Re: Too many lists

2011-12-28 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Dec 28, 2011 3:16 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Dec 27, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Wolf Halton wrote: Hi Y'all Would it be better or worse to have working-group level IRC channels? E.g. people translating

Congratulations AOO - migrated website

2011-12-28 Thread Ross Gardler
Getting the website migrated was a major task. Congratulations. More importantly, thank you to everyone who helped in some way. (I trust this will be blogged) Ross Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.

Re: FW: New: fake openoffice site

2011-12-28 Thread Ross Gardler
On 28 December 2011 20:18, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I see a number of factors related to the bug report, below:  1. The high search-result placement for a pay-for-download site This is pretty much impossible to manage. There needs to be an attempt to get them to

Re: IP Clearance Milestone

2011-12-24 Thread Ross Gardler
Lotus, please do conduct the kind of outreach you are talking about. However, please now we have an official Apache blog. Let's not use another. It would be great ifyou can wind down the previous b Blogspot gradually and migrate people to our blog. Ross Sent from my mobile device, please

Re: IP Clearance Milestone

2011-12-24 Thread Ross Gardler
sorry, auto-correct messed with Louis' name Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Dec 24, 2011 9:39 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Lotus, please do conduct the kind of outreach you are talking about. However, please now we have an official Apache

RE: IP Clearance Milestone

2011-12-24 Thread Ross Gardler
Sorry Sally It's just a heads up about the potential issue of multi-lingual press releases from AOO. The first instance will be the milestone release in Q1 2012, so no rush. Looking further into the future there may be situations when a national group will want to do their own release. Ross

RE: IP Clearance Milestone

2011-12-24 Thread Ross Gardler
community. We recently did this for this past week's open letter: in addition to our usual distribution in English, it was also issued over the newswires in German. Hope this helps. -Sally [from the mobile; pls pardon spacing/spelling errors] -Original Message- From: Ross Gardler Sent

Re: Merry Christmas and some private thoughts

2011-12-23 Thread Ross Gardler
, enjoy the days, take your own break too, load your batteries for our next challenge in 2012. Regards Juergen -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: Recognitions...

2011-12-22 Thread Ross Gardler
rather fond of the idea of publishing a running account broadly titled, Voices of Development, that presents minimally edited accounts of those actually working on big projects.) thanks Louis -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http

Listening to the Bees

2011-12-22 Thread Ross Gardler
a new point or should I just stop dancing and let the others show their stuff. Ross [1] http://io9.com/5866215/bee-swarms-behave-just-like-neurons-in-the-human-brain -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: Calling TOO members re pootle data (was Re: Calling Martin, Stefan Matthias re the OOo pootle data)

2011-12-21 Thread Ross Gardler
and mentioned he had the box with the Pootle data available. This was before we had a running Pootle (Sorry that I am too lazy to look in the archives ;). Let's be patient, I am sure they will get to it. cheers, Pedro. --- Mar 20/12/11, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com ha scritto

Re: About Team OpenOffice.org

2011-12-21 Thread Ross Gardler
2011/12/20 Götz Wohlberg goetz.wohlb...@googlemail.com: Hi Ross, Thanks for your kind words! I've absorbed your email now and see all the appropriate questions have been asked. I look forward to hearing the answers and working with you to ensure you build the collaboration you need to realise

Re:About Team OpenOffice.org

2011-12-20 Thread Ross Gardler
A big welcome. I've had quite a day today so I'm not going to respond to your email at this point, I'm to tired to give it the attention it deserves. Maybe others will have more time. However, I did want to say it is great to hear from you. We look forward to working with you. Ross Sent from

Calling TOO members re pootle data (was Re: Calling Martin, Stefan Matthias re the OOo pootle data)

2011-12-20 Thread Ross Gardler
Since the TeamOO people have reached out to us I wonder if we can get some comment on the status of the pootle data that we understand was on a machine managed by TeamOO (see below) On 17 December 2011 01:54, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 16 December 2011 17:10, Andrew Rist

Re:Off topic

2011-12-18 Thread Ross Gardler
if this thread is to continue can we return to the original point... Ian: look even 15 year old schoolkids do really cool stuff Louis: yeah, we need to empower everyone That sounds like a great message to me. Our job is to decide how in the future, not endlesdly debate the past Ross (yes, I

Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?

