Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-06 Thread Nadine Scarpa
> > - Reply message - > From: "Nadine Scarpa" > Date: Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:56 am > Subject: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point > To: > > I was just about to post the same question about purpose, since the group > rules state: > > > &qu

Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-06 Thread Jim Osterlund
Sent to me directly, by mistake; Begin forwarded message: From: scotty...@aol.com Date: February 6, 2012 7:12:36 AM EST To: Jim Osterlund Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point It serves the ignorant, the lazy, and the the followers that have nothing better to do

Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-06 Thread Nadine Scarpa
I was just about to post the same question about purpose, since the group rules state: "The primary purpose of the List is to disseminate information about wild bird sightings in and around New York State in a timely manner and to provide an effective electronic forum for New York State area

Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-06 Thread Nadine Scarpa
I was just about to post the same question about purpose, since the group rules state: The primary purpose of the List is to disseminate information about wild bird sightings in and around New York State in a timely manner and to provide an effective electronic forum for New York State area

Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-06 Thread Jim Osterlund
Sent to me directly, by mistake; Begin forwarded message: From: scotty...@aol.com scotty...@aol.com Date: February 6, 2012 7:12:36 AM EST To: Jim Osterlund james...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point It serves the ignorant, the lazy

Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-06 Thread Nadine Scarpa
- From: Nadine Scarpa nadinescarpaho...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Feb 6, 2012 10:56 am Subject: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point To: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu I was just about to post the same question about purpose, since the group rules state: The primary purpose of the List

Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Jim Osterlund
I wonder, then; what purpose does this list serve? -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1)

Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Seth Ausubel
I have been birding the Long Island barrier beaches for over 20 years. It is clear that human activity of all types has increased dramatically in that time. This of course leads to more disturbance of wildlife. There are many more photographers and birders now then there were back then, and

Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Matt Bango
I completely agree with Rob and Mardi. I just want to add what I witnessed today - there were several birders as far out as the second dune and a walker with a dog off of the leash within 50-75 meters of one of the owls (it appeared that the walker had no idea the owl was there). My trip to Breezy

Re:[nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Rob Jett
I concur with Mardi, my postings were never meant to imply that ALL photographers are a problem. Like every endeavor, amateur or professional, there are people who play by the rules and those whom think the rules don't apply. Let's not condemn a whole group of people just because there are a

Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Mardi Dickinson
Phil et al, Lets be VERY careful & clear NOT to put ALL Bird photographers or any photographers for that fact in this quote you made below please! > "Birders need to understand that bird photographers are parasitic of > the sightings on this list" I have been a pro photographer for 40 years

Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Phil Jeffrey
The photographers shown in Rob's video were not the only instances. This photographer: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BqOGEhoql4A/Ty8zKetR49I/BLo/NhfyRUrXTrE/s1600/BozoBirdPhotographer_W5G7596.jpg was walking all over the dune area too in pursuit of the owls as of 8:30am. One of the owls may

[nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Rob Jett
I really hate to have to post this note, but ... Today at Breezy Point two photographers decided to ignore common sense, birding ethics and clearly posted NPS signs to get close to the reported owls. They had walked a long distance into the protected dune habitat and stationed themselves

[nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Rob Jett
I really hate to have to post this note, but ... Today at Breezy Point two photographers decided to ignore common sense, birding ethics and clearly posted NPS signs to get close to the reported owls. They had walked a long distance into the protected dune habitat and stationed themselves

Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Phil Jeffrey
The photographers shown in Rob's video were not the only instances. This photographer: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BqOGEhoql4A/Ty8zKetR49I/BLo/NhfyRUrXTrE/s1600/BozoBirdPhotographer_W5G7596.jpg was walking all over the dune area too in pursuit of the owls as of 8:30am. One of the owls may

Re:[nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Rob Jett
I concur with Mardi, my postings were never meant to imply that ALL photographers are a problem. Like every endeavor, amateur or professional, there are people who play by the rules and those whom think the rules don't apply. Let's not condemn a whole group of people just because there are a

Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Matt Bango
I completely agree with Rob and Mardi. I just want to add what I witnessed today - there were several birders as far out as the second dune and a walker with a dog off of the leash within 50-75 meters of one of the owls (it appeared that the walker had no idea the owl was there). My trip to Breezy

Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Seth Ausubel
I have been birding the Long Island barrier beaches for over 20 years. It is clear that human activity of all types has increased dramatically in that time. This of course leads to more disturbance of wildlife. There are many more photographers and birders now then there were back then, and

Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Jim Osterlund
I wonder, then; what purpose does this list serve? -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1)