Re: [nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

2021-07-29 Thread Donna Schulman 
Some of these questions are answered on the ABA Listing & Taxonomy
website:  https://www.aba.org/listing-taxonomy/ and
https://www.aba.org/aba-recording-rules-and-interpretations/

Example:
RULE 4: Diagnostic characteristics, sufficient for the recorder to identify
it to species, must have been seen and/or heard and/or documented for the
bird encountered.

A. “Diagnostic characteristics” means the natural characteristics needed to
uniquely determine the species of the bird. It is not necessary to
experience every possible diagnostic characteristic, but simply sufficient
characteristics to eliminate the possibility of the bird being any other
species.

(i) Identification of the bird may be made after the initial encounter. It
is not always possible to secure a positive identification initially, but,
using physical and/or written documentation, identification is sometimes
possible after the fact, upon consultation of references and/or other
authorities. With very tricky identifications, for example, photographs or
recordings sometimes reveal minute, yet critical, details that were not
discernible during the initial encounter. Furthermore, our knowledge of how
to separate similar species in the field is continually advancing. On rare
occasions, a species may not be identifiable until after it has been
captured and studied in the hand, or had feather and blood samples
analyzed. In such instances of “after-the-fact” ID, the bird may be counted
on one’s lists.


Donna

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On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 10:55 AM John Kent  wrote:

> Another question that occurred to me -- what about birds that people
> photograph but don't notice until they are reviewing photos later? That's
> fine for eBird, assuming the photo is unambiguous, but for ABA listing?
>
> John Kent
>
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, at 10:40 AM, Richard Guthrie wrote:
>
> Remote birding
>
> If the bird is there, there it is. No matter how it is detected.
>
> How that knowledge is used is a different matter.
>
> eBird even has a category for accepting records derived from night calls
> monitored by digital recording devices and introduced by later downloads
> into the database.
>
> But a bird viewed at a feeder cam isn't acceptable.
>
> I can understand that we don't want several hundred reports of the same
> vagrant at a feeder entered into the data. But at least one entry ought to
> be acceptable. All the other duplicates (except perhaps for subsequent
> dates ) could be disregarded. But, wait. Don't we accept dozens of reports
> of the same rarity reported by many observers at a stakeout? This is how
> programmers earn their keep.
>
> Rich Guthrie
> New Baltimore,
> The Greene County,
> New York
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:10 PM  wrote:
>
> Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
>
>
>
> Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton
> Beach Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
>
>
>
> I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB
> Gull. Would these count for Suffolk?
>
>
>
> With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on
> your retinas.
>
>
>
> With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and
> ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused
> on my retinas.
>
> Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
>
>
>
> I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time,
> and very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him
> playing catch with a football passing machine).
>
>
>
> What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor
> one day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
>
>
>
> The problems of the modern age.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

2021-07-29 Thread Donna Schulman 
Some of these questions are answered on the ABA Listing & Taxonomy
website:  https://www.aba.org/listing-taxonomy/ and
https://www.aba.org/aba-recording-rules-and-interpretations/

Example:
RULE 4: Diagnostic characteristics, sufficient for the recorder to identify
it to species, must have been seen and/or heard and/or documented for the
bird encountered.

A. “Diagnostic characteristics” means the natural characteristics needed to
uniquely determine the species of the bird. It is not necessary to
experience every possible diagnostic characteristic, but simply sufficient
characteristics to eliminate the possibility of the bird being any other
species.

(i) Identification of the bird may be made after the initial encounter. It
is not always possible to secure a positive identification initially, but,
using physical and/or written documentation, identification is sometimes
possible after the fact, upon consultation of references and/or other
authorities. With very tricky identifications, for example, photographs or
recordings sometimes reveal minute, yet critical, details that were not
discernible during the initial encounter. Furthermore, our knowledge of how
to separate similar species in the field is continually advancing. On rare
occasions, a species may not be identifiable until after it has been
captured and studied in the hand, or had feather and blood samples
analyzed. In such instances of “after-the-fact” ID, the bird may be counted
on one’s lists.


