Re: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-18 Thread Jon Harris
I will add one thing to what everyone else has said. VERIFY that the server hardware will support virtualization! I got bit by this when planning our move to virtualize all of our servers. One machine has the chip the other does not. From the pricing and age you are talking about my guess is

Re: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-18 Thread Rob Bonfiglio
Check with your Microsoft rep on this. I was at an MTC recently talking about virtualization and I'm pretty sure they said that Microsoft offers a seperate license for desktops that will be virtualized. See this link for details...it may or may not apply:

RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-18 Thread Steven M. Caesare
Extra credit points for use of minion. -sc -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:58 PM

RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-18 Thread Steven M. Caesare
What limits (besides performance) are you seeing on CPU's that don't have the virtualization extensions? -sc From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization

Re: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-18 Thread Jon Harris
Issues *Subject:* Re: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options I will add one thing to what everyone else has said. VERIFY that the server hardware will support virtualization! I got bit by this when planning our move to virtualize all of our servers. One machine has the chip

RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-18 Thread Steven M. Caesare
Ahh that's right... Hyper-V is picky. I've been using ESXi so long I forgot that. ;-) -sc From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options Some

RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-18 Thread John Cook
, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options Some of the VM packages like Hyper-V will not even install if the BIOS/chip set do not support

RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-18 Thread Steven M. Caesare
ESX(i)will install on 32 bit/non VT-capable hardware. Hyper-V won't. -sc From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options He'd have to check his

RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-18 Thread John Cook
-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options ESX(i)will install on 32 bit/non VT-capable hardware. Hyper-V won't. -sc

Re: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-18 Thread Jon Harris
*To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options Some of the VM packages like Hyper-V will not even install if the BIOS/chip set do not support virtualization. I don't know so am not commenting beyond that. I don't know what

Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-17 Thread aci
Inheriting some very problematic XP workstations with embedded applications that have no way of being migrated and need to be preserved. I would like to make a recommendation to run these as virtualized workstations on a spare server that I have the option of dedicating for this task. Outside

RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-17 Thread David L Herrick
http://www.amazon.com/Virtualization-Dummies-Computer-Tech/dp/0470148314 -Original Message- From: aci [mailto:tkcont...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 1:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options Inheriting some very

RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-17 Thread N Parr
Message- From: aci [mailto:tkcont...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options Inheriting some very problematic XP workstations with embedded applications that have no way of being migrated

RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-17 Thread aci
[quote]If you are just preserving and they don't need to all be on at the same time then take your spare server and put Free VMWare server or ESXi on it. Then use converter to P2V the xp workstations. No cost if you have all the hardware. http://vmware.com/products/product_index.html[/quote] I

RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-17 Thread N Parr
System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options [quote]If you are just preserving and they don't need to all be on at the same time then take your spare server and put Free VMWare server or ESXi on it. Then use converter to P2V the xp workstations. No cost

Re: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-17 Thread Ben Scott
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:17 PM, aci tkcont...@yahoo.com wrote: XP workstations with embedded applications that have no way of being migrated and need to be preserved. First, do the embedded applications have any special hardware associated with them? Especially hardware license keys

Re: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-17 Thread Ben Scott
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, aci tkcont...@yahoo.com wrote: I understand just preserving However, I am wondering exactly what you mean when you say, not all be on at the same time... A VM you've imported is just like the real computer. If you have both the VM and the original physical

Re: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-17 Thread aci
The server that I have to dedicate to it is a very robust dual quad core, 16 GB RAM, 85 GB Raid1 OS drive 350 GB raid-5 data drive system with a nice 200 GB internal tape drive thrown in and DRAC, too if I am not mistaken...was about 12 grand when Dell donated it to our organization almost two

RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-17 Thread John Cook
- From: aci [mailto:tkcont...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options The server that I have to dedicate to it is a very robust dual quad core, 16 GB RAM, 85 GB Raid1 OS drive 350 GB raid-5

RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-17 Thread aci
I understand about the OEM versus Volume licenses issues. However, does VM check for license compliance before it will either virtualize the system or host virtual sessions? or are we talking just about being in compliance just to keep it legal? Thanks Aci ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security

RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-17 Thread Webb, Brian (Corp)
Issues Subject: Re: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options The server that I have to dedicate to it is a very robust dual quad core, 16 GB RAM, 85 GB Raid1 OS drive 350 GB raid-5 data drive system with a nice 200 GB internal tape drive thrown in and DRAC, too if I am not mistaken

RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-17 Thread Steven M. Caesare
: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options Since these are XP machines you will not be able to have multiple instances of single machine running at once - the section highlighted below is not correct. -Brian -Original Message- From: aci [mailto:tkcont...@yahoo.com

Re: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-17 Thread John Cook
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wed Jun 17 17:45:22 2009 Subject: RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options I understand about the OEM versus Volume licenses issues. However, does VM check for license compliance before it will either

RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-17 Thread Eldridge, Dave
or hopefully call MS and get them to reactivate. -Original Message- From: aci [mailto:tkcont...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options I understand about the OEM versus Volume licenses

RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-17 Thread Eldridge, Dave
:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options Since these are XP machines you will not be able to have multiple instances of single machine running at once - the section highlighted below is not correct. -Brian -Original Message

RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-17 Thread Steven M. Caesare
New versions of Remote Desktop can span, but it's not bulletproof. -sc From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:d...@parkviewmc.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options someone mentioned to me

Re: Dying XP workstations - what are my virtualization options

2009-06-17 Thread Ben Scott
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:58 PM, aci tkcont...@yahoo.com wrote: ... graphics editing software ... As someone else said, you probably won't get acceptable performance out of graphics editing software on anything but a real hardware display. Both VM and RDP lose practically all hardware