IRC Channel?

2011-06-14 Thread Rob Weir
Is there a convention among Apache projects or podlings for where their have their IRC channels and what they are named? -Rob

Podling website

2011-06-14 Thread Rob Weir
Our website link is: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ Astute observers may notice that nothing is there. I'd like to get a basic podling web site up there ASAP, so we can put out the welcome mat, have a place to report status and accomplishments, list committers, etc. As we get an

Re: Teams and Leads

2011-06-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:27 AM, RA Stehmann anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de wrote: I think we shouldn't invent the wheel twice ;-). The OpenOffice.org community has an more or less good working infrastructure of leads, contact persons, native lang communities, teams, mailing lists, websites

Re: External dependencies (was Re: [discuss] remove of binfilter module)

2011-06-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:09, Pedro Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.com wrote: On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:59:12 +0200, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net ... Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding was that nowhere in the code

Re: Native Language vs l10n

2011-06-17 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.comwrote: Can you understand, that due to the nature of OOo it always had very strong language specific communities, wich significantly contributed to the huge success of OOo? Interfering with the habits and cultures

Re: Podling website - Access Denied

2011-06-17 Thread Rob Weir
/ for the markdown sources. The way to get everything into svn is to add them to the ooo tree the way you would any other code. Once the basic tree is established, file an INFRA Jira ticket to enable the CMS webgui and publishing facilities. - Original Message From: Rob Weir apa

Re: Podling website

2011-06-17 Thread Rob Weir
would any other code. Once the basic tree is established, file an INFRA Jira ticket to enable the CMS webgui and publishing facilities. - Original Message From: Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Fri, June 17, 2011 4:18:49 PM Subject: Re: Podling

Re: Podling website - Access Denied

2011-06-17 Thread Rob Weir
Message From: Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Fri, June 17, 2011 8:39:43 PM Subject: Re: Podling website - Access Denied Same thing here. I'm ready to check in the whole site. But I get this error when committing: access to '/repos/asf/!svn

Re: Oh, let's not forget @openoffice.org too

2011-06-20 Thread Rob Weir
I'm having difficulty reconciling the openoffice.org email forwarding service with how Apache projects work. Having such an address appears to suggest that the person is representing the project,or at the very least is a member of the project. But we speak as individuals, both in the project and

Re: What do we do at Apache versus what do we do elsewhere?

2011-06-20 Thread Rob Weir
Could you say a little about subprojects and how they work at Apache? Are they the same as components? Do they have their own PMCs and their own list of committers? -Rob On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Rob, And then there are other functions

Re: HowTo for editing the website

2011-06-20 Thread Rob Weir
I sidenav.mdtext we specify links like this: - [Get Involved](get-involved.html) - [Mailing Lists](mailing-lists.html) - [People](people.html) We could make those be absolute URL's like: - [Get Involved](http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html) - [Mailing

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Community and Developer Wikis Now Available

2011-06-21 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 2:24 AM, eric b eric.bach...@free.fr wrote: Even for a wiki ? I won't sign any *LA.  Sorry, I was wrong to believe it could be possible to contribute without sign that. Note that this is not a copyright aggregation agreement like Sun/Oracle had. Have you read the

Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code

2011-06-21 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@openoffice.org wrote: Can you provide any supporting data? Having some canonical metrics would also help in evaluating the future code rewrite that will have to be done at Apache. Did OOo have a specialized performance team? Are

Re: i18npool files from ICU

2011-06-21 Thread Rob Weir
remark) and start with those from the current ICU instead? Regards, Mathias On 21.06.2011 13:59, Rob Weir wrote: ICU is open source today:  http://site.icu-project.org/ The license is the ICU License: http://source.icu-project.org/repos/icu/icu/trunk/license.html According to the ICU web

Project Plan Matrix on the Wiki

2011-06-21 Thread Rob Weir
Now that we have the support of a wiki for planning, I've tried to put a little structure around the plan, defining some project milestones and functional areas: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home Each combination of milestone and functional area links to its own

Project Plan Matrix on the Wiki

2011-06-21 Thread Rob Weir
Now that we have the support of a wiki for planning, I've tried to put a little structure around the plan, defining some project milestones and functional areas: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home Each combination of milestone and functional area links to its own

Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code

2011-06-22 Thread Rob Weir
Hi Mathias, Would it be possible to get the list of 3rd party modules and their current status up on the wiki? Discussions should remain on the list, I think. But if the module list is up on the wiki, along with status, then we can do some of the analysis in parallel.