Donna

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*


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On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 10:55 AM John Kent  wrote:

> Another question that occurred to me -- what about birds that people
> photograph but don't notice until they are reviewing photos later? That's
> fine for eBird, assuming the photo is unambiguous, but for ABA listing?
>
> John Kent
>
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, at 10:40 AM, Richard Guthrie wrote:
>
> Remote birding
>
> If the bird is there, there it is. No matter how it is detected.
>
> How that knowledge is used is a different matter.
>
> eBird even has a category for accepting records derived from night calls
> monitored by digital recording devices and introduced by later downloads
> into the database.
>
> But a bird viewed at a feeder cam isn't acceptable.
>
> I can understand that we don't want several hundred reports of the same
> vagrant at a feeder entered into the data. But at least one entry ought to
> be acceptable. All the other duplicates (except perhaps for subsequent
> dates ) could be disregarded. But, wait. Don't we accept dozens of reports
> of the same rarity reported by many observers at a stakeout? This is how
> programmers earn their keep.
>
> Rich Guthrie
> New Baltimore,
> The Greene County,
> New York
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:10 PM  wrote:
>
> Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
>
>
>
> Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton
> Beach Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
>
>
>
> I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB
> Gull. Would these count for Suffolk?
>
>
>
> With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on
> your retinas.
>
>
>
> With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and
> ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused
> on my retinas.
>
> Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
>
>
>
> I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time,
> and very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him
> playing catch with a football passing machine).
>
>
>
> What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor
> one day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
>
>
>
> The problems of the modern age.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

2021-07-29 Thread John Kent 
Another question that occurred to me -- what about birds that people photograph 
but don't notice until they are reviewing photos later? That's fine for eBird, 
assuming the photo is unambiguous, but for ABA listing?

John Kent

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, at 10:40 AM, Richard Guthrie wrote:
> Remote birding
> 
> If the bird is there, there it is. No matter how it is detected. 
> 
> How that knowledge is used is a different matter.
> 
> eBird even has a category for accepting records derived from night calls 
> monitored by digital recording devices and introduced by later downloads into 
> the database. 
> 
> But a bird viewed at a feeder cam isn't acceptable.
> 
> I can understand that we don't want several hundred reports of the same 
> vagrant at a feeder entered into the data. But at least one entry ought to be 
> acceptable. All the other duplicates (except perhaps for subsequent dates ) 
> could be disregarded. But, wait. Don't we accept dozens of reports of the 
> same rarity reported by many observers at a stakeout? This is how programmers 
> earn their keep. 
> 
> Rich Guthrie
> New Baltimore,
> The Greene County,
> New York
> 
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:10 PM  wrote:
>> Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
>> __ __
>> Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton 
>> Beach Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
>> __ __
>> I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB 
>> Gull. Would these count for Suffolk?
>> __ __
>> With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on your 
>> retinas.
>> __ __
>> With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and 
>> ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused on 
>> my retinas.
>> Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
>> __ __
>> I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time, 
>> and very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him playing 
>> catch with a football passing machine).
>> __ __
>> What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor 
>> one day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
>> __ __
>> The problems of the modern age.
>> __ __
>> __ __
>> __ __
>> __ __
>> __ __
>> __ __
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

2021-07-29 Thread John Kent 
Another question that occurred to me -- what about birds that people photograph 
but don't notice until they are reviewing photos later? That's fine for eBird, 
assuming the photo is unambiguous, but for ABA listing?

