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:robbonfig...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 10:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Amusing 5.25 for roughly 350 users. On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:33 AM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc

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2009-05-29 Thread John Hornbuckle
Admin Issues Subject: Re: Amusing I agree with several others that said just because you can don't make it right. I have one user whinning that wants to store EVERYTHING in his Exchange mailbox. His box is 1 GB at the moment and he has been hinting that he might like to have more. I only get

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2009-05-29 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
Of course. -- ME2 On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:18 AM, paul chinnery pdw1...@hotmail.com wrote: So what is MS' reason for getting rid of SIS? Perhaps another attempt to convince people to use Sharepoint? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~

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2009-05-29 Thread Carl Houseman
? http://www.pcworld.com/article/164946/google_outage_lesson_dont_get_stuck_in _a_cloud.html Carl -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing The thing they're

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2009-05-29 Thread Jim Mediger
:25 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing If I'm wrong, I welcome an informed source to say so and reveal the complete and unfiltered decision process for why a working feature with positive benefits to many was removed. Not that that would ever happen of course, because

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2009-05-29 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Carl Houseman c.house...@gmail.com wrote: As for memory/CPU, does eliminating SIS mean lower RAM or slower CPU requirements for the product?  Doubtful. Someone already explained that Exchange 2010 moves from a single set of tables for all mailboxes, to a

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2009-05-29 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Jim Mediger j...@holaday.com wrote: “Disk space savings from single instance storage are transient and drop off very quickly over time.” I believe that is misleading at best. It may even be deliberate propaganda to justify removing SIS. We've had several

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2009-05-29 Thread Jonathan Link
Wouldn't it have been nice that MS had done product research and created a traditional upgrade keeping SIS, and then released a Datacenter Edition for large scales of server farms/user bases which didn't have SIS? I wonder what percentage of revenue is the small to medium business market compared

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2009-05-29 Thread Sean Martin
SIS Ratio = 65 - 2400 mailboxes - Sean On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Jim Mediger j...@holaday.com wrote: “Disk space savings from single instance storage are transient and drop off very quickly over time.” I

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2009-05-29 Thread Kurt Buff
perfmon counter before this post. Id' be interested to see what others are reporting -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Amusing I bet if you look at your SIS ratio perf

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2009-05-29 Thread Kelsey, John
System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Amusing 2.1, for about 250 mailboxes. On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 06:36, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Mine is about 1.7 for 500 users on EX2007 2009/5/29 David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonhhc.com Mine is at 40.  (150 users, 1 E2003 store) Never

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2009-05-29 Thread Steven M. Caesare
] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Amusing Mine is about 1.7 for 500 users on EX2007 2009/5/29 David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonhhc.com Mine is at 40. (150 users, 1 E2003 store) Never thought to look at this particular perfmon counter before

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