Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-06-05 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 6/5/14, 5:06 AM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: Second this. The DC S3700 are very good. Okay, so far so good. 100MB s3700 came today. threw it in the tank pool as log device, and set sync=standard. Re-ran crystaldiskmark and get 93MB/sec writes. Given that reads are running 106MB/sec, I

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-06-05 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-06-05 Thread Jim Klimov
5 июня 2014 г. 11:21:24 CEST, Saso Kiselkov skiselkov...@gmail.com пишет: On 6/5/14, 5:06 AM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: Second this. The DC S3700 are very good. Okay, so far so good. 100MB s3700 came today. threw it in the tank pool as log device, and set sync=standard. Re-ran

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-06-04 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
Second this. The DC S3700 are very good. Okay, so far so good. 100MB s3700 came today. threw it in the tank pool as log device, and set sync=standard. Re-ran crystaldiskmark and get 93MB/sec writes. Given that reads are running 106MB/sec, I think it's time to call this a win... Thanks all

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-29 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 5/28/2014 10:34 AM, Saso Kiselkov wrote: On 5/28/14, 4:08 PM, Schweiss, Chip wrote: Intel has several SATA SSDs with proper super-cap protected caches that make good log devices. I'd recommend looking at a Intel DC S3700. The 200 GB or 400 GB varieties promise ~3 4k random write IOPS

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-29 Thread Doug Hughes
On 5/29/2014 11:19 AM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: On 5/28/2014 10:34 AM, Saso Kiselkov wrote: On 5/28/14, 4:08 PM, Schweiss, Chip wrote: Intel has several SATA SSDs with proper super-cap protected caches that make good log devices. I'd recommend looking at a Intel DC S3700. The 200 GB or 400

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-29 Thread Dan McDonald
On May 29, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Doug Hughes d...@will.to wrote: The higher price is the reason I tend to prefer the 320 series that come in around $1/GB and have smaller sizes available. I use them for OS + slog. What about the S3500? I've heard that's more the drop-in replacement for the

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-29 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 5/29/14, 5:48 PM, Dan McDonald wrote: On May 29, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Doug Hughes d...@will.to wrote: The higher price is the reason I tend to prefer the 320 series that come in around $1/GB and have smaller sizes available. I use them for OS + slog. What about the S3500? I've heard

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-29 Thread Dan McDonald
On May 29, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Saso Kiselkov skiselkov...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/29/14, 5:48 PM, Dan McDonald wrote: On May 29, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Doug Hughes d...@will.to wrote: The higher price is the reason I tend to prefer the 320 series that come in around $1/GB and have smaller

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-28 Thread Jim Klimov
28 мая 2014 г. 3:11:07 CEST, Dan Swartzendruber dswa...@druber.com пишет: So I've been running with sync=disabled on my vsphere NFS datastore. I've been willing to do so because I have a big-ass UPS, and do hourly backups. But, I'm thinking of going to an active/passive connection to my JBOD,

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-28 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 5/28/14, 3:11 AM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: So I've been running with sync=disabled on my vsphere NFS datastore. I've been willing to do so because I have a big-ass UPS, and do hourly backups. But, I'm thinking of going to an active/passive connection to my JBOD, using Saso's blog post

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-28 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
(merging comments to Saso and Jim) I don't think I mentioned my environment - if not, my apologies. This is a SOHO/Lab setup, so things like zeusram are non-starters. The basic network infrastructure is gigabit, so iSCSI ZIL would suck badly, I suspect. As far as over-provisioning the 840PRO,

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-28 Thread Schweiss, Chip
The 840 Pro doesn't have a super cap, but it does properly honor cache flushes which ZFS will do on a log device. This drastically reduces it's write performance and makes it a poor choice for a log device. Intel has several SATA SSDs with proper super-cap protected caches that make good log

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-28 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 5/28/14, 3:51 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: (merging comments to Saso and Jim) I don't think I mentioned my environment - if not, my apologies. This is a SOHO/Lab setup, so things like zeusram are non-starters. The basic network infrastructure is gigabit, so iSCSI ZIL would suck badly,