John Kent

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, at 10:40 AM, Richard Guthrie wrote:
> Remote birding
> 
> If the bird is there, there it is. No matter how it is detected. 
> 
> How that knowledge is used is a different matter.
> 
> eBird even has a category for accepting records derived from night calls 
> monitored by digital recording devices and introduced by later downloads into 
> the database. 
> 
> But a bird viewed at a feeder cam isn't acceptable.
> 
> I can understand that we don't want several hundred reports of the same 
> vagrant at a feeder entered into the data. But at least one entry ought to be 
> acceptable. All the other duplicates (except perhaps for subsequent dates ) 
> could be disregarded. But, wait. Don't we accept dozens of reports of the 
> same rarity reported by many observers at a stakeout? This is how programmers 
> earn their keep. 
> 
> Rich Guthrie
> New Baltimore,
> The Greene County,
> New York
> 
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:10 PM  wrote:
>> Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
>> __ __
>> Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton 
>> Beach Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
>> __ __
>> I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB 
>> Gull. Would these count for Suffolk?
>> __ __
>> With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on your 
>> retinas.
>> __ __
>> With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and 
>> ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused on 
>> my retinas.
>> Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
>> __ __
>> I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time, 
>> and very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him playing 
>> catch with a football passing machine).
>> __ __
>> What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor 
>> one day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
>> __ __
>> The problems of the modern age.
>> __ __
>> __ __
>> __ __
>> __ __
>> __ __
>> __ __
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

2021-07-29 Thread Richard Guthrie 
Remote birding

If the bird is there, there it is. No matter how it is detected.

How that knowledge is used is a different matter.

eBird even has a category for accepting records derived from night calls
monitored by digital recording devices and introduced by later downloads
into the database.

But a bird viewed at a feeder cam isn't acceptable.

I can understand that we don't want several hundred reports of the same
vagrant at a feeder entered into the data. But at least one entry ought to
be acceptable. All the other duplicates (except perhaps for subsequent
dates ) could be disregarded. But, wait. Don't we accept dozens of reports
of the same rarity reported by many observers at a stakeout? This is how
programmers earn their keep.

Rich Guthrie
New Baltimore,
The Greene County,
New York

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:10 PM  wrote:

> Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
>
>
>
> Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton
> Beach Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
>
>
>
> I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB
> Gull. Would these count for Suffolk?
>
>
>
> With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on
> your retinas.
>
>
>
> With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and
> ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused
> on my retinas.
>
> Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
>
>
>
> I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time,
> and very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him
> playing catch with a football passing machine).
>
>
>
> What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor
> one day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
>
>
>
> The problems of the modern age.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

2021-07-29 Thread Richard Guthrie 
Remote birding

If the bird is there, there it is. No matter how it is detected.

How that knowledge is used is a different matter.

eBird even has a category for accepting records derived from night calls
monitored by digital recording devices and introduced by later downloads
into the database.

But a bird viewed at a feeder cam isn't acceptable.

I can understand that we don't want several hundred reports of the same
vagrant at a feeder entered into the data. But at least one entry ought to
be acceptable. All the other duplicates (except perhaps for subsequent
dates ) could be disregarded. But, wait. Don't we accept dozens of reports
of the same rarity reported by many observers at a stakeout? This is how
programmers earn their keep.

Rich Guthrie
New Baltimore,
The Greene County,
New York

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:10 PM  wrote:

> Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
>
>
>
> Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton
> Beach Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
>
>
>
> I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB
> Gull. Would these count for Suffolk?
>
>
>
> With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on
> your retinas.
>
>
>
> With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and
> ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused
> on my retinas.
>
> Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
>
>
>
> I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time,
> and very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him
> playing catch with a football passing machine).
>
>
>
> What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor
> one day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
>
>
>
> The problems of the modern age.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

2021-07-29 Thread Joseph Borker 
So seeing a bird thru the viewfinder of a mirror less camera does not count but 
thru a DSLR would count according to those rules. It maybe time to make some 
adjustments for new technologies.

