RE: [DOCUMENTATION]Wrong use of scientific notation

2012-11-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
It appears that all three forms are correct as notations for the same numerical value where . is recognized as a decimal point. I agree that there should be consistency. I think context of the numeral is important. In particular, which is most likely to be easily recognized and understood

RE: [DOCUMENTATION]Wrong use of scientific notation

2012-11-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
changed it to , Would it be possible to have a macro or something for . so it appears in , for me . signals 1000 (1.000) Jan. On 3 November 2012 18:29, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.orgwrote: It appears that all three forms are correct as notations for the same numerical value where

FW: [Full-disclosure] [SECURITY] [DSA 2570-1] openoffice.org security update

2012-11-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Because of the substitution of LibreOffice as openoffice.org installs, it is very confusing which of these defects may apply to Apache OpenOffice. In any case, the Debian CVE is now public. -Original Message- From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk

RE: Apache and ODF

2012-10-26 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
@Rory, I agree about Kindle. A Kindle Fire has more functionality and all of the UI capabilities one expects of an Android device, whereas the Kindle Readers have a different, special-purpose application. I see Rob has provided a comprehensive statement later on this thread. I would add

RE: [PROPOSAL] difficulty field for Bugzilla

2012-10-26 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Message- From: Andre Fischer [mailto:awf@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 00:48 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] difficulty field for Bugzilla On 24.10.2012 22:28, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: @Regina, Yes, Wizard is a reference to the level of mastery

RE: [PROPOSAL] difficulty field for Bugzilla

2012-10-24 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
@Regina, Yes, Wizard is a reference to the level of mastery that a solver must possess, and is one of those which one of these words does not belong solutions. There is a well-known *logarithmic* difficulty scale that has been used over 40 years for problem difficulty. It might be worth

RE: [PROPOSAL] difficulty field for Bugzilla

2012-10-24 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 Great question I think severity has to do with the significance to the reporter. It is generally not for the resolver to deal with. Difficulty is an assessment about the effort/skill required to resolve the (confirmed) issue. The cause may be deep and the resolution deeper. -Original

RE: Ask for advice:cloud office interoperability

2012-10-13 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Hi! It is important to remember that XML was a disruption of SGML, not HTML. I don't understand your list, below. RELAX NG compact syntax and N3 are special purpose formats, not markup languages. CSS is also a special purpose format. And JSON too. They have particular values in special

RE: Demonstrating Issues for Bug Reports

2012-10-11 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
, but according to Windows Task Manager, it isn't. Suggestions? Maurice D. Howe General MacArthur Honor Guard Assn 616 Lacey Drive Endwell, NY 13760 607-754-0469 maur...@stny.rr.com -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 10

RE: Demonstrating Issues for Bug Reports

2012-10-11 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
it again and closing it immediately to see if that clears it up. I have not tried running it on Outlook (2010 in my case). I'll see if I can reproduce the experience of Maurice Howe now. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Thursday

RE: Demonstrating Issues for Bug Reports

2012-10-11 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
if that is a factor. I stopped the recorder successfully. I am changing this message back to plaintext. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 09:38 To: ooo-us...@incubator.apache.org; ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org

Demonstrating Issues for Bug Reports

2012-10-10 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I had no idea there was this handy tool. It should help with demonstrations of problems in AOO: http://www.hanselman.com/blog/HelpYourUsersRecordAndReportBugsWithTheProblemStepsRecorder.aspx - Dennis smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature

RE: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation

2012-10-09 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
8, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: [ ... ] I nose around in the Symphony code from time to time and I notice there is no reflection of the grant and availability under ALv2 has occurred. We were notified that the grant was received. Is it expected

RE: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation

2012-10-09 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
: On Oct 9, 2012, at 3:56 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 8, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: The proposed PMC chair is not an officer of the PPMC

RE: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation

2012-10-09 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
.] -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 09:14 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: Besides the concerns

RE: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation

2012-10-09 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I don't think deleting the files of the Symphony contribution is a constructive step. Cleaning up the IPR will work for everyone. When can the ASF expect the letter from IBM that you have offered to request? - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]

RE: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation

2012-10-08 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The proposed PMC chair is not an officer of the PPMC. The PPMC has no chair. I suppose the updated graduation resolution would need to be balloted here. Then the IPMC can vote on it on their list for graduation. Also, all of the things that a PPMC is supposed to have been done need to be

RE: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation

2012-10-08 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 08:00 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: [DISCUSS]: next step towards graduation The proposed PMC chair is not an officer of the PPMC. The PPMC has no chair. I suppose the updated graduation