2011-12-17 Thread Ross Gardler
: On 17 Dec 2011, at 01:29, Ross Gardler wrote: On 15 November 2011 22:47, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png Rob. I might need to reuse this, can I assume it is OK to do so. I don't plan to edit it in any way, just rename

A timeline for an Apache OO release

2011-12-17 Thread Ross Gardler
If I were to tell people when to expect an Apache OO release what would I say? Q1 2012? First half 2012? February 2012? Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?

2011-12-17 Thread Ross Gardler
. If I did want that then Michaels would indeed be a better document). Ross S.  On Dec 17, 2011 2:53 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Thanks Simon, unfortunately the representation here, indicating the date of the last release as the end of the line (literally

Re: A timeline for an Apache OO release

2011-12-17 Thread Ross Gardler
nearing a copyleft-free build milestone.  What I hear - and take this as an estimate, not a commitment -would be Q1 for a 3.4 release. -Rob On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: If I were to tell people when to expect an Apache OO release what would I say

Re: A timeline for an Apache OO release

2011-12-17 Thread Ross Gardler
On 17 December 2011 16:24, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 12/17/2011 05:09 PM, schrieb Ross Gardler: If I were to tell people when to expect an Apache OO release what would I say? Q1 2012? First half 2012? February 2012? ... Therefore I tent to First half 2012 when someone

Re: A timeline for an Apache OO release

2011-12-17 Thread Ross Gardler
On 17 December 2011 16:57, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.comwrote: A further, related question (I'm working on a blog piece) would we say Apache OpenOffice (incubating) plans to release a reference

Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?

2011-12-17 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Dec 17, 2011 5:09 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Dec 17, 2011 4:13 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: It's not the relative adoption I want to show. If I did want that then Michaels would indeed

Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?

2011-12-17 Thread Ross Gardler
-Original Message- From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com] Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 09:25 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter? [ ... ] I don't want to get into marking territory, comparing size, arguing over who

Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?

2011-12-17 Thread Ross Gardler
On 17 December 2011 19:50, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Dec 17, 2011 5:25 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: I'm looking for something that shows diversity in the open document format ecosystem. Ah, OK. Rob's chart is unsuitable for that, as he only shows projects

Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?

2011-12-17 Thread Ross Gardler
On 17 December 2011 22:01, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 17 December 2011 19:25, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Does that include converters and commercial offerings that have embedded

Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?

2011-12-17 Thread Ross Gardler
Lets not dive into another Us Vs Them argument, its not productive or necessary. Clearly Robs graphic is not suitable for my purpose, neither is Michaels. However, Simons suggestion of using the Wikipedia article is a good one. Ross

Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?

2011-12-17 Thread Ross Gardler
On 17 December 2011 22:50, eric b eric.bach...@free.fr wrote: Hi, Le 17 déc. 11 à 23:26, Ross Gardler a écrit : Lets not dive into another Us Vs Them argument, its not productive or necessary. Clearly Robs graphic is not suitable for my purpose, Well, it is not that bad

Re: A timeline for an Apache OO release

2011-12-17 Thread Ross Gardler
On 17 December 2011 17:14, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: The Apache OpenOffice (incubating) project set a tentative release time for OpenOffice.org Version 3.4 for the 1st Qtr of 2012. Thanks Drew, I like that. The only problem is there is no consensus at this point about branding/rebranding

Re: A timeline for an Apache OO release

2011-12-17 Thread Ross Gardler
live with that. Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: [PROPOSAL] Setup of ooo-users-it and ooo-project-it mailing lists

2011-12-16 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Dec 16, 2011 1:58 AM, Andrea Pescetti and...@pescetti.it wrote: On 11/12/2011 Andrea Pescetti wrote: For the time being, we would map the existing (12) Italian lists to - A support list, ... - A project list, ... If there

Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?

2011-12-16 Thread Ross Gardler
On 15 November 2011 22:47, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png Rob. I might need to reuse this, can I assume it is OK to do so. I don't plan to edit it in any way, just rename it to oo-derivatives (or similar) and move to an

Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?

