Winter birding at Bryant Park is an affair of attrition, the contradictory
activity of not finding, is it really gone? For those hardy species willing to
stay, it is not changes in weather but sustenance that is the major decider,
although the two are generally linked. The last surviving tiny
- RBA
* New York
* Buffalo
* 01/16/2014
* NYBU1401.16
- Birds mentioned
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Please submit reports to
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TUFTED DUCK [January 9 only]
EVENING GROSBEAK
KING EIDER
Hi all,
Sadly, I am not nearly well read enough on the subject of Iceland/Thayer's Gull
but I am thoroughly enjoying reading the thoughts of others.
Is there any evidence to suggest that the variation in wingtip pigmentation is
clinal throughout the breeding range of 'Kumlien's Gull'?
With
This seems like a very ambitious (read: challenging) endeavor given the
large numbers of Mute Swans that we now have in NYS, especially in coastal
areas were they occur just about everywhere (fresh and brackish habitats).
This is compounded by the fact that neighboring states and provinces also
Dear Christina
While Mute Swans are indeed spectacular birds and it is not their fault that
they are here, they are nevertheless an invasive, non-native species and
detrimental to native wildlife. A quick Google search will find many examples
of problems caused to native avifauna and habitat,
Stephane Perrault found a BLACK-HEADED GULL on Little Neck Bay, Queens about
3:00 this afternoon. This was his report to the local group:
"Currently viewed 30 yards from walkway. First open space N of N boulevard.
Park At alley pond environmental center. Take bicycle path N along
Very fascinating discussion and a welcome respite from the usual reports.
The "Iceland Gull" complex on the taxonomy of Thayer's, Kumlien’s and
Iceland Gull is a much discussed topic that I don't see ending any time
soon.
The argument for hybridization between Iceland (glaucoides) and Thayer's
Pink footed goose found by Arie Gilbert in field east of Roanoke Ave in
Riverhead was present with flock of Canada's until 4:05pm, when it flew
towards the south with two Canada's.
Birds are flying out now.
Thanks,
Tim Dunn
Sent from my iPhone
--
NYSbirds-L List Info:
The Pink-footed Goose just took off from the field shown in Arie's coordinates.
It headed south with a sub flock of 9 Canada Geese.
Best,
Derek Rogers
Sayville
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Arie Gilbert
> Date: January 16, 2014 at 2:44:24 PM EST
> To: "NYSBIRDS-L@cornell edu"
> Subject:
Phil's point is true and I don't believe I was a proponent of stating that I
didn't think hybridization was a likely cause. I am just not well-read or
informed at all about what really is going on with the whole Iceland-Thayer's
relationship..it is a murky gene pool with no lifeguard.
Julian
To me it makes no more sense to dismiss hybridization amongst those two
species as a mechanism for primary darkening than it does to invoke it.
Just because it's not proven doesn't mean the alternative is true either.
It would be one thing if, say, glaucoides in Iceland (the country) were
http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7076.html
First they killed geese, then owls, now they want to do it to swans.
When will this ever end?
Christina
--
NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES
Beeing seen now in field also with Tunda Swan and 1000canada geese
Here is a link to my current location:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=loc:40.96396,-72.699385
01/16/2014
01/16/2014 @ 2:44 PM
Arie Gilbert
No. Baylon NY
Sent from "Loretta IV" in the field
--
NYSbirds-L List Info:
Shai distilled down some common-sensical aspect of the complications
surrounding Iceland Gulls and what our perceptions are about how solid these
are as a taxon. As an exiled Brit, I grew up on nominate glaucoides Iceland
Gull and it often involved searching through these for a vagrant kumlieni
Just watched a pair of Peregrines fly from the steeple of St. Paul's at
Court/Congress. The pair were perching on either side of the cross, and flew
east down Bergen before turning left, or north. That's the direction of the
scrape at the Brooklyn House of Detention on Atlantic. Love must be in
Given that this conversation found me four times independently in one day, I
think it's worth at least collecting some of the threads, if not measuring them
or tying them together!
My perception is that the Iceland Gulls I see on Long Island and in coastal
southern New England are very
New York Birders!