New committer: Chen Peng

2012-10-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The Apache OpenOffice PPMC announces the addition of committer Chen Peng, pengch@ apache.org The list of all current podling committers is at: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo. Committers have a defined role in the workings of the Apache Software Foundation:

RE: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics

2012-10-06 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I think the OP is asking about printed forms, as on a bumper sticker. Since they are presumably enlarged, the provision of trademark information in small but readable type at/around the margin would probably work. - Dennis -Original Message- From: acolor...@gmail.com

RE: Ask for advice:cloud office interoperability

2012-10-05 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I don't understand what problem it is expected that use of HTML will solve. Are you suggesting that HTML[5] can become a common/universal interchange format. Do you consider ePub a candidate? Note that even using Webkit as a common support for presentation of documents to users does not

RE: ApacheconEU2012

2012-10-05 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
My impression is that the student is requesting travel assistance, not admission assistance. Catriona, will you be more specific about what you are requesting and the amount involved. There is an application form that Oliver can provide information about. - Dennis -Original

RE: Ask for advice:cloud office interoperability

2012-10-05 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Shortly after the publication of ODF 1.0, there were claims by some that ODF was a universal format and that MSFT should simply adopt it, because as a universal format, ODF can certainly carry anything that Microsoft Office then carried in its binary formats. This was also a factor in the

RE: [VOTE][PMC] PMC Chair

2012-10-04 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
[X] Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) -Original Message- From: Andrew Rist [mailto:andrew.r...@oracle.com] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 16:42 To: ooo-dev Subject: [VOTE][PMC] PMC Chair [ ... ][ [ ] Drew Jensen (atjensen) The [DISCUSS] for this vote can be found at [2] and [3]. Note:

RE: Ask for advice:cloud office interoperability

2012-10-04 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I don't understand. Microsoft began supporting ODF 1.0 in Office 2007 (SP2 I think). They also support ODF 1.0 in Office 2010. In Office 2013/365 there is support for ODF 1.2, including with support of OpenFormula in Excel. There are now three ways to consider interoperability among Office

RE: [WWW] Do we need a new site logo (for graduation) -- call for volunteers

2012-10-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I notice that Apache Forrest does use the Apache feather: there are three of them stood on their quills as if they are a small stand of trees. It seems to me that the incorporation of the feather can be a little strained. The cases where it is in shadow, on the other hand, are easy to

New committer: Dong Jun Zong

2012-10-02 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The Apache OpenOffice PPMC announces the addition of committer Dong Jun Zong, zongdj@ apache.org The list of all current podling committers is at: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo. Committers have a defined role in the workings of the Apache Software Foundation:

RE: [VOTE] [PMC] Starting Membership for Apache OpenOffice PMC

2012-10-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
[ X ] +1 approve [ ] 0 abstain [ ] -1 disapprove, for the following reasons: -Original Message- From: Andrew Rist [mailto:andrew.r...@oracle.com] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 15:38 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [VOTE] [PMC] Starting Membership for Apache

2012-10-01 Status: PPMC and Committer Roster

2012-10-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
by Apache) 0 authz (permissions to OOO SVN to be set) 18 PPMC? (eligible but not participating on PPMC) 112 complete 33 other 263 TOTAL - Dennis, for the Apache OpenOffice PPMC -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Sunday, September 02

Taking our own pulse: ZDNet on OpenOffice

2012-09-29 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
This article provides a forward-looking account of opportunities for Apache OpenOffice work: http://www.zdnet.com/apache-openoffice-libreoffice-aim-for-office-2013-cloud-support-in-13-14-704975/ There is mention of an openoffice.org blog (without any link). I am not certain what is being

RE: Call for comments: Webpage for Listing OpenOffice Consultants

2012-09-26 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
OK, you got me ... Umm, if the third party puts up an AOO-supplied logo, I don't think one can learn anything at AOO other than whether or not there are page views that pull the resource from the AOO location. It gets a little messy to track those. If there is a third-party page or image (or

[DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed Initial PMC List and process

2012-09-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
My recommendation: 48-hour steps are too short. Take at least 72 minimums, state fixed UTC earliest-end date-times (so no one has to figure out when from now is), and maybe skip over weekend days. There's no rush. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Andrew Rist

RE: LICENSE text in the user interface

2012-09-24 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Oh. I thought it was *not* the practice of ASF to claim copyright over code. It is always weird to say all rights reserved and simultaneously offer a license. Is it necessary to include a copyright notice in the About box at all? ASF has no copyright on any of the source code. Where is