By the way field biology studies use camera for various reasons including 
censuses 

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> On Jul 29, 2021, at 9:33 AM, Robert Lewis  wrote:
> 
> This question was asked and answered many years ago.  You can't count a bird 
> for any life list that you see on television.  It's the same with today's 
> video cams.  It's a reconstructed image via pixels.
> 
> There is a continuous progression:  the lens in your eye -> eye glasses -> 
> lenses in binocular or telescope.
> 
> Bob Lewis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021, 11:46:47 PM EDT, rcech  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> Depends on what you mean by real. 
> 
> In last Harry Potter epidode Harry is in a heaven-like place discussing his 
> last Voldermort encounter with Dumbledor.
> 
> "Professor," Harry asked, "Is this all real or is it just in my head?"
> 
> "Of course it's all in your head, dear boy, but that doesn't mean it's not 
> real."
> 
> I suppose ABA needs rules on this sort of thing. When is a mental image 
> recordable - always, or is this source-dependent? They have rules for 
> everything else, after all.
> 
> I'd recommend doing whatever you want, actually. It's your life list, after 
> all.
> 
> Just saying...
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
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> 
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> Date: 7/28/21 11:10 PM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu 
> Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff 
> 
> Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
>  
> Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton 
> Beach Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
>  
> I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB 
> Gull. Would these count for Suffolk?
>  
> With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on your 
> retinas.
>  
> With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and 
> ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused on 
> my retinas.
> Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
>  
> I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time, and 
> very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him playing 
> catch with a football passing machine).
>  
> What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor one 
> day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
>  
> The problems of the modern age.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

2021-07-29 Thread Joseph Borker 
So seeing a bird thru the viewfinder of a mirror less camera does not count but 
thru a DSLR would count according to those rules. It maybe time to make some 
adjustments for new technologies.

By the way field biology studies use camera for various reasons including 
censuses 

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> On Jul 29, 2021, at 9:33 AM, Robert Lewis  wrote:
> 
> This question was asked and answered many years ago.  You can't count a bird 
> for any life list that you see on television.  It's the same with today's 
> video cams.  It's a reconstructed image via pixels.
> 
> There is a continuous progression:  the lens in your eye -> eye glasses -> 
> lenses in binocular or telescope.
> 
> Bob Lewis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021, 11:46:47 PM EDT, rcech  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> Depends on what you mean by real. 
> 
> In last Harry Potter epidode Harry is in a heaven-like place discussing his 
> last Voldermort encounter with Dumbledor.
> 
> "Professor," Harry asked, "Is this all real or is it just in my head?"
> 
> "Of course it's all in your head, dear boy, but that doesn't mean it's not 
> real."
> 
> I suppose ABA needs rules on this sort of thing. When is a mental image 
> recordable - always, or is this source-dependent? They have rules for 
> everything else, after all.
> 
> I'd recommend doing whatever you want, actually. It's your life list, after 
> all.
> 
> Just saying...
> 
> 
> 
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> Date: 7/28/21 11:10 PM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu 
> Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff 
> 
> Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
>  
> Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton 
> Beach Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
>  
> I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB 
> Gull. Would these count for Suffolk?
>  
> With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on your 
> retinas.
>  
> With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and 
> ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused on 
> my retinas.
> Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
>  
> I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time, and 
> very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him playing 
> catch with a football passing machine).
>  
> What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor one 
> day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
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RE: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

2021-07-29 Thread rcech 
Sorry, I didn't mean that for the list. I'm not surprised to hear there's 
already a "photons-to-eye" rule for ABA.

-Original Message-
From: bounce-125799748-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Robert Lewis
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2021 9:33 AM
To: gle...@verizon.net; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu; rcech 
Cc: epey...@nyc.rr.com
Subject: Re: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

This question was asked and answered many years ago.  You can't count a bird 
for any life list that you see on television.  It's the same with today's video 
cams.  It's a reconstructed image via pixels.

There is a continuous progression:  the lens in your eye -> eye glasses -> 
lenses in binocular or telescope.