2011-12-16 Thread Ross Gardler
On 15 November 2011 18:03, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: I have been mulling this over for a long time... Up to now, we have been reactionary. We have allowed others to control and distort the message, paint things

Calling Martin, Stefan Matthias re the OOo pootle data

2011-12-16 Thread Ross Gardler
On 16 December 2011 17:10, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: ... The server that http://pootle.services.openoffice.org was hosted on was paid for by funds from TOO (anecdotal, but I have no reason to question that).  TOO has retained physical custody of that server.  I have inquired

Re: Off topic

2011-12-15 Thread Ross Gardler
success of the previous business models. I was not referring to the health of the community, I was referring to the health of previous business models. Ross On 15 December 2011 22:44, Graham Lauder g.a.lau...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 14 Dec 2011 06:25:50 Ross Gardler wrote: On 13 December 2011

Too many lists

2011-12-14 Thread Ross Gardler
that nobody is forced off into a quiet corner where they are all alone. Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: Too many lists

2011-12-14 Thread Ross Gardler
talking about community health. I *don't* want to see unnecessary (at this time) lists (with the emphasis on at this time). Ross 2011/12/14 Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com I'm really concerned about the tendency of the AOO project to keep proposing and seriously considering new

Re: Too many lists

2011-12-14 Thread Ross Gardler
On 15 December 2011 04:33, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 15.12.11 00:26, schrieb Ross Gardler: I'm really concerned about the tendency of the AOO project to keep proposing and seriously considering new lists (well that is probably over stating it, but I am genuinely concerned

Re: About the Former Native Language projects

2011-12-13 Thread Ross Gardler
Michael, I'm sorry we have failed to include you and other NL volunteers. It is fantastic that you have found your way here. Even better that you have de-lurked to share your story. Please be assured that your skills and contributions are needed and recognised here at Apache OpenOffice. That

Re: Off topic

2011-12-13 Thread Ross Gardler
2011 18:24, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: forum for ecosystem activity. Q: Would Apache be the site for that? That all depends on what you mean by ecosystem activity. Apache exists to produce open source software for the public good. How nice. :-) I mean civil

Re: About the Former Native Language projects

2011-12-13 Thread Ross Gardler
On 13 December 2011 11:33, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ross, Michael and all, On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Please tell us what you need in order to continue your work and where possible help us get it up and running

Lost localisation files?

2011-12-13 Thread Ross Gardler
if we could get these files visible again. Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: Lost localisation files?

2011-12-13 Thread Ross Gardler
On 13 December 2011 12:33, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 6:59 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Michael Bauer said, in another thread: - As a matter of urgency, some simple download site where locales that got stuck when OO Pootle went down can

Re: About the Former Native Language projects

2011-12-13 Thread Ross Gardler
On 13 December 2011 13:21, Roberto Salomon roberto.salo...@gmail.com wrote: Ross, There are more of us, former NL volunteers, lurking in the list. Great to see you de-lurking. I'm sure Michael will be pleased to hear he's not the only one. I'll bet there are a good few more. It is good to

Re: Off topic

2011-12-13 Thread Ross Gardler
On 13 December 2011 14:05, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 December 2011 11:12, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: I'm not sure where this meme of can't be done here in Apache is coming from. Maybe can be done in the future but not right now? Louis original mail

Re: Pootle (was Re: About the Former Native Language projects)

2011-12-13 Thread Ross Gardler
On 13 December 2011 14:27, Dwayne Bailey dwa...@translate.org.za wrote: ... From the look of it Apache might be using this server for more then just OOo which I love even more. The Subversion project has been using Pootle for some time. They maintained their own instance in a VM. When AOO

Re: Off topic

2011-12-13 Thread Ross Gardler
On 13 December 2011 16:16, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Further points. OOo differed from Mozilla, for instance, but resembled Eclipse in that we accepted funds for development work. At a conference hosted by financial firms where I represented OOo and there were

Re: Extensions and templates

2011-12-12 Thread Ross Gardler
On 10 December 2011 00:53, Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au wrote: -Original Message- From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com] Sent: Saturday, 10 December 2011 10:13 AM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Extensions and templates On 8 December 2011 12

Re: Off topic

2011-12-12 Thread Ross Gardler
On 12 December 2011 23:17, Louis Suárez-Potts lsuarezpo...@gmail.com wrote: Ian, yes, your post was refreshingly OT :-) But not really, too, as I think it more generally points to the need to provide a forum for ecosystem activity. Q: Would Apache be the site for that? That all depends on

Re: Extensions and templates

2011-12-09 Thread Ross Gardler
cleared up yet. Can anyone state that we are legally able to take the Drupal code? If not can someone pick this up while Gav and the growing team of volunteers on this task look at the technical side of things. Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http