RE: LICENSE text in the user interface

2012-09-24 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Right you are. I have no further concerns. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 12:59 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: LICENSE text in the user interface On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Dennis E

New committer: Linyi Li

2012-09-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The Apache OpenOffice PPMC announces the addition of committer Linyi Li, liliny@ apache.org The list of all current podling committers is at: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo. Committers have a defined role in the workings of the Apache Software Foundation:

New committer: Chen ZuoJun

2012-09-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The Apache OpenOffice PPMC announces the addition of committer Chen ZuoJun, zjchen@ apache.org The list of all current podling committers is at: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo. Committers have a defined role in the workings of the Apache Software Foundation:

RE: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 on JFDI (though declare yourself to wrap-up the [User Docs] thread. +1 on Project Blog post and have fun - Dennis -Original Message- From: Keith N. McKenna [mailto:keith.mcke...@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 12:21 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re:

RE: Open Office Web Developer Tool

2012-09-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
There is a limited web development tool built into OpenOffice. It is called Writer/Web. You can see it in action by 1. Opening an HTML file in Writer, or 2. On the Apache OpenOffice Start Page, Choose Templates | New Document | HTML Document, or 3. Start a Writer document and save

RE: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Hey, let's get review of that document. I didn't realized it had been updated beyond being a placeholder for the needed document. Where is it found on the ODFAUthors repository? - Dennis -Original Message- From: Keith N. McKenna [mailto:keith.mcke...@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday,

Updating Committers on Project Status Page (was RE: New committer: Chen ZuoJun)

2012-09-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
[mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 17:41 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: New committer: Chen ZuoJun On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: The Apache OpenOffice PPMC announces the addition of committer Chen ZuoJun, zjchen

RE: Updating Committers on Project Status Page (was RE: New committer: Chen ZuoJun)

2012-09-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
on Project Status Page (was RE: New committer: Chen ZuoJun) On Sep 23, 2012, at 7:14 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Rob, I recently took a look at http://incubator.apache.org/projects/openofficeorg.html to see if I could derive that list from the Roster. What gave me pause

RE: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-22 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I am not clear what the lazy consensus is about. Clearly, there is no restriction on anyone contributing to User Guides for Apache OpenOffice on ODFAUthors, beyond the terms/conventions/what-ever that apply to contributions there. So I suppose what is being asked for is consensus that there

RE: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-22 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Rob, I agree, there is no reason to turn away new contributions brought to the project by their contributors. I agree, the lazy consensus on this one is odd. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 14:18 To:

RE: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

2012-09-20 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Just for clarification, please. When you say voting is secret for ASF members and Board members, that there is a way to ensure only eligible voters cast at most one ballot, but the voters are not identified? That is, it is not known who voted and what their vote was? That is generally what is

RE: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

2012-09-20 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Dave, I'm puzzled. I thought this thread and the one on which nominations are being made was at the initiative of Andrew Rist. Are you and he collaborating on compilation of the results? It would be great if there was a single compilation of the results, it could be verified by anyone, and

RE: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC List

2012-09-19 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
-1 This procedure lacks transparency and accountability. It is incompatible with how project governance is accomplished. My recommendation is that those who have some reason to require anonymity with regard to their nominations (that is what it is, individuals are asked to make 10

RE: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

2012-09-19 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Did you mean to do this on the [PMC] Proposed PMC List thread, not the [DISCUSS] thread? -Original Message- From: Ian Lynch [mailto:ianrly...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 09:22 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List Ok, Andrew

RE: Amazon Download of Apache OpenOffice 3.4

2012-09-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Download of Apache OpenOffice 3.4 On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: [ ... ] 6. Amazon has a Games and Software Library for users. This can be used to re-download the software and also get product keys (not applicable for this one). Out of curiosity

RE: Amazon Download of Apache OpenOffice 3.4

2012-09-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Download of Apache OpenOffice 3.4 On Sep 15, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: 8. Going through the one-click purchase of the $0.00 software, I was not sent the executable. Instead, I was sent an Amazon OpenOffice 34 by Apache downloader executable. I ran it. It is a simple

RE: What is a good Project Management Committee?