Bob Lewis







 On Wednesday, July 28, 2021, 11:46:47 PM EDT, rcech  wrote: 



Depends on what you mean by real. 

In last Harry Potter epidode Harry is in a heaven-like place discussing his 
last Voldermort encounter with Dumbledor.

"Professor," Harry asked, "Is this all real or is it just in my head?"

"Of course it's all in your head, dear boy, but that doesn't mean it's not 
real."

I suppose ABA needs rules on this sort of thing. When is a mental image 
recordable - always, or is this source-dependent? They have rules for 
everything else, after all.

I'd recommend doing whatever you want, actually. It's your life list, after all.

Just saying...



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 Original message 
From: gle...@verizon.net 
Date: 7/28/21 11:10 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu 
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff 

Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
 
Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton Beach 
Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
 
I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB Gull. 
Would these count for Suffolk?
 
With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on your 
retinas.
 
With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and 
ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused on my 
retinas.
Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
 
I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time, and 
very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him playing catch 
with a football passing machine).
 
What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor one 
day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
 
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2021-07-29 Thread rcech 
Sorry, I didn't mean that for the list. I'm not surprised to hear there's 
already a "photons-to-eye" rule for ABA.

-Original Message-
From: bounce-125799748-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Robert Lewis
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2021 9:33 AM
To: gle...@verizon.net; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu; rcech 
Cc: epey...@nyc.rr.com
Subject: Re: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

This question was asked and answered many years ago.  You can't count a bird 
for any life list that you see on television.  It's the same with today's video 
cams.  It's a reconstructed image via pixels.

There is a continuous progression:  the lens in your eye -> eye glasses -> 
lenses in binocular or telescope.

Bob Lewis







 On Wednesday, July 28, 2021, 11:46:47 PM EDT, rcech  wrote: 



Depends on what you mean by real. 

In last Harry Potter epidode Harry is in a heaven-like place discussing his 
last Voldermort encounter with Dumbledor.

"Professor," Harry asked, "Is this all real or is it just in my head?"

"Of course it's all in your head, dear boy, but that doesn't mean it's not 
real."

I suppose ABA needs rules on this sort of thing. When is a mental image 
recordable - always, or is this source-dependent? They have rules for 
everything else, after all.

I'd recommend doing whatever you want, actually. It's your life list, after all.

Just saying...



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 Original message 
From: gle...@verizon.net 
Date: 7/28/21 11:10 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu 
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff 

Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
 
Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton Beach 
Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
 
I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB Gull. 
Would these count for Suffolk?
 
With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on your 
retinas.
 
With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and 
ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused on my 
retinas.
Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
 
I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time, and 
very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him playing catch 
with a football passing machine).
 
What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor one 
day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
 
The problems of the modern age.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

2021-07-29 Thread Robert Lewis 
This question was asked and answered many years ago.  You can't count a bird 
for any life list that you see on television.  It's the same with today's video 
cams.  It's a reconstructed image via pixels.

There is a continuous progression:  the lens in your eye -> eye glasses -> 
lenses in binocular or telescope.

Bob Lewis







 On Wednesday, July 28, 2021, 11:46:47 PM EDT, rcech  wrote: 



Depends on what you mean by real. 

In last Harry Potter epidode Harry is in a heaven-like place discussing his 
last Voldermort encounter with Dumbledor.

"Professor," Harry asked, "Is this all real or is it just in my head?"

"Of course it's all in your head, dear boy, but that doesn't mean it's not 
real."

I suppose ABA needs rules on this sort of thing. When is a mental image 
recordable - always, or is this source-dependent? They have rules for 
everything else, after all.

I'd recommend doing whatever you want, actually. It's your life list, after all.

Just saying...



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 Original message 
From: gle...@verizon.net 
Date: 7/28/21 11:10 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu 
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff 

Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
 
Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton Beach 
Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
 
I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB Gull. 
Would these count for Suffolk?
 
With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on your 
retinas.
 
