RE: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-20 Thread Ziots, Edward
, Network +, Security + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization Email:ezi...@lifespan.org Cell:401-639-3505 From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 5:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Thought on malware cleaning Don’t hold back ( MMF

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-20 Thread Jon Harris
Lifespan Organization Email:ezi...@lifespan.org Cell:401-639-3505 [image: CISSP_logo] *From:* MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 19, 2011 5:48 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Thought on malware cleaning ** ** Don’t hold back

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-19 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
1:12 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Thought on malware cleaning Maybe I'm nuts. Maybe I'm sick of dealing with malware. But I have some very simple questions about things I almost ALWAYS see on infected systems. Perhaps someone here can clarify something for me that I have yet

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-19 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: While I agree with your sentiment whole-heartedly, I still wonder why antimalware software isnt performing the most basic of checks for common infection breadcrumbs. Hammer myopia. (When all you have is

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-19 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
Well that's f'ing helpful. Good luck on educating the planet with a more logical course of action. Let us know how that works-out for you! -- Espi On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-19 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
On that note, I'm going to go on my lunch break now. Here's what I'll do: I'm going to close my eyes and walk in the direction of my car. Screw anything I walk into, because logically there should be doors that automatically open in the direction I need to go. Screw how things currently exist,

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-19 Thread Daniel Rodriguez
Just be glad that I am not the person to come and help you when you run into a wall. I'll just point you into another wall, or worse, a hallway plant of some sort, and watch you fall down, hoping that the floor will 'give way to your will' and watch you either fall flat on your face, or go

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-19 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: While I agree with your sentiment whole-heartedly, I still wonder why antimalware software isnt performing the most basic of checks for common infection breadcrumbs. Hammer myopia. Well that's f'ing

RE: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-19 Thread Erik Goldoff
is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 4:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Thought on malware cleaning On that note, I'm going to go on my lunch break now. Here's what I'll do: I'm

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-19 Thread MMF
Don’t hold back ( MMF From: Micheal Espinola Jr Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Thought on malware cleaning On that note, I'm going to go on my lunch break now. Here's what I'll do: I'm going to close my eyes and walk in the direction of my

RE: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-18 Thread Stu Sjouwerman
] Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Thought on malware cleaning Maybe I'm nuts. Maybe I'm sick of dealing with malware. But I have some very simple questions about things I almost ALWAYS see on infected systems. Perhaps someone here can clarify something

RE: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-14 Thread Ken Schaefer
legitimate for vendors to put files there down the track. Cheers Ken From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2011 5:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Thought on malware cleaning I'm all for leaving it open. But it should be checked by AV software

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-14 Thread James Rankin
Subject: Re: Thought on malware cleaning I'm all for leaving it open. But it should be checked by AV software and related tools. its just common sense. there is almost always infection there. There and some other common locations should be checked. Any apps present should be checked

RE: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-14 Thread Ziots, Edward
+ Security Engineer Lifespan Organization Email:ezi...@lifespan.org Cell:401-639-3505 From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Thought on malware cleaning My point is that it's common simply

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-14 Thread James Rankin
Lifespan Organization Email:ezi...@lifespan.org Cell:401-639-3505 [image: CISSP_logo] ** ** *From:* Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:41 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Thought on malware cleaning

Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
Maybe I'm nuts. Maybe I'm sick of dealing with malware. But I have some very simple questions about things I almost ALWAYS see on infected systems. Perhaps someone here can clarify something for me that I have yet to see Microsoft and any antivirus vender directly address. I'm gonna start this

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Jeff Bunting
There's a desktop.ini file in mine but no other ones. You might be interested in taking a look at the VB script here, which I've found to be useful: http://www.silentrunners.org/ There is a list of launch points the script checks, notated with which OS they are applicable to on the web site.