2012-09-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
: What is a good Project Management Committee? 2012/9/16 Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org I have no position on how the PMC is established. I have no skin in the game. I do expect that the manner of selection might need to be a demonstration that this project is self-governing

RE: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
If, as Keith proposes, the work is conducted at the ODFAUthors site and the ODFAuthors licensing is retained, the question then becomes simply whether redistribution on a site in ASF custody is appropriate. That seems simplest and appropriate. Even if there is a concern about the dual-license

RE: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

2012-09-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
It is my understanding that the openoffice.org web site content is not a subject of the Oracle grant. Although the ASF now has custody of the domains, there is no content grant. The explicit licenses on content there continue to apply. My personal preference would be to continue on ODF

RE: Moderating ooo-private

2012-09-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Concerning the use of a boiler-plate rejection message: I have a concern about forcing users who may already be distressed and agitated to start over. Also there are no support channels in the sense that most users will understand that. As I recall, the reject message that is produced by the

RE: Moderating ooo-private

2012-09-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
...@msn.com was listed as subscribed. Trying again. -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@msn.com] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 07:57 To: OOo-private Apache Incubator Subject: PLEASE REJECT THIS MESSAGE This is a test request form an unsubscribed user. It is being

Amazon Download of Apache OpenOffice 3.4

2012-09-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
On learning that Amazon.com is offering downloads of Apache OpenOffice, I was curious enough to go through the purchase ($0.00) and download process at http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008XAXAC4/. Here's everything I noticed: 1. OOPS #1: It says the product is for Vista / XP, with no other

RE: What is a good Project Management Committee?

2012-09-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I have no position on how the PMC is established. I have no skin in the game. I do expect that the manner of selection might need to be a demonstration that this project is self-governing and that it fosters community. I have no problem with whatever size PMC is chosen. I am, nevertheless,

RE: What is a good Project Management Committee?

2012-09-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Committee? On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: [ ... ] I am, nevertheless, uncomfortable with the suggestion that the current PPMC can't be considered as having the trust of the community. I see no evidence of that. You might review the discussions

RE: Moderating AOO Public Lists - #2 Moderation

2012-09-10 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Thanks, TJ. That is a great point. That can be done with our lists, too. The only ones I reported, with considerable difficulty, were Linked In connection requests sent to ooo-private and ooo-users. - Dennis -Original Message- From: TJ Frazier [mailto:tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com] Sent:

RE: Volunteers needed to pickup some tasks

2012-09-09 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I think it is important to appreciate that project participation on ooo-security does require membership on the [P]PMC. The security@ apache.org list also has oversight on ooo-security@ i.a.o. The work on ooo-security has accountability to the PPMC. There are special arrangements that go

RE: Volunteers needed to pickup some tasks

2012-09-08 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I will soon need to be replaced as a moderator on ooo-users@ and ooo-private@ (requires [P]PMC member) as I unwind activities that require daily attention. So two volunteers would be good for those list. Then there can be overlap while they get the hang of it. - Dennis -Original

RE: What is a good Project Management Committee member?

2012-09-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I think the League of Crafty Guitarists is a brilliant metaphor. Thanks Dave. I think it might be good to notice, as well, how audiences respond as participants in such a performance. In pondering the question on this thread, I find that puzzling over roles may be off the mark. I still want

Who am I in the Matter (was RE: What is a good PMC member?)

2012-09-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
repercussion. I promise that when I mess up, I will clean it up. You can count on it. - Dennis PS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdLIerfXuZ4 -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 10:28 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org

RE: What is a good Project Management Committee member?

2012-09-06 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I see two things happening on this thread: Creation of a laundry list for what a PMC member should be. A request for PPMC members to be introspective. I suggest that there is a single issue that, if it were addressed instead, would unlock appreciation of what needs to be introduced in order

RE: What is a good Project Management Committee member?

2012-09-05 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Some musings: 1. I notice that the cafeteria tray is getting very full with these items. 2. I wonder if using a wiki page would be better for consolidating the consideration of traits and distinguishing what a PMC member shall bring to the party beyond being a committer. 3. The Boy Scout

RE: board report for Sept. 20, 2012

2012-09-04 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Minor correction: The proposal is at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012 down the list of reports in their alphabetical order. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 20:50 To:

RE: board report for Sept. 20, 2012

2012-09-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Dave, I don't know what the baseline was for the last report, so I have no idea what the deltas are. Where is the previous report to the IPMC? - Dennis PS: I may have provided that previous data, but it was a while ago [;). -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher

RE: board report for Sept. 20, 2012

2012-09-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
-dev Apache Incubator Subject: Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012 On Sep 3, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Dave, I don't know what the baseline was for the last report, so I have no idea what the deltas are. Where is the previous report to the IPMC? http://wiki.apache.org