Re: [DISCUSS]: hosting of source code that doesn't belong to the office directly

2011-12-06 Thread Ross Gardler
I've not seen any discussion of IP management in these extensions. All contributions would have to be made with an ICLA on file, all licenses would have to be acceptable and releases would have to be managed properly. Similarly development of the choose would be community led. Does the PPMC want

Re: [DISCUSS]: hosting of source code that doesn't belong to the office directly

2011-12-06 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Dec 6, 2011 9:41 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 12/6/11 9:07 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: I've not seen any discussion of IP management in these extensions. All contributions would have to be made

Re:AOO 3.4 Feature impact from IP cleanup

2011-12-06 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Dec 6, 2011 1:22 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I'd like to draw your attention to the following wiki page. It lists the libraries that are being removed from the code, because of incompatible licenses. It lists the

Re: AOO 3.4 Feature impact from IP cleanup

2011-12-06 Thread Ross Gardler
On 6 December 2011 13:56, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Dec 6, 2011 1:22 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I'd like to draw your

Re: AOO 3.4 Feature impact from IP cleanup

2011-12-06 Thread Ross Gardler
On 6 December 2011 13:57, Allen Pulsifer apulsi...@apache.org wrote: @Ross: It is my vague recollection that we have discussed OpenOffice as being a special case with aspects new or different than the usual Apache project, and that the project would be continuing to do binary releases, most

Civility please

2011-11-30 Thread Ross Gardler
In the last couple of days there had been a significant increase in name calling and finger pointing on this list. This is not acceptable. Apache communities work by being open, civil and cooperative. Regardless of other peoples actions there is no excuse for intolerance. When replying to

Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?

2011-11-28 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 28, 2011 8:05 AM, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Rob, On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:55 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I have no idea. But my impression was that Oracle was not withholding any relevant

Re: Moving into mentor-idle state

2011-11-28 Thread Ross Gardler
On 28 November 2011 09:48, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Hello folks, I am currently a bit exhausted and would like to make some kind of a break with ooo.  I don't want to leave completely, but I want to take the opportunity not to read so much e-mails :-) and relax a for a

Re: What about BrOffice?

2011-11-28 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 28, 2011 6:43 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hi guys; ... AFAICT, BrOffice is not a trademark SUN owned so it was not transferred to the

Re: Source Code Sponsor of OOo

2011-11-22 Thread Ross Gardler
2011/11/22 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com: On 11/21/11 10:12 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: Alexandro started fixing the Spanish site, but there is more to do ... it would be interesting to know where the problem is and what the planned changes are. There are valid concerns about the page

Re: Source Code Sponsor of OOo

2011-11-22 Thread Ross Gardler
On 22 November 2011 11:36, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ross and all, Shall we use native language instead of national language please? Yes - thanks for reminding me. Ross On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: That is not to say

Re: Source Code Sponsor of OOo

2011-11-21 Thread Ross Gardler
into Apache software. Greetings from Thomas -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: Use of copyrighted images with permission

2011-11-20 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 20, 2011 6:49 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: On Saturday, November 19, 2011 11:50 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: ASF logo's are available under the Apache licence but they are also

Re: Getting permission to use OpenOffice Trademarks (draft)

2011-11-20 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 20, 2011 6:50 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: On Saturday, November 19, 2011 8:27 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Quite possibly. This is the first ASF project that, as far as I am

Re:Microsoft Tools for Windows Builds

2011-11-20 Thread Ross Gardler
We used to have free MSDN licenses for Apache projects. I can't remember the details and I'm not sure if the donation is still valid. Would this provide what is needed in a convenient way? If so I'll find or what the status is. Ross Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.

RE: Microsoft Tools for Windows Builds

2011-11-20 Thread Ross Gardler
-Original Message- From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 02:05 To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org; ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Regina Henschel Subject: Re:Microsoft Tools for Windows Builds We used to have free MSDN licenses for Apache

RE: Microsoft Tools for Windows Builds

2011-11-20 Thread Ross Gardler
the configuration is located properly before even attempting the build. This may get us over some of the gnarlies that seem to be in the way of easily setting up a Windows build. But it is just a proof-of-concept at this point. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Ross Gardler

Re: Non-Apache maintenance release for OOo 3.3?