Re: Request for permission to use the OOo Trademark (was: Teams and Leads)

2011-06-22 Thread Rob Weir
Hi Ian, Any luck raising the trademark issue with Apache Branding? -Rob On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: Thanks, Ian. I don't see anything in the Apache trademark policy [1] that talks about training certificates.  But it does say that use

Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code

2011-06-22 Thread Rob Weir
the list into the Ooo wiki some days ago: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ApacheMigration#Regexp For the files we already treated on the list, the status is there also. Feel free to move to the apache wiki what you see fit. Regards, Mathias On 22.06.2011 15:42, Rob Weir wrote

Re: New goals for OOo

2011-06-22 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Grzegorz Rajda melloned...@gmail.com wrote: Good evening, All write this to other mailing-list as response to mail from Key Schenk. I wan't discus this with You and back to OOo development. What You think about that? Last changes in infrastructure (Oracle,

Re: New goals for OOo

2011-06-22 Thread Rob Weir
dave2w...@comcast.net: On Jun 22, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Grzegorz Rajda melloned...@gmail.com wrote: Good evening, All write this to other mailing-list as response to mail from Key Schenk. I wan't discus this with You and back to OOo development

Re: Sending Wiki Notifications to Mailing Lists

2011-06-22 Thread Rob Weir
I appreciate that. But I also suspect that with 1,000 change notifications per day, no oversight at all will occur. So given the scale of the anticipated wiki, how do we get the maximum actual oversight? -Rob On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Wed,

Re: So what about QA?

2011-06-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: I also appreciate these conversations but I get a feeling we are inventing the wheel from scratch. Most of the questions regarding QA, Testing, Documentation, and such where already documented. So I wonder if the

Re: Sending Wiki Notifications to Mailing Lists

2011-06-23 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: In light of this conversation I am changing the proposal to this: For both the Community Forum (OOOUSER) and the Developer Forum (OOODEV) I now propose sending an email with a daily digest to ooo-commits@incubator.a.o.

Re: Contributors versus Committers versus PMC members

2011-06-24 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Rob, * -- see below On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: Since almost all of us are new to Apache we're learning a lot about how Apache projects organize themselves.  Based on my

Re: [PATCH] Corrected two typos on website

2011-06-24 Thread Rob Weir
Good job, both. My little mystery was trying to figure out why SVN was not letting me apply the patch. Then I figured it out. The patch had already been applied. ;-) Perhaps a convention in the future would be that the committer who wants to review and merge a patch first claims the patch on

Re: [PATCH] Corrected two typos on website

2011-06-24 Thread Rob Weir
, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: Better to let subversion resolve coordination problems than to put up obstructions to jfdi, IMO. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: Good job, both. My little mystery was trying to figure out why

Re: [PATCH] Corrected two typos on website

2011-06-24 Thread Rob Weir
, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: How?  By locking the files that are being patched while doing the review?  Would that have really told the 2nd reviewer anything? Locking only prevents me from committing by working copy.  It doesn't prevent me from applying a patch to my working copy, right

Re: Contributors versus Committers versus PMC members - AND USERS

2011-06-24 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I think this is extremely important and I'm embarrassed that I missed it. I'm also thinking that we need an ooo-user list pretty soon. In the incubation proposal we said that we would not be requesting a

Re: Contributors versus Committers versus PMC members - AND USERS

2011-06-24 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: Rob Weir wrote: Does anyone see a difference other than the obvious difference of technology, between the OOo user list and the forums?  Are they being used for different kinds of things?  Or are they just different

Re: Contributors versus Committers versus PMC members - AND USERS

2011-06-25 Thread Rob Weir
Do we know how many language-specific user lists we have at OOo today? Not forums, but user mailing lists. -Rob On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Yes, IMHO we must have user mailing lists for their native languages. Otherwise we cannot bring them

How about a next-generation approach to user support?

