Re: [obc] Notch, Gap, Pass, Col
Ian Austen passes this additional comment: ... a couple of small details to add to your ... run down on cols. Cols only go up and over a mountain. So the climbs up to l'Alpe d'Huez and Luz Ardiden--which dead-end at their summits--are not cols. Those climbs have no title of any sort. That being said, not all passes are cols. The smaller ones are always called cotes or hills. That's generally the case for all fourth category climbs and some third cats. And, of course, smaller would include all the climbs in the Gatineaus if they were in France. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Streets Trips 2002
Microsoft has updated its U.S./Canada mapping software. This is a database of all the roads in the U.S. and most of Canada. Version 2002 is, on first look, a fairly significant improvement to the database. In Ottawa, for example, the 2001 edition would not let you cross the Portage Bridge between Ottawa and Hull; 2002 does. The Ottawa-Kennebunkport trip included Bear Trap Rd. just after the ferry to Vermont. This road is shown accurately now whereas it was not a through road on the previous CD-ROM. I've been using programs like this one for several years to plan cycling routes and I'd love to hear from anyone else who has experience (bad or good) with other programs like this. Bob Hicks -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] Streets Trips 2002
I've been using a $19.95 package that you can get at most gas station. It is made by Mapart Publishing (www.mapart.com) and is basically a scan of the paper map. The nice thing about it is that it shows all the bike paths and you can measure a route with a few clicks. While it shows several cities around Ottawa, it is limited when using it in between cities and it does not cover the Gatineau park completely. Gilles Lamenoise http://www.develcor.com Support the shareware concept - Register http://www.develcor.com/main/register.htm - Original Message - From: Bob Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OBC Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: [obc] Streets Trips 2002 Microsoft has updated its U.S./Canada mapping software. This is a database of all the roads in the U.S. and most of Canada. Version 2002 is, on first look, a fairly significant improvement to the database. In Ottawa, for example, the 2001 edition would not let you cross the Portage Bridge between Ottawa and Hull; 2002 does. The Ottawa-Kennebunkport trip included Bear Trap Rd. just after the ferry to Vermont. This road is shown accurately now whereas it was not a through road on the previous CD-ROM. I've been using programs like this one for several years to plan cycling routes and I'd love to hear from anyone else who has experience (bad or good) with other programs like this. Bob Hicks -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] ABC Sep 9 40k TT results, BAR results, etc.
Hi: I just posted results for 3 more of the ABC TT results, including the Sep 9 40km TT. Sep 9 was the final 40k TT - so this means that the OBC BAR results are also finished and posted. You may check all of these results on the obcweb. Celia -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] Streets Trips 2002
Does it include elevations or calculate grades? Can it export to a GPS? Tom On Sunday, September 23, 2001 at 13:27, Bob Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on [obc] Streets Trips 2002, saying.. Microsoft has updated its U.S./Canada mapping software. This is a database of all the roads in the U.S. and most of Canada. Version 2002 is, on first look, a fairly significant improvement to the database. In Ottawa, for example, the 2001 edition would not let you cross the Portage Bridge between Ottawa and Hull; 2002 does. The Ottawa-Kennebunkport trip included Bear Trap Rd. just after the ferry to Vermont. This road is shown accurately now whereas it was not a through road on the previous CD-ROM. I've been using programs like this one for several years to plan cycling routes and I'd love to hear from anyone else who has experience (bad or good) with other programs like this. Bob Hicks --- Abacurial Information Management Consultants Tom A. Trottier, President ICQ:57647974 http://abacurial.com 415-400 Slater St. Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 N45.417 W75.705 (after 2001 Oct 14) 758 Albert St, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 N45.412 W75.714 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [obc] Streets Trips 2002
Check out http://www.microsoft.com/streets/ for details. - Original Message - From: Tom Trottier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OBC Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 23 September, 2001 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [obc] Streets Trips 2002 Does it include elevations or calculate grades? Can it export to a GPS? Tom On Sunday, September 23, 2001 at 13:27, Bob Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on [obc] Streets Trips 2002, saying.. Microsoft has updated its U.S./Canada mapping software. This is a database of all the roads in the U.S. and most of Canada. Version 2002 is, on first look, a fairly significant improvement to the database. In Ottawa, for example, the 2001 edition would not let you cross the Portage Bridge between Ottawa and Hull; 2002 does. The Ottawa-Kennebunkport trip included Bear Trap Rd. just after the ferry to Vermont. This road is shown accurately now whereas it was not a through road on the previous CD-ROM. I've been using programs like this one for several years to plan cycling routes and I'd love to hear from anyone else who has experience (bad or good) with other programs like this. Bob Hicks --- Abacurial Information Management Consultants Tom A. Trottier, President ICQ:57647974 http://abacurial.com 415-400 Slater St. Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 N45.417 W75.705 (after 2001 Oct 14) 758 Albert St, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 N45.412 W75.714 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] PAC 11
Man can climb to the highest summits; but he cannot dwell there long. George Bernard Shaw Montrose, Colorado to Durango, Colorado. 112 miles. 9200 feet climbing. This was possibly the most anticipated day of the tour. I may change my mind when day 15 arrives, but the route card for day 11 had us all looking forward to the day. Like yesterday, the ride would start off with a huge climb. The first 40 miles where relatively gentle. The scenery was fabulous; large ranches and homesteads, active agriculture, mountains approaching. Much greener and more prosperous than the countryside of the last week. Then into Ouray, a spectacular little town nestled in the mountains at the end of a gorge where it just opens up into a wider valley. It's obviously a tourist town, and warrants a dedicated visit sometime in the future. But unfortunately there's no time to stop now, other than for taking a few pictures. Then the real climb begins. Ouray is at 6500 feet, and we're headed to Red Mountain Pass at 11,118 feet, 13 miles up the road. It follows the gorge, very narrow at the bottom, with the narrow road ascending the steep mountainside at about 6 to 8% grade. Evergreens cling to the sides. The road also clings to the side, with no guardrail and an 80% dropoff. It makes some of the riders nervous. As before, our group of five find our own climbing pace and will recongregate at the top. About 3/4 of the way up the 4500 foot climb the gorge opens up to a high valley, filled with spruce and yellow aspen. The smell and colours are magical. The whole thing is ringed with rugged 14,000 foot peaks. Then we're at the top, where the lunch sag has been set up. While at 11,118 feet the air is thin, and some riders are breathing hard, the wind is negligible and the sun keeps it warm. Nice lunch, but the air is thin enough that we decide not to stay too long, and hammer the 10 mile descent to Silverton, in another pictuesque spruce and aspen valley. But the 2,000 feet we've descended has to be made up immediately by a 7 mile climb over the next pass to the south, Molas Pass at 10,910 feet. More of the same scenery and fabulous road. Then another 2000 foot descent and 3 mile climb back up over Coal Bank Pass. My knees and quads are starting to complain. Finally we reach the last sag at the top of the last pass. Then 30 miles, mostly descending, past Tamarron and Purgatory Ski Resort, down to Durango. Another unbelievable day. And while I've never had a rest day on either of the two PAC Tours I've done previously, tomorrow has only 55 miles (although 3600 feet) scheduled, and we're all looking forward to an easier day. Don Friedlander -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