2011-11-19 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 19, 2011 5:22 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi (Nonsense words? iPad's spellchecker.) -- Louis Suárez-Potts On 2011-11-18, at 16:42, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: I wouldn't even start

Re:Getting permission to use OpenOffice Trademarks (draft)

2011-11-19 Thread Ross Gardler
This is great Rob, thanks for digging it out. It probably should go on the website. Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 19, 2011 2:56 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: We went through this all a couple of months ago. We processed permission requests for

Re: Getting permission to use OpenOffice Trademarks (draft)

2011-11-19 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 19, 2011 4:52 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Rob, I think the Team OOo situation involving Fundraising that confuses brand ownership requires some additional rules. Fundraising that confuses brand

Re: Getting permission to use OpenOffice Trademarks (draft)

2011-11-19 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 19, 2011 6:32 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 19, 2011 4:52 PM

Re: Use of copyrighted images with permission

2011-11-19 Thread Ross Gardler
On 19 November 2011 21:03, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: --- On Sat, 11/19/11, Rob Weir wrote: So you have his permission to use it.  But does Apache have his permission?  And what about downstream consumers?  Although it is unlikely, we need to consider the possibility that someone

RE: [DISCUSS]+[VOTE] Trademark and Branding

2011-11-18 Thread Ross Gardler
answering the factual question, were I aware of it at the time. I agree, we don't need to be sympathetic in these cases. Our system does not exclude anyone from participating. Ross - Dennis -Original Message- From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com] Sent: Thursday

RE: Non-Apache maintenance release for OOo 3.3?

2011-11-18 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 18, 2011 7:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: ... An OpenOffice.org 3.3.1 maintenance release is *not* going to be an Apache release, and not using any Apache code or licenses, I surmise. It will be

Re: Non-Apache maintenance release for OOo 3.3?

2011-11-18 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 18, 2011 9:42 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Nov 18, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 18, 2011 7:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton

Re: [DISCUSS]+[VOTE] Trademark and Branding

2011-11-17 Thread Ross Gardler
On 17 November 2011 22:19, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:33:30 + Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: It would help if someone told them they can post here without subscribing and read responses via the archives (which is more than can be said

Re: Board reports late

2011-11-15 Thread Ross Gardler
On 15 November 2011 12:36, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: [cross posted, please be sure to only reply to your appropriate list] Your board reports are late: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/November2011

Re: [code] main/dmake

2011-11-15 Thread Ross Gardler
On 15 November 2011 13:01, Andre Fischer a...@a-w-f.de wrote: From what I read so far we have the following prerequisites: - The dmake source code has to be removed from the Apache SVN repository. In order to graduate, yes. While in the interim you have time to work on that removal. - The

Re: Board reports late

2011-11-15 Thread Ross Gardler
On 15 November 2011 15:54, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 15 November 2011 12:36, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: [cross

Re: Board reports late

2011-11-15 Thread Ross Gardler
On Tuesday, 15 November 2011, Stefane Fermigier s...@nuxeo.com wrote: On Nov 15, 2011, at 4:57 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: [cross posted, please be sure to only reply to your appropriate list] Your board reports are late: What's the deadline ? It's in the Wiki page I linked to: These reports

Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?

2011-11-15 Thread Ross Gardler
need something that might be seen as aggressive, if the TDF as a whole really reacted the way we were told then such a letter may be seen as an attack on the TDF itself, rather than an attempt to address FUD from a few. Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development

Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?

2011-11-15 Thread Ross Gardler
On 15 November 2011 21:03, Danese Cooper dan...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.comwrote: On 15 November 2011 18:31, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Why the AL is important for such a standard such as Open Office and ODF; Hey

Re: ODF Plugfest in Gouda, NL (17th+18th Nov. 2011)

2011-11-14 Thread Ross Gardler
=plugfests:200906_thehague:participants:oliver-rainer_wittmann [4] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/OpenOffice.org+Migration+Status -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-11-14 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 15, 2011 2:18 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lsuarezpo...@gmail.com wrote: Have you looked at what we were doing in OOo? Errr This is OOo, right here. I'm not sure I understand your question. If still up, you can see the

Board reports late

2011-11-14 Thread Ross Gardler
[cross posted, please be sure to only reply to your appropriate list] Your board reports are late: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/November2011 -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: Is it time for a build machine?