2011-06-25 Thread Rob Weir
From a user's perspective, maximum satisfaction comes from not having a question in the first place. The product just works intuitively. They don't need to interrupt their task to find out 'How do I do X?. If they need to search for an answer to a question, the product has already failed them,

Re: Contributors versus Committers versus PMC members - AND USERS

2011-06-25 Thread Rob Weir
Thanks for the list. I looked around. Some lists are very active. Some have not seen activity for a year or more. Some seem to never have been active. And some are just full of spam :-( I can see three ways to decide what to do (but maybe someone has other ideas?): 1) Recreate the structure

Re: Contributors versus Committers versus PMC members - AND USERS

2011-06-25 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: Thanks for the list.  I looked around.  Some lists are very active. Some have not seen activity for a year or more.  Some seem to never have

Re: Give Me a C, Give me an R, CTR! The Incubator OpenOffice Web Site

2011-06-26 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: . . . (I have no idea where learning the ropes comes from.  What is the expression in your part of the world?) This is a nautical term. A new sailor would need to learn the rigging of the ship, as well as

Re: Source format for user guides

2011-06-26 Thread Rob Weir
I like the idea of using ODF, for the reasons you state. I assuming this implies ODF files in the SVN repository. If so, we're going to have three pain points: 1) Since ODF is not a text format, diff's are not possible with the default SVN tools. Yes, we can do change tracking inside of the

Re: Source format for user guides

2011-06-26 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: Rob Weir wrote: I like the idea of using ODF, for the reasons you state. I assuming this implies ODF files in the SVN repository.  If so, we're going to have three pain points: 1) Since ODF is not a text format

Top level question on website migration

2011-06-27 Thread Rob Weir
Assuming we're not trying for a big bang migration where we move everything at once, it seems we have two main approaches: 1) Assign existing OpenOffice.org DNS to Apache now. For services which we have not yet migrated to Apache we redirect back to Oracle's server, by IP address. As additional

http://OpenOffice.org httpd logs, web analytics, etc.

2011-06-27 Thread Rob Weir
Do we have any detailed access logs or reports for OOo? I think that would be useful for prioritizing service migration, decided what to archive versus what to keep alive, etc. I've heard a lot of anecdotal stories, but hard data is good to get the complete picture. If it would be possible to

Re: Request for permission to use the OOo Trademark (was: Teams and Leads)

2011-06-27 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: Just in case other folks missed the tie-in between the different threads:  branding and trademark policy for all Apache projects is handled on the privately archived tradema...@apache.org mailing list. Apache policy is

Re: Getting to our first build

2011-06-28 Thread Rob Weir
that you are already doing. But in that case I think it would help if we had a roadmap for the next couple of weeks, of what tasks remains, so others can help as well. -Rob On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 4:55 AM, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote: On 27.06.2011 22:06, Rob Weir wrote: I

Scope of Apache license: what needs to be covered?

2011-06-28 Thread Rob Weir
Let me state my assumptions, which might be incorrect, but I think it is worth being explicit, so my errors can be more easily corrected. Apache projects make releases. These releases consist at least of tarballs containing source code. The contents of releases must be consist only of files

Re: Getting to our first build

2011-06-28 Thread Rob Weir
Let me summarize what I'm hearing the initial steps then are. 1) We take the OOo source code with tag OOO340_m1 from hg.services.openoffice.org, including the full history, and convert that into a SVN repository, e.g.,: hg convert --dest-type svn hgreponame svnreponame Who does this? Is

Re: Please add your name to the contributors page

2011-06-28 Thread Rob Weir
Is there markdown text for tables? I looked around and did not find anything. -Rob On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.orgwrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Rob Weir apa

Re: Please add your name to the contributors page

2011-06-28 Thread Rob Weir
with preview? -Rob On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: Is there markdown text for tables?  I looked around and did not find anything. MoinMoin uses an ascii art-like, googling I found many

Re: Scope of Apache license: what needs to be covered?