My name is Dorian Anderson, and I am happy to announce that Biking for
Birds, my 2014 bicycle big year project, will be rolling into New York some
time around January 19th or 20th. The basic idea is that I am doing a
nationwide big year in 2014 using only a bicycle. I am using
New York Birders!
My name is Dorian Anderson, and I am happy to announce that Biking for
Birds, my 2014 bicycle big year project, will be rolling into New York some
time around January 19th or 20th. The basic idea is that I am doing a
nationwide big year in 2014 using only a bicycle. I am using
Given that this conversation found me four times independently in one day, I
think it's worth at least collecting some of the threads, if not measuring them
or tying them together!
My perception is that the Iceland Gulls I see on Long Island and in coastal
southern New England are very
Just watched a pair of Peregrines fly from the steeple of St. Paul's at
Court/Congress. The pair were perching on either side of the cross, and flew
east down Bergen before turning left, or north. That's the direction of the
scrape at the Brooklyn House of Detention on Atlantic. Love must be in
Shai distilled down some common-sensical aspect of the complications
surrounding Iceland Gulls and what our perceptions are about how solid these
are as a taxon. As an exiled Brit, I grew up on nominate glaucoides Iceland
Gull and it often involved searching through these for a vagrant kumlieni
Beeing seen now in field also with Tunda Swan and 1000canada geese
Here is a link to my current location:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=loc:40.96396,-72.699385
01/16/2014
01/16/2014 @ 2:44 PM
Arie Gilbert
No. Baylon NY
Sent from Loretta IV in the field
--
NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7076.html
First they killed geese, then owls, now they want to do it to swans.
When will this ever end?
Christina
--
NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES
To me it makes no more sense to dismiss hybridization amongst those two
species as a mechanism for primary darkening than it does to invoke it.
Just because it's not proven doesn't mean the alternative is true either.
It would be one thing if, say, glaucoides in Iceland (the country) were
The Pink-footed Goose just took off from the field shown in Arie's coordinates.
It headed south with a sub flock of 9 Canada Geese.
Best,
Derek Rogers
Sayville
Begin forwarded message:
From: Arie Gilbert ariegilb...@optonline.net
Date: January 16, 2014 at 2:44:24 PM EST
To:
Pink footed goose found by Arie Gilbert in field east of Roanoke Ave in
Riverhead was present with flock of Canada's until 4:05pm, when it flew
towards the south with two Canada's.
Birds are flying out now.
Thanks,
Tim Dunn
Sent from my iPhone
--
NYSbirds-L List Info:
Very fascinating discussion and a welcome respite from the usual reports.
The Iceland Gull complex on the taxonomy of Thayer's, Kumlien’s and
Iceland Gull is a much discussed topic that I don't see ending any time
soon.
The argument for hybridization between Iceland (glaucoides) and Thayer's
have
Stephane Perrault found a BLACK-HEADED GULL on Little Neck Bay, Queens about
3:00 this afternoon. This was his report to the local group:
Currently viewed 30 yards from walkway. First open space N of N boulevard.
Park At alley pond environmental center. Take bicycle path N along
Dear Christina
While Mute Swans are indeed spectacular birds and it is not their fault that
they are here, they are nevertheless an invasive, non-native species and
detrimental to native wildlife. A quick Google search will find many examples
of problems caused to native avifauna and habitat,
This seems like a very ambitious (read: challenging) endeavor given the
large numbers of Mute Swans that we now have in NYS, especially in coastal
areas were they occur just about everywhere (fresh and brackish habitats).
This is compounded by the fact that neighboring states and provinces also
Hi all,
Sadly, I am not nearly well read enough on the subject of Iceland/Thayer's Gull
but I am thoroughly enjoying reading the thoughts of others.
Is there any evidence to suggest that the variation in wingtip pigmentation is
clinal throughout the breeding range of 'Kumlien's Gull'?
With
- RBA
* New York
* Buffalo
* 01/16/2014
* NYBU1401.16
- Birds mentioned
---
Please submit reports to
dsu...@buffaloornithologicalsociety.org
---
TUFTED DUCK [January 9 only]
EVENING GROSBEAK
KING EIDER
Winter birding at Bryant Park is an affair of attrition, the contradictory
activity of not finding, is it really gone? For those hardy species willing to
stay, it is not changes in weather but sustenance that is the major decider,
although the two are generally linked. The last surviving tiny
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