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Erik Goldoff
What I would like to see from the OS is something like a trimmed down version of UAC *just for the malware load points* !!! A permission / integrity monitor that prompts and/or logs whever a RUN key is altered, whenever a scheduled task is created, whenever a link is added to the STARTUP group,

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Erik Goldoff
and as to Maybe I'm nuts. , isn't that a separate issue ??? grin On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I'm nuts. Maybe I'm sick of dealing with malware. But I have some very simple questions about things I almost ALWAYS see on infected

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
That's certainly helpful, thank you. I had forgot about that script. It may have reusable code. -- Espi On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Jeff Bunting bunting.j...@gmail.comwrote: There's a desktop.ini file in mine but no other ones. You might be interested in taking a look at the VB

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
Exactly. And thats what I'm starting to pull-together. I'm really fed up with this nonsense. -- Espi On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com wrote: What I would like to see from the OS is something like a trimmed down version of UAC *just for the malware load

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
To be addressed at a later date, yes. ;-) -- Espi On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com wrote: and as to Maybe I'm nuts. , isn't that a separate issue ??? grin On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Kurt Buff
Oh, no - I think you should rewrite it in powershell... Heh. Seriously though, this looks like a good project. On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:18, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: That's certainly helpful, thank you.  I had forgot about that script.  It may have reusable code.

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Harry Singh
What have you been using to remove the malware ? The support team here have been dealing wit increased occurrences more frequently, even with the machines being patched and the logged on users having the bare minmum of permissions. I don't have any whitelisting software or any GPO's that lock down

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
Its been a while for me, but I'm re-investigating the ability to lock down these folders at certain generic levels without interfering with things too much. Better still I think (because there will always be miss-configured systems), I'm working on something to check these things, match to the

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Andrew S. Baker
What OSes are you seeing this with, btw? * * *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I'm nuts. Maybe I'm sick of dealing with malware.

RE: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Ziots, Edward
, 2011 2:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Thought on malware cleaning To be addressed at a later date, yes. ;-) -- Espi On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com wrote: and as to Maybe I'm nuts. , isn't that a separate issue ??? grin On Wed, Jul

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Thought on malware cleaning ** ** To be addressed at a later date, yes. ;-) -- Espi ** ** ** ** On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com wrote: and as to Maybe I'm nuts. , isn't that a separate issue

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
Mostly XP (with new extended life-cycle!), but Vista and 7 as well. -- Espi On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: What OSes are you seeing this with, btw? * * *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the

RE: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Crawford, Scott
Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Thought on malware cleaning Very true, but there some very basic things that can be checked and have some very basic logic applied to take action on. Why this isnt addressed

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
:* Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:25 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Thought on malware cleaning ** ** Very true, but there some very basic things that can be checked and have some very basic logic applied to take

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Angus Scott-Fleming
On 13 Jul 2011 at 14:08, Erik Goldoff wrote: What I would like to see from the OS is something like a trimmed down version of UAC *just for the malware load points* !!! A permission / integrity monitor that prompts and/or logs whever a RUN key is altered, whenever a scheduled task is created,

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread James Kerr
Those malwares doesn't bother me, people bring me personal machines, which I get to fix and make money on the side to fund my hobbies. :-) James On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming angu...@geoapps.comwrote: On 13 Jul 2011 at 14:08, Erik Goldoff wrote: What I would like to

RE: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Crawford, Scott
, July 13, 2011 2:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Thought on malware cleaning Thats not my solution. my solution is to check these types of folders and match against the registry. Its a very common occurance in my experience, and would add lots of value when they are found. -- Espi

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
2:52 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Thought on malware cleaning ** ** Thats not my solution. my solution is to check these types of folders and match against the registry. Its a very common occurance in my experience, and would add lots of value when they are found

RE: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Crawford, Scott
: Thought on malware cleaning While I agree with whitelisting, and I believe its a reasonable solution at this point. The original intent of this post and what I am proposing dont involve whitelisting. -- Espi On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Crawford, Scott crawfo

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
, 2011 3:50 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Thought on malware cleaning ** ** While I agree with whitelisting, and I believe its a reasonable solution at this point. The original intent of this post and what I am proposing dont involve whitelisting. -- Espi

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread kz20fl
Jul 2011 14:04:17 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: Thought on malware cleaning I'm all for leaving it open. But it should be checked by AV software and related tools. its just

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Harry Singh
: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: Thought on malware cleaning I'm all for leaving it open.  But it should be checked by AV software and related tools.  its just common sense.  there is almost always infection there.  There and some other common

Re: Thought on malware cleaning

2011-07-13 Thread Steven Peck
Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: Thought on malware cleaning I'm all for leaving it open. But it should be checked by AV software and related tools. its just common sense. there is almost always infection there. There and some other common locations should