2011-06-28 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 20:44 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 19:22 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: It might help to be explicit

Re: Introduction

2011-06-29 Thread Rob Weir
Welcome to the project, Mouette. It is good to see that we have a Solaris expert here, to help with that port. We also have BSD members, and of course Windows and Linux. But do we have a Mac programmer on board? -Rob On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:47 PM, L'oiseau de mer oiseau...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Build-Translate-Plan

2011-06-29 Thread Rob Weir
It might be useful to make a distinction between two things: 1) What is needed to have a successful first build? (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Build-Translate-Plan) 2) What is needed to have a successful first release?

Re: Build-Translate-Plan

2011-06-29 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 09:11, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Right. Maybe we should split this into 2 parts: 1. The very first build(s) to handle fixes for build breaker: IMHO here it should be enough to have

Re: Invitation to speak at TransferSummit

2011-06-29 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: This sounds great Donald. No worries about being new to the ASF, I'm really wanting someone with some history with OOo that can talk about why you (not your employer) felt that Apache was chosen as the final home.

OpenOffice project interest in South Africa?

2011-06-29 Thread Rob Weir
Just noticed that we had project members from North America, South America, Europe, Asia and Australia. So 5 of 7 continents. I have doubts that we'll get anyone from Antarctica. But I thought there was strong interest in OpenOffice in South Africa, especially with their many official

Re: OpenOffice project interest in South Africa?

2011-06-29 Thread Rob Weir
ask Aslam Raffee. He used to be on the OASIS ODF Adoption TC. On  Jun 29, 2011 5:58 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote:  Am 06/29/2011 11:08 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: Just noticed that we had  project members from North America, South America, Europe, Asia and  Australia. So 5 of 7

Re: OOo site down

2011-06-29 Thread Rob Weir
Alexandro, were the posts sent to the list today just queued up and eventually delivered? Or did they bounce during the outage? -Rob On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: Got my email back, thanks for the updates. On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:43 PM,

Re: Introduction: Jin Hua, Chen

2011-06-30 Thread Rob Weir
Hello Jin Hua. Welcome to the Apache OpenOffice project. I see that you already have an Apache ID. This is good. Could you add a row for yourself to this page: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html Instructions for editing the webpage are here:

Why list of preferred userids ?

2011-06-30 Thread Rob Weir
When we process new committers, we're asking them for a list of preferred userids? Why is that so? Is that just in case there is a conflict? (But that should be trivial to prevent by having them look at the list of Apache ID's initially). Or are they set up with userid aliases? -Rob

Re: Speaking of JIRA, Where's Ours?

2011-06-30 Thread Rob Weir
I'd like to reopen this question,since I haven't seen a resolution. I'm hearing some proposing Bugzilla, because of familiarity and ease of migration. I'm also hearing some say that JIRA is superior. I'm not really persuaded by either argument. I wonder if we could briefly drill down into this

Re: How do I get an Apache ID for OOo?

2011-06-30 Thread Rob Weir
What Andy said, as well as: http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#meritocracy -Rob On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: Ted Rolle, Jr. wrote: I'd like to participate in the OOo project. I'm a programmer and documentation editor. Ted A

Re: Speaking of JIRA, Where's Ours?

2011-06-30 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: I'd like to reopen this question,since I haven't seen a resolution. I'm hearing some proposing Bugzilla, because of familiarity and ease

Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-07-01 Thread Rob Weir
We continue to discuss moving this work to Apache. Feedback so far has been to try for an eventual TLP. We're starting to draft the Incubation proposal. We talked to the maintainer of the C#/AODL component and he confirmed that it is not really active anymore. He might move it to bitbucket.