With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and 
ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused on my 
retinas.
Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
 
I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time, and 
very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him playing catch 
with a football passing machine).
 
What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor one 
day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
 
The problems of the modern age.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

2021-07-29 Thread Robert Lewis 
This question was asked and answered many years ago.  You can't count a bird 
for any life list that you see on television.  It's the same with today's video 
cams.  It's a reconstructed image via pixels.

There is a continuous progression:  the lens in your eye -> eye glasses -> 
lenses in binocular or telescope.

Bob Lewis







 On Wednesday, July 28, 2021, 11:46:47 PM EDT, rcech  wrote: 



Depends on what you mean by real. 

In last Harry Potter epidode Harry is in a heaven-like place discussing his 
last Voldermort encounter with Dumbledor.

"Professor," Harry asked, "Is this all real or is it just in my head?"

"Of course it's all in your head, dear boy, but that doesn't mean it's not 
real."

I suppose ABA needs rules on this sort of thing. When is a mental image 
recordable - always, or is this source-dependent? They have rules for 
everything else, after all.

I'd recommend doing whatever you want, actually. It's your life list, after all.

Just saying...



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From: gle...@verizon.net 
Date: 7/28/21 11:10 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu 
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff 

Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking.
 
Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton Beach 
Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.
 
I’ve been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB Gull. 
Would these count for Suffolk?
 
With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on your 
retinas.
 
With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and 
ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused on my 
retinas.
Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.
 
I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in the sense of time, and 
very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him playing catch 
with a football passing machine).
 
What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor one 
day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it…..
 
The problems of the modern age.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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2021-07-28 Thread rcech 
Depends on what you mean by real. In last Harry Potter epidode Harry is in a 
heaven-like place discussing his last Voldermort encounter with 
Dumbledor."Professor," Harry asked, "Is this all real or is it just in my 
head?""Of course it's all in your head, dear boy, but that doesn't mean it's 
not real."I suppose ABA needs rules on this sort of thing. When is a mental 
image recordable - always, or is this source-dependent? They have rules for 
everything else, after all.I'd recommend doing whatever you want, actually. 
It's your life list, after all.Just saying...Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
 Original message From: gle...@verizon.net Date: 7/28/21  11:10 
PM  (GMT-05:00) To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring 
Harbor Spoonbill Stuff Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking. 
Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton Beach 
Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc. I’ve been able to 
identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB Gull. Would these count 
for Suffolk? With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to 
focus on your retinas. With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, 
converted to zeros and ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, 
and then focused on my retinas.Same thing, right? The time difference between 
the two is negligible. I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in 
the sense of time, and very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this 
week of him playing catch with a football passing machine). What if I happen to 
see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor one day? Can I count it 
and, better yet, should I even report it….. The problems of the modern age. 
 

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2021-07-28 Thread rcech 
Depends on what you mean by real. In last Harry Potter epidode Harry is in a 
heaven-like place discussing his last Voldermort encounter with 
Dumbledor."Professor," Harry asked, "Is this all real or is it just in my 
head?""Of course it's all in your head, dear boy, but that doesn't mean it's 
not real."I suppose ABA needs rules on this sort of thing. When is a mental 
image recordable - always, or is this source-dependent? They have rules for 
everything else, after all.I'd recommend doing whatever you want, actually. 
It's your life list, after all.Just saying...Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
 Original message From: gle...@verizon.net Date: 7/28/21  11:10 
PM  (GMT-05:00) To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring 
Harbor Spoonbill Stuff Steve Walter’s spoonbill post got me thinking. 
Occasionally, when I’m bored at work, I’ll turn on the live East Hampton Beach 
Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc. I’ve been able to 
identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB Gull. Would these count 
for Suffolk? With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to 
focus on your retinas. With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, 
converted to zeros and ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, 
and then focused on my retinas.Same thing, right? The time difference between 
the two is negligible. I know, I know, it’s not the same. But it is “live” in 
the sense of time, and very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this 
week of him playing catch with a football passing machine). What if I happen to 
see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor one day? Can I count it 
and, better yet, should I even report it….. The problems of the modern age. 
 