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-28 Thread Saso Kiselkov
On 5/28/14, 4:08 PM, Schweiss, Chip wrote: Intel has several SATA SSDs with proper super-cap protected caches that make good log devices. I'd recommend looking at a Intel DC S3700. The 200 GB or 400 GB varieties promise ~3 4k random write IOPS and actually seem to deliver:

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-28 Thread Doug Hughes
On 5/28/2014 10:34 AM, Saso Kiselkov wrote: On 5/28/14, 4:08 PM, Schweiss, Chip wrote: Intel has several SATA SSDs with proper super-cap protected caches that make good log devices. I'd recommend looking at a Intel DC S3700. The 200 GB or 400 GB varieties promise ~3 4k random write IOPS

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-28 Thread Schweiss, Chip
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Doug Hughes d...@will.to wrote: Second this. The DC S3700 are very good. But, I tend to use the Intel 320 which are often available on amazon for just over $1/GB up to 600GB. They don't have as good of specs as the DC3700 (which are newer), but they do have

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-28 Thread Olaf Marzocchi
I never tried them, but I know that the M500 and the M550 also have the capacitor. Less write cycles, but probably enough for SOHO. Anandtech tested them both. Olaf Il giorno 28/mag/2014, alle ore 19:44, Nate Smith nsm...@careyweb.com ha scritto: Third on S3700. They're the best mix of

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-28 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
It looks to me like Sa¨o's design is active/standby failover. Zpool import on the standby should obtain a clean transaction group as long as the originally active system is still not using the pool. The result would be similar to the power fail situation. As long as the right fencing is

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-28 Thread Schweiss, Chip
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Dan Swartzendruber dswa...@druber.comwrote: It looks to me like Sa¨o's design is active/standby failover. Zpool import on the standby should obtain a clean transaction group as long as the originally active system is still not using the pool. The result

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-28 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
Assuming you have real SAS devices in the pool, not SATA with interposers, you can use SCSI reservations. This can block the other host from accessing a pool you are about to take over. sg3_utils has utilities for managing SCSI reservations. The data pool is in fact all SAS. 8 1TB

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-28 Thread Ian Collins
Saso Kiselkov wrote: Hi Dan, First off, the Samsung 840 Pro apparently doesn't have power loss protection, so DON'T use it for slog (ZIL). Use some enterprise-class SSD that has proper protection of its DRAM contents. Even better, if you have the cash to spend, get a ZeusRAM - these are true

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-28 Thread Nate Smith
] Status of TRIM support? Nate Smith wrote: Third on S3700. They're the best mix of price/reliability. Has anyone used the Seagate 600 Pro series? ST240FP0021? Only the non-pro version. I ran a quick comparison with S3700s and ended up using them as cache devices. -- Ian

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-28 Thread Richard Elling
On May 28, 2014, at 7:08 AM, Schweiss, Chip c...@innovates.com wrote: The 840 Pro doesn't have a super cap, but it does properly honor cache flushes which ZFS will do on a log device. This drastically reduces it's write performance and makes it a poor choice for a log device. This is a

[OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-27 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
So I've been running with sync=disabled on my vsphere NFS datastore. I've been willing to do so because I have a big-ass UPS, and do hourly backups. But, I'm thinking of going to an active/passive connection to my JBOD, using Saso's blog post on zfs zfs-create.blogspot.com. Here's why I think

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-27 Thread Dan McDonald
On May 27, 2014, at 9:11 PM, Dan Swartzendruber dswa...@druber.com wrote: SNIP! Does over-provisioning help? It might. I'm no ZFS performance expert. You're better off asking that question on the Illumos ZFS list. I've mentioned before here that Nexenta had a prototype of TRIM/UNMAP use

Re: [OmniOS-discuss] Status of TRIM support?

2014-05-27 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
cked.) If you switch manually from host A to B, all is well, since Zfs does not depend on sync writes ('zil') for pool integrity. It does depend on cache flush across all disks for pool integrity. The harm from sync=disabled is that when the system comes back up, the data may not be