Re: Please add your name to the contributors page

2011-07-01 Thread Rob Weir
Tel:(86-10)51570010-6150 email:hanshuw...@redoffice.com,hanshuw...@tsinghua.org.cn MSN: han_shuw...@hotmail.com Address:2F HuiLongSen Tower A,18 Xihuan South Road, YiZhuang Economic and Technological Develop Zone, Daxing District, Beijing, China. -- *发件人:* Rob

Re: Releasing OOo 3.4 on the old infrastructure

2011-07-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@openoffice.org wrote: I understand that the necessary code reorganization in the Apache project will forbid a public release for months. Aside from the obvious technical tasks of producing code, translation and documentation, a release

Re: OOO and LibreOffice.

2011-07-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 3 Jul 2011, at 19:43, Ross Gardler wrote: But before we can get to that point we need to address the technical differences between the two code bases. LO is already 8 months or so adrift of OOo (or at least that is

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for July 2011 (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org)

2011-07-03 Thread Rob Weir
Mentors, how is this report typically handled by the PPMC? Can a PPMC member just draft it and seek lazy consensus to submit? Or does this require an explicit PPMC vote? -Rob On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:00 AM, no-re...@apache.org wrote: Dear OpenOffice.org Developers, This email was sent by

Re: Uh oh: OpenOffice.org XML Namespaces and Sun Mediatypes

2011-07-04 Thread Rob Weir
Java projects that move to Apache have a similar issue. They often convert from their pre-existing package structure to an org.apache.foo structure. Not sure if that is mandatory or not, but they seem to like to converge on an Apache namespace. But I think XML namespaces are different, since

Re: Uh oh: OpenOffice.org XML Namespaces and Sun Mediatypes

2011-07-04 Thread Rob Weir
: rabas...@gmail.com [mailto:rabas...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Rob Weir Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 05:51 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Uh oh: OpenOffice.org XML Namespaces and Sun Mediatypes Java projects that move to Apache have a similar issue.  They often convert from their pre

Re: Releasing OOo 3.4 on the old infrastructure

2011-07-04 Thread Rob Weir
why not let the discussions happen wherever, including here? - Original Message From: Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Mon, July 4, 2011 9:32:34 PM Subject: Re: Releasing OOo 3.4 on the old infrastructure IMHO, if we're discussing a non-Apache

Re: OOO and LibreOffice.

2011-07-04 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.com wrote: In general I avoid commenting threads like this, as in my POV the licensing differences are not surmountable.. It is hard to tell whether 100% of TDF developers insist on copyleft. Certainly there is a vocal

Migration, Bugzilla to JIRA

2011-07-05 Thread Rob Weir
I'd like to help move this discussion forward. I'm not perceiving any *strong* opinions on the Bugzilla versus JIRA question. But I am hearing several suggest that JIRA is a better tracker (custom dashboards in particular were called out). Bugzilla got some nods for the ease of migration and

Re: Migration, Bugzilla to JIRA

2011-07-05 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.com wrote: --- On Tue, 7/5/11, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: ... I'd like to explore the technical feasibility of migrating to JIRA. +1 I see this page here describing the migration from JIRA's perspective: http

Re: Migration, Bugzilla to JIRA

2011-07-05 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 05.07.11 18:27, schrieb Rob Weir: I'd like to help move this discussion forward.  I'm not perceiving any *strong* opinions on the Bugzilla versus JIRA question.  But I am hearing several suggest that JIRA is a better

Re: Website Content plus Look and Feel Improvements

2011-07-05 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 5:04 AM, Graham Lauder g.a.lau...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 2011-07-03 at 10:23 -0700, Dave Fisher wrote: On Jul 2, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Graham Lauder wrote: Much of what is on there is legacy material that could be seriously pruned.  For instance all the old Marketing

Congratulations to Jean Hollis Weber (jeanweber)

