[nysbirds-l] Midtown Birding

2014-01-16 Thread Alan Drogin
Winter birding at Bryant Park is an affair of attrition, the contradictory activity of not finding, is it really gone? For those hardy species willing to stay, it is not changes in weather but sustenance that is the major decider, although the two are generally linked. The last surviving tiny

[nysbirds-l] RBA Buffalo Bird Report 16 Jan 2014

2014-01-16 Thread David Suggs
- RBA * New York * Buffalo * 01/16/2014 * NYBU1401.16 - Birds mentioned --- Please submit reports to dsu...@buffaloornithologicalsociety.org --- TUFTED DUCK [January 9 only] EVENING GROSBEAK KING EIDER

Re: [nysbirds-l] About Iceland Gulls

2014-01-16 Thread Peter Morris
Hi all,  Sadly, I am not nearly well read enough on the subject of Iceland/Thayer's Gull but I am thoroughly enjoying reading the thoughts of others. Is there any evidence to suggest that the variation in wingtip pigmentation is clinal throughout the breeding range of 'Kumlien's Gull'?  With

Re: [nysbirds-l] DEC's Mute Swan management plan

2014-01-16 Thread Angus Wilson
This seems like a very ambitious (read: challenging) endeavor given the large numbers of Mute Swans that we now have in NYS, especially in coastal areas were they occur just about everywhere (fresh and brackish habitats). This is compounded by the fact that neighboring states and provinces also

RE: [nysbirds-l] DEC's Mute Swan management plan

2014-01-16 Thread Paul R Sweet
Dear Christina While Mute Swans are indeed spectacular birds and it is not their fault that they are here, they are nevertheless an invasive, non-native species and detrimental to native wildlife. A quick Google search will find many examples of problems caused to native avifauna and habitat,

[nysbirds-l] Black-headed Gull in Queens

2014-01-16 Thread Steve Walter
Stephane Perrault found a BLACK-HEADED GULL on Little Neck Bay, Queens about 3:00 this afternoon. This was his report to the local group: "Currently viewed 30 yards from walkway. First open space N of N boulevard. Park At alley pond environmental center. Take bicycle path N along

Re: [nysbirds-l] Iceland gulls

2014-01-16 Thread Andrew Baksh
Very fascinating discussion and a welcome respite from the usual reports. The "Iceland Gull" complex on the taxonomy of Thayer's, Kumlien’s and Iceland Gull is a much discussed topic that I don't see ending any time soon. The argument for hybridization between Iceland (glaucoides) and Thayer's

[nysbirds-l] Pink-footed Goose

2014-01-16 Thread Tim Dunn
Pink footed goose found by Arie Gilbert in field east of Roanoke Ave in Riverhead was present with flock of Canada's until 4:05pm, when it flew towards the south with two Canada's. Birds are flying out now. Thanks, Tim Dunn Sent from my iPhone -- NYSbirds-L List Info:

Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Pnkfooted goose Riverhead

2014-01-16 Thread Derek Rogers
The Pink-footed Goose just took off from the field shown in Arie's coordinates. It headed south with a sub flock of 9 Canada Geese. Best, Derek Rogers Sayville Begin forwarded message: > From: Arie Gilbert > Date: January 16, 2014 at 2:44:24 PM EST > To: "NYSBIRDS-L@cornell edu" > Subject:

Re: [nysbirds-l] Iceland gulls

2014-01-16 Thread julian hough
Phil's point is true and I don't believe I was a proponent of stating that I didn't think hybridization was a likely cause. I am just not well-read or informed at all about what really is going on with the whole Iceland-Thayer's relationship..it is a murky gene pool with no lifeguard.    Julian

Re: [nysbirds-l] Iceland gulls

2014-01-16 Thread Phil Jeffrey
To me it makes no more sense to dismiss hybridization amongst those two species as a mechanism for primary darkening than it does to invoke it. Just because it's not proven doesn't mean the alternative is true either. It would be one thing if, say, glaucoides in Iceland (the country) were

[nysbirds-l] DEC's Mute Swan management plan

2014-01-16 Thread Christina Wilkinson
http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7076.html First they killed geese, then owls, now they want to do it to swans. When will this ever end? Christina -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES

[nysbirds-l] Pnkfooted goose Riverhead

2014-01-16 Thread Arie Gilbert
Beeing seen now in field also with Tunda Swan and 1000canada geese Here is a link to my current location: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=loc:40.96396,-72.699385 01/16/2014  01/16/2014 @ 2:44 PM Arie Gilbert No. Baylon NY   Sent from "Loretta IV" in the field -- NYSbirds-L List Info:

[nysbirds-l] Iceland gulls

2014-01-16 Thread julian hough
Shai distilled down some common-sensical aspect of the complications surrounding Iceland Gulls and what our perceptions are about how solid these are as a taxon. As an exiled Brit, I grew up on nominate glaucoides Iceland Gull and it often involved searching through these for a vagrant kumlieni

[nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Peregrines

2014-01-16 Thread Matthew Wills
Just watched a pair of Peregrines fly from the steeple of St. Paul's at Court/Congress. The pair were perching on either side of the cross, and flew east down Bergen before turning left, or north. That's the direction of the scrape at the Brooklyn House of Detention on Atlantic. Love must be in

RE: [nysbirds-l] About Iceland Gulls

2014-01-16 Thread Shaibal Mitra
Given that this conversation found me four times independently in one day, I think it's worth at least collecting some of the threads, if not measuring them or tying them together! My perception is that the Iceland Gulls I see on Long Island and in coastal southern New England are very