2012-09-02 Status: PPMC and Committer Roster

2012-09-02 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
157 total -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 14:28 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: 2012-08-02 Status: PPMC and Committer Roster As of the end of day, 2012-08-02, the Apache OpenOffice podling has 109 committers

RE: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
There is a missing distinction here. The discussion about signed binaries is not about external signatures of the kind used by release managers and others, nor about the external digests and signatures that might be obtained in conjunction with a download. The signing of code that I am talking

RE: AOO and Code Signing (was Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice ... )

2012-08-27 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
@incubator.apache.org; orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote And so I get back to my question... How is this new requirement substantially different from the kind of signing we do today? And please notice the word substantially. On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Dennis E

RE: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
to AOO. Just let this discussion die please without further ado- you need not reply again here to acknowledge my request. From: Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: j...@jagunet.com

FW: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 12:12 To: gene...@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote Since my post was mentioned later on this thread, I thought I would summarize what I have as the take

RE: svn commit: r1377482 - /incubator/ooo/trunk/main/external_deps.lst

2012-08-26 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 on preserving the provenance and integrity of binary dependencies. I'd go with external signatures *and* hosting the specific artifacts on a reliable ASF location for preservation along with all ASF project sources that depended on those specific artifacts in any sort of review, release of

RE: svn commit: r1377482 - /incubator/ooo/trunk/main/external_deps.lst

2012-08-26 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
: r1377482 - /incubator/ooo/trunk/main/external_deps.lst On Aug 26, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: +1 on preserving the provenance and integrity of binary dependencies. I'd go with external signatures *and* hosting the specific artifacts on a reliable ASF location

RE: svn commit: r1377482 - /incubator/ooo/trunk/main/external_deps.lst

2012-08-26 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I concur with Rob's analysis here (quoted below). It occurs to me that there is another spanner in the works. This will impact whatever the signing process is. Namely: Not only does the installer need to be signed, but those *installed* components (e.g., .exe and .dll files) that can bear

RE: [DISCUSS] Proposed PMC Chair nomination process

2012-08-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I suggest that the initial Project Management Committee (PMC) needs to be identified before the election of a Chair from that body is undertaken. Also, this seems like a very good time to review, for the benefit of all here, what the duties of PMC members are and, with respect to that, what the

RE: [DISCUSS] Proposed PMC Chair nomination process

2012-08-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
? - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:30 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed PMC Chair nomination process On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I

RE: [DISCUSS] Proposed PMC Chair nomination process

2012-08-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
. Certainly and already replied. Maybe we should just call it the once and future PMC and stop having a silly semantic argument. I've written what I want to say about this today and will now go back to work. Regards, Dave Regards, Dave On Aug 23, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I

RE: [DISCUSS] Proposed PMC Chair nomination process

2012-08-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
: galoppini PPMC Pedro Giffuni : pfg PPMC Wolf Halton : wolfhalton PPMC Dennis E. Hamilton : orcmid PPMC Don Harbison : dpharbison PPMC Regina Henschel : regina PPMC Ivo Hinkelmann : ivo PPMC Kazunari Hirano : khirano PPMC Martin Hollmichel : mhollmichel PPMC Jim

RE: [DISCUSS] AOO Ready to Graduate

2012-08-19 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 on prerequisites. -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 09:40 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] AOO Ready to Graduate On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 2:43 AM,

RE: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-19 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+0 Abstain (binding) -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 08:53 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote Per the IPMC's Guide to Successful Graduation [1] this is the optional, but

RE: [DRAFT] AOO 3.4.1 Release Announcement for Review

2012-08-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
If I log in with my Roller account, I can see the preview. It appears that the URL is actually https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=announcing_apache_openoffice_3_41. - Dennis PS: Screen with empty content is what appears any time you refer to a post in preview that does not

RE: Office to Become Fully Open XML Compliant (at last)

2012-08-14 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
It is incorrect for Andy to claim that Transitional was not part of ISO/IEC 29500 for OOXML. It was there initially and still remains part of the specification. There has been some tidying up of the boundaries between strict and transitional, but they have always been provided for in the

RE: FW: Office to Become Fully Open XML Compliant (at last)

2012-08-14 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Rob is correct. The carve-out for strict was done as he says, with it not working that way in the original ECMA-376 (1st edition) specification that was brought to ISO/IEC JTC1. There were also some technical disconnects created in the way the carve-out was executed, although my perception is

RE: Office to Become Fully Open XML Compliant (at last)