2011-07-05 Thread Rob Weir
We extend our congratulations to Jean Hollis Weber (jeanweber), who was recently voted in as a Committer and PPMC-member for the project. Jean was noted for her diligence and participation especially in the area of user documentation. -The Apache OpenOffice PPMC

Re: Migration, Bugzilla to JIRA

2011-07-05 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 05.07.11 19:12, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Raphael Bircherr.birc...@gmx.ch  wrote: Am 05.07.11 18:27, schrieb Rob Weir: I'd like to help move this discussion forward.  I'm not perceiving any

Re: Migration, Bugzilla to JIRA

2011-07-05 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 05.07.11 19:37, schrieb Dave Fisher: Mark Thomas is the person on the Apache Infrastructure group who stepped up as the contact when I asked infrastructure if they had an opinion in our first few days. Would someone

Re: IDL Generation and MediaWiki [Was Re: Website Content plus Look and Feel Improvements]

2011-07-05 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Clayton, I am separating into two sub-topics: (1) IDL Generation. Thanks for the link to what the Wiki uses to create a short hand for various IDL links. This points out a very important topic that needs to be

Re: Problem adding my details to the contributors page

2011-07-05 Thread Rob Weir
on the Incubation PMC to add you as a committer to this podling. -Rob thegurkha On 28/06/11 20:03, Rob Weir wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html I've updated the page to have a table rather than just a flat list. Every committer should add themselves to the list

Updating Project Info web page?

2011-07-05 Thread Rob Weir
This page here: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/openofficeorg.html Is this something that the Podling PMC should be updating? Or is this for the Mentors? Or is does anyone even look at this? There are some items that appear to be be done, but are not yet give dates. And the form

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for July 2011 (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org)

2011-07-06 Thread Rob Weir
I've drafted the report directly on the wiki. http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/July2011 Since the Board meeting is the 20th, and they need one-week to review, we need final sign off by the 13th. I will be out all next week starting the 12th. So if we can reach consensus on this and get a

Re: [DISCUSS] Creation of ooo-security List

2011-07-06 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: [I am reminded that the best way to talk to the PPMC is on ooo-dev and there is benefit in so doing.  Here goes.] PROPOSAL ooo-security@incubator.a.o be set up as a private list and a selection of not more than 10

Re: DITA for Doc?

2011-07-06 Thread Rob Weir
as a deliverable from the ASF. Cheers, -g On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 17:10, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: Would it be worth considering using DITA for the documentation/help? I love ODF as much as anyone, but DITA was designed specifically for technical documentation, and has built-in facilities

Re: fetch-all-cws.sh (was: Building a single Hg repository)

2011-07-06 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote: On 06.07.2011 18:58, Greg Stein wrote: The development process that OOo used to use, as I understand it, looks incredibly heavyweight and slow moving. At Apache, you commit your changes. If you have a large-ish feature

Re: DITA for Doc?

2011-07-06 Thread Rob Weir
an ad-hoc one used by only us. Dave On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Rob Weir wrote: Would it be worth considering using DITA for the documentation/help? I love ODF as much as anyone, but DITA was designed specifically for technical documentation, and has built-in facilities for making modular

Re: DITA for Doc?

2011-07-06 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Rob, On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Rob Weir wrote:  we've already done the work of converting much of the OOo help to DITA. Is there a software grant coming? It is worth considering. But I'm not going to face

Re: [DISCUSS] Creation of ooo-security List

2011-07-06 Thread Rob Weir
...@gmail.com [mailto:rabas...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Rob Weir Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 14:40 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Creation of ooo-security List On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: [I am reminded that the best

Re: http://OpenOffice.org httpd logs, web analytics, etc.

2011-07-06 Thread Rob Weir
what I can.   (does anyone know who used to collect the stats for OOo?) Andrew On 6/27/2011 5:33 AM, Rob Weir wrote: Do we have any detailed access logs or reports for OOo?  I think that would be useful for prioritizing service migration, decided what to archive versus what to keep alive

Re: fetch-all-cws.sh (was: Building a single Hg repository)

2011-07-06 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 6 Jul 2011, at 23:19, Rob Weir wrote: I think we're transitioning from a formally coordinated model led by a corporation to a model that will have less formal coordination structures.  This is necessary to grow

Re: DITA for Doc?