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2021-07-28 Thread glennq 
Steve Walter's spoonbill post got me thinking.

 

Occasionally, when I'm bored at work, I'll turn on the live East Hampton
Beach Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.

 

I've been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB
Gull. Would these count for Suffolk?

 

With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on your
retinas.

 

With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and
ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused on
my retinas.

Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.

 

I know, I know, it's not the same. But it is "live" in the sense of time,
and very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him playing
catch with a football passing machine).

 

What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor
one day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it...

 

The problems of the modern age.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Re:[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

2021-07-28 Thread glennq 
Steve Walter's spoonbill post got me thinking.

 

Occasionally, when I'm bored at work, I'll turn on the live East Hampton
Beach Cam just to see what I can see. Surf, weather, birds, etc.

 

I've been able to identify things like Barn Swallow, Sanderling, even LBB
Gull. Would these count for Suffolk?

 

With binoculars, light is bent through the lens arrangement to focus on your
retinas.

 

With the webcam, light is focused onto a CMOS chip, converted to zeros and
ones, beamed to a satellite, beamed back to my computer, and then focused on
my retinas.

Same thing, right? The time difference between the two is negligible.

 

I know, I know, it's not the same. But it is "live" in the sense of time,
and very real. (Not like that great Tom Brady video this week of him playing
catch with a football passing machine).

 

What if I happen to see a Yellow-nosed Albatross cruise across my monitor
one day? Can I count it and, better yet, should I even report it...

 

The problems of the modern age.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

2021-07-28 Thread swalter15 
I know there was a post a few days ago about entering the grounds of the Cold 
Spring Harbor Lab. It wasn't clear whether that pertained to driving in or even 
just entering on foot. But from the fishing pier today, I could see quite a few 
people on the shore at the south end of the harbor. And then I did learn that 
that was possible by walking in (a short enough distance from the fish 
hatchery). Well, whatever that says of my behavior, I did come away with 
pictures I can be happy with. I've posted one at my web site 
http://stevewalternature.com/  .
I'm not sure that it's been mentioned. Maybe it's too obvious. But maybe it 
should be mentioned. The tide seems to be a factor in where it's going to be -- 
the harbor at low tide, St. John's Pond at high. It will be low tide from mid 
to late morning over the next few days. 
On this county listing thing -- which I must say is such a birder thing to do. 
But I'm curious. To count it for Nassau, do you have to be standing in Nassau 
with the bird in Nassau? Same for Suffolk. If you see the bird in the county 
opposite the one you're in, how does that work?

Steve WalterBayside, NY
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[nysbirds-l] Cold Spring Harbor Spoonbill Stuff

2021-07-28 Thread swalter15 
I know there was a post a few days ago about entering the grounds of the Cold 
Spring Harbor Lab. It wasn't clear whether that pertained to driving in or even 
just entering on foot. But from the fishing pier today, I could see quite a few 
people on the shore at the south end of the harbor. And then I did learn that 
that was possible by walking in (a short enough distance from the fish 
hatchery). Well, whatever that says of my behavior, I did come away with 
pictures I can be happy with. I've posted one at my web site 
http://stevewalternature.com/  .
I'm not sure that it's been mentioned. Maybe it's too obvious. But maybe it 
should be mentioned. The tide seems to be a factor in where it's going to be -- 
the harbor at low tide, St. John's Pond at high. It will be low tide from mid 
to late morning over the next few days. 
On this county listing thing -- which I must say is such a birder thing to do. 
But I'm curious. To count it for Nassau, do you have to be standing in Nassau 
with the bird in Nassau? Same for Suffolk. If you see the bird in the county 
opposite the one you're in, how does that work?

Steve WalterBayside, NY
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