2012-08-14 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Is it similar to the way that RTF 1.6 is now frozen but there are extension mechanisms that don't require change to the RTF specification itself? It was startling for me to notice that RTF anticipated the functionality of OOXML Markup Compatibility and Extensibility (MCE). - Dennis

RE: ODF angle in draw:transform are in degrees

2012-08-11 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The proposal that Regina brought to the ODF TC is safer. It does not depend on attempting to identify the producer. (In fact, the ODF specification says that the generator identification is *not* to be used in this manner. It is also unreliably used.) The idea is to face reality and affirm

RE: ODF angle in draw:transform are in degrees

2012-08-11 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
@Regina, Thanks. I agree that the transform case needs to be taken up also. My sense is that there is agreement that there should be transposition to SVG with attention to migration and down-level compatibility issues. I also agree that the situation with existing ODF 1.0/../1.2 documents

RE: Yes. You can do this with OpenOffice. (MysteryGuitarMan video with OpenOffice Mac)

2012-08-10 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I just noticed that the document is in XLS format, though it is seen running in OpenOffice.org Calc. (On a Mac?) The AC/DC ASCII-art video (one I first saw in an XLS format a couple of years ago) as done in ODS doesn't use any Windows-specific objects. The narrative explaining how that one

RE: Yes. You can do this with OpenOffice. (MysteryGuitarMan video with OpenOffice Mac)

2012-08-10 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
loves this stuff) -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 18:11 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: Yes. You can do this with OpenOffice. (MysteryGuitarMan video with OpenOffice Mac) I just noticed

New committer: Lin Yuan

2012-08-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The Apache OpenOffice PPMC announces the addition of committer Lin Yuan, yuanlin@ apache.org The list of all current podling committers is at: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo. Committers have a defined role in the workings of the Apache Software Foundation:

New committer: Sun Ying

2012-08-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The Apache OpenOffice PPMC announces the addition of committer Sun Ying, sunying@ apache.org The list of all current podling committers is at: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo. Committers have a defined role in the workings of the Apache Software Foundation:

New committer: Stuart Swales

2012-08-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The Apache OpenOffice PPMC announces the addition of committer Stuart Swales, sswales@ apache.org The list of all current podling committers is at: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo. Committers have a defined role in the workings of the Apache Software Foundation:

New committer: Jianyuan Li

2012-08-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The Apache OpenOffice PPMC announces the addition of committer Jianyuan Li, lijiany@ apache.org The list of all current podling committers is at: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo. Committers have a defined role in the workings of the Apache Software Foundation:

New committer: Khoem Sokhem

2012-08-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The Apache OpenOffice PPMC announces the addition of committer Khoem Sokhem, khoemsokhmen@ apache.org The list of all current podling committers is at: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo. Committers have a defined role in the workings of the Apache Software Foundation:

RE: New committer: Khoem Sokhem

2012-08-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Correct Apache User Name/ID: The Apache OpenOffice PPMC announces the addition of committer Khoem Sokhem, khoemsokhem@ apache.org -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 19:20 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc

2012-08-02 Status: PPMC and Committer Roster

2012-08-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
-Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 05:31 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: 2012-07-01 Status: PPMC and Committer Roster As of the end of day, 2012-07-01, the Apache OpenOffice podling has 101 committers, with 72 on the PPMC

New committer: Michal Hriň

2012-08-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The Apache OpenOffice PPMC announces the addition of committer Michal Hriň, hrin@ apache.org The list of all current podling committers is at: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo. Committers have a defined role in the workings of the Apache Software Foundation:

RE: Definition of draw:angle in ODF1.2 does not fit to implementation

2012-08-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
-Original Message- From: Armin Le Grand [mailto:armin.le.gr...@me.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 02:21 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Definition of draw:angle in ODF1.2 does not fit to implementation Hi Dennis, On 30.07.2012 22:21, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote

RE: Definition of draw:angle in ODF1.2 does not fit to implementation

2012-07-30 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
There appear to be three considerations: 1. What is type and unit of draw:angle in the draw:gradient element? In ODF 1.0, ODF 1.1, and ISO/IEC 26300:2006 (now aligned with ODF 1.1), the type is integer and there is no explanation of the scale of the unit. ODF 1.2 gives special attention

RE: T-Shirt for the Apache OpenOffice Project

2012-07-28 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I think, from the standpoint of AOO community, being an Apache committer is probably something to leave for an ASF T-shirt, if that is ever done at all. It might be better to leave such fine-grained details among AOO supporters and contributors to nametags or something similar (pins or

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