[nysbirds-l] Biking for Birds rides into New York

2014-01-16 Thread Angus Wilson
New York Birders! My name is Dorian Anderson, and I am happy to announce that Biking for Birds, my 2014 bicycle big year project, will be rolling into New York some time around January 19th or 20th. The basic idea is that I am doing a nationwide big year in 2014 using only a bicycle. I am using

[nysbirds-l] Biking for Birds rides into New York

2014-01-16 Thread Angus Wilson
New York Birders! My name is Dorian Anderson, and I am happy to announce that Biking for Birds, my 2014 bicycle big year project, will be rolling into New York some time around January 19th or 20th. The basic idea is that I am doing a nationwide big year in 2014 using only a bicycle. I am using

RE: [nysbirds-l] About Iceland Gulls

2014-01-16 Thread Shaibal Mitra
Given that this conversation found me four times independently in one day, I think it's worth at least collecting some of the threads, if not measuring them or tying them together! My perception is that the Iceland Gulls I see on Long Island and in coastal southern New England are very

[nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Peregrines

2014-01-16 Thread Matthew Wills
Just watched a pair of Peregrines fly from the steeple of St. Paul's at Court/Congress. The pair were perching on either side of the cross, and flew east down Bergen before turning left, or north. That's the direction of the scrape at the Brooklyn House of Detention on Atlantic. Love must be in

[nysbirds-l] Iceland gulls

2014-01-16 Thread julian hough
Shai distilled down some common-sensical aspect of the complications surrounding Iceland Gulls and what our perceptions are about how solid these are as a taxon. As an exiled Brit, I grew up on nominate glaucoides Iceland Gull and it often involved searching through these for a vagrant kumlieni

[nysbirds-l] Pnkfooted goose Riverhead

2014-01-16 Thread Arie Gilbert
Beeing seen now in field also with Tunda Swan and 1000canada geese Here is a link to my current location: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=loc:40.96396,-72.699385 01/16/2014  01/16/2014 @ 2:44 PM Arie Gilbert No. Baylon NY   Sent from Loretta IV in the field -- NYSbirds-L List Info:

[nysbirds-l] DEC's Mute Swan management plan

2014-01-16 Thread Christina Wilkinson
http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7076.html First they killed geese, then owls, now they want to do it to swans. When will this ever end? Christina -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES

Re: [nysbirds-l] Iceland gulls

2014-01-16 Thread Phil Jeffrey
To me it makes no more sense to dismiss hybridization amongst those two species as a mechanism for primary darkening than it does to invoke it. Just because it's not proven doesn't mean the alternative is true either. It would be one thing if, say, glaucoides in Iceland (the country) were

Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Pnkfooted goose Riverhead

2014-01-16 Thread Derek Rogers
The Pink-footed Goose just took off from the field shown in Arie's coordinates. It headed south with a sub flock of 9 Canada Geese. Best, Derek Rogers Sayville Begin forwarded message: From: Arie Gilbert ariegilb...@optonline.net Date: January 16, 2014 at 2:44:24 PM EST To:

[nysbirds-l] Pink-footed Goose

2014-01-16 Thread Tim Dunn
Pink footed goose found by Arie Gilbert in field east of Roanoke Ave in Riverhead was present with flock of Canada's until 4:05pm, when it flew towards the south with two Canada's. Birds are flying out now. Thanks, Tim Dunn Sent from my iPhone -- NYSbirds-L List Info:

Re: [nysbirds-l] Iceland gulls

2014-01-16 Thread Andrew Baksh
Very fascinating discussion and a welcome respite from the usual reports. The Iceland Gull complex on the taxonomy of Thayer's, Kumlien’s and Iceland Gull is a much discussed topic that I don't see ending any time soon. The argument for hybridization between Iceland (glaucoides) and Thayer's have

[nysbirds-l] Black-headed Gull in Queens

2014-01-16 Thread Steve Walter
Stephane Perrault found a BLACK-HEADED GULL on Little Neck Bay, Queens about 3:00 this afternoon. This was his report to the local group: Currently viewed 30 yards from walkway. First open space N of N boulevard. Park At alley pond environmental center. Take bicycle path N along

RE: [nysbirds-l] DEC's Mute Swan management plan

2014-01-16 Thread Paul R Sweet
Dear Christina While Mute Swans are indeed spectacular birds and it is not their fault that they are here, they are nevertheless an invasive, non-native species and detrimental to native wildlife. A quick Google search will find many examples of problems caused to native avifauna and habitat,

Re: [nysbirds-l] DEC's Mute Swan management plan

2014-01-16 Thread Angus Wilson
This seems like a very ambitious (read: challenging) endeavor given the large numbers of Mute Swans that we now have in NYS, especially in coastal areas were they occur just about everywhere (fresh and brackish habitats). This is compounded by the fact that neighboring states and provinces also

Re: [nysbirds-l] About Iceland Gulls

2014-01-16 Thread Peter Morris
Hi all,  Sadly, I am not nearly well read enough on the subject of Iceland/Thayer's Gull but I am thoroughly enjoying reading the thoughts of others. Is there any evidence to suggest that the variation in wingtip pigmentation is clinal throughout the breeding range of 'Kumlien's Gull'?  With

[nysbirds-l] RBA Buffalo Bird Report 16 Jan 2014

2014-01-16 Thread David Suggs
- RBA * New York * Buffalo * 01/16/2014 * NYBU1401.16 - Birds mentioned --- Please submit reports to dsu...@buffaloornithologicalsociety.org --- TUFTED DUCK [January 9 only] EVENING GROSBEAK KING EIDER

[nysbirds-l] Midtown Birding

2014-01-16 Thread Alan Drogin
Winter birding at Bryant Park is an affair of attrition, the contradictory activity of not finding, is it really gone? For those hardy species willing to stay, it is not changes in weather but sustenance that is the major decider, although the two are generally linked. The last surviving tiny