2011-11-14 Thread Ross Gardler
On 14 November 2011 18:44, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 15, 2011 2:18 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lsuarezpo...@gmail.com wrote: Have you looked at what we were doing in OOo? Errr This is OOo, right here

Re: OOo Business...

2011-11-11 Thread Ross Gardler
On 10 November 2011 14:53, Louis Suárez-Potts lsuarezpo...@gmail.com wrote: Uhm. I think a list is good… but. ... I can't give an accurate number right now, as the Web page is off. But I'd say toward the end about 10 or so; but that was using the Web interface, which evaded the spam effect.

representing OOo (was Re: [Request] create ooo-disc...@incubator.apache.org mailing list)

2011-11-09 Thread Ross Gardler
of how constructive your contributions are. Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: [Request] create ooo-disc...@incubator.apache.org mailing list

2011-11-09 Thread Ross Gardler
On 8 November 2011 23:58, eric b eric.bach...@free.fr wrote: Hi Shane, Le 8 nov. 11 à 23:48, Shane Curcuru a écrit : As a mentor, I have two comments: - When requesting a new mailing list, it is critical to clearly define the focus and expected community that would use a list.  In

Re: [Request] create ooo-disc...@incubator.apache.org mailing list

2011-11-09 Thread Ross Gardler
source mailing list. Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: representing OOo (was Re: [Request] create ooo-disc...@incubator.apache.org mailing list)

2011-11-09 Thread Ross Gardler
On 9 November 2011 05:07, Louis Suárez-Potts lsuarezpo...@gmail.com wrote: ... What I'll do is re-cast my shadow to be representing me, Louis, in personae Louis, and if my interests and those of Apache OOo coincide, then whoopee. Perfect! Thanks for understanding. Ross

Re: [code] main/dmake

2011-11-05 Thread Ross Gardler
In order to graduate there can be no license incompatible code in SVN. The solution below is ok only as an interim solution. Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 4 Nov 2011, at 15:38, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, our build tool dmake is

Re: Process for deciding on branding strategy for our first release

2011-11-01 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Nov 1, 2011 12:52 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 1 Nov 2011, at 00:44, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: My understanding is that this oddity came about because the OpenOffice trademark is owned by another group (or

Re: Ohloh

2011-10-30 Thread Ross Gardler
be created and archived if Ohloh is not able to track two repositories (the legacy one and the current SVN at Apache). With all its limitations (inaccurate attribution and so on) the legacy repository is still a valuable source of information. Perhaps hosted at apache-extras.org? Ross -- Ross

Re:Working on a project roadmap ...

2011-10-26 Thread Ross Gardler
I want to make a couple of things clear about ASF projects (I speak with my mentor hat on but not necessarily for other mentors): Firstly, the ASF has many years of experience in running successful open source projects. We even have a few failures to teach us some lessons too. This produces a

Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-26 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Oct 25, 2011 2:01 PM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: Thank you Pedro for the very well thought out and politely presented explanation of your point. It's very helpful to have this kind of honest and detailed

Re: working on a OpenOffice roadmap

2011-10-26 Thread Ross Gardler
I'd like to return this thread to the original topic. Martin, Have you any further thoughts on Shanes comments below (I'm aware there was a response from you later in the thread but it got lost, I've come back to this point to get close to the root of the thread and as far away as possible from

Re: Shutdown of the download.services.openoffice.org host and its Mirrorbrain instance

2011-10-26 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Oct 27, 2011 1:22 AM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 10/27/2011 02:03 AM, schrieb Ross Gardler: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Oct 27, 2011 12:37 AM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m

Re: Making donations to the project

2011-10-19 Thread Ross Gardler
On 19 October 2011 09:20, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: This is a transfer of a discussion that started on the private list. It started by considering the situation of TeamOO in relation to the ASF. Many people over time have made small donations to TeamOO - some probably that are

Re: How voting works...

2011-10-19 Thread Ross Gardler
On 19 October 2011 10:01, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: snip In other words, make every action of the PPMC as inclusive as possible. +1 Thank you Dennis for bothering to explain

Re: Making donations to the project

2011-10-19 Thread Ross Gardler
On 19 October 2011 11:09, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: ... Nothing seems to prevent me from doing what I would want to be doing anyway. If someone wants to set up a fund for donating directly to support AOO I don't really see why that would be a problem either. Even if ASF didn't

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