2011-07-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Frank Peters fpe.mli...@googlemail.com wrote: Rob, Would it be worth considering using DITA for the documentation/help? [...] I'd like to argue for the advantages of DITA as a source format here. I can probably find some volunteers to help enabled this.  The

Re: DITA for Doc?

2011-07-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 18:08, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: That was user guides.  I'm talking about help documentation, though the DITA approach could certainly handle user guides with ease as well. And remember, there is more than one doc team to consider here.  And once of them would

Re: Future of OOo

2011-07-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 6:26 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: As this list knows i will be speaking at the 6th ODF Plugfest on what it means to OOo to be in the Apache Incubator. Since I am only a mentor and not a committer my presentation will focus on the Apache Way rather

OpenOffice Security Vulnerability Reporting

2011-07-07 Thread Rob Weir
Bringing the threads together on the public list so we can (hopefully) quickly discuss. As I understand it now, the OpenOffice.org currently directs visitors to report vulnerability reports to securityt...@openoffice.org. This address is currently being monitored. And at Apache we ask

Re: What is the advantage of the Apache OpenOffice.org Fork?

2011-07-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:01 AM, theUser BL theuse...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi! What is the advantage of the Apache OpenOffice.org Fork? Currently there are two point of views what a OOo fork is and what not. If you look at the trademark and logo, then LibreOffice is the fork. But if you

Re: Future of OOo

2011-07-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:03 AM, IngridvdM ingrid...@gmx-topmail.de wrote: Hi Donald, Ross, all, Am 07.07.2011 12:56, schrieb Donald Harbison: [...] The end of a corporate controlled project, and the beginning of two new open source projects [...] I would like to change this part of

Regarding the PPMC's Private List

2011-07-07 Thread Rob Weir
We've received some criticism from our Mentors for using the private list too eagerly. I'm certainly guilty in that. I think the key thing is that the private list is for discussing matters that require privacy, but that this does not include discussing procedures around privacy and

Re: Regarding the PPMC's Private List

2011-07-07 Thread Rob Weir
of executive session. Although there are exceptions, most elected officials in Massachusetts behave like adults, even when they need to declare why they are conducting business in private. -Original Message- From: rabas...@gmail.com [mailto:rabas...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Rob Weir Sent

Re: What is the advantage of the Apache OpenOffice.org Fork?

2011-07-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Jerry Kemp sun.mail.lis...@oryx.cc wrote: One of the reasons I have stuck with OO and have not looked further into LO was the fact that binaries were not provided for my preferred desktop, Solaris.  Specifically, I primarily use either OpenSolaris Nevada or

Re: Brazilian users list

2011-07-08 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:48 PM, luizh...@gmail.com luizh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The Brazilian community [1] still maintains a minimum structure of support to users of OOo/Libo. I forwarded the questions that come to help single list in Brazil [2]. But, this week someone from the list of TDF

ooo-dev list subscriber stats?

2011-07-08 Thread Rob Weir
Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? Or is this an admin permission? I'm interesting in knowing how many people are currently subscribed, especially a sense of the ratio of lurkers to active participants, contributors to users, etc. This could be one indication

Re: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?

2011-07-08 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? Or is this an admin permission? On another thread and list I saw this: Email ooo-dev-help@ from your

Re: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)

2011-07-08 Thread Rob Weir
follow our progress. Regards, Dave ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 08.07.2011 15:53 schrieb Dave Fisherdave2w...@comcast.net: On Jul 8, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: Is there a way for list moderators to get a tally of list subscribers? Or is this an admin permission

Re: Blog Created

2011-07-09 Thread Rob Weir
Is there an editor role? I may not do much original blogging here, but I could help with editing posts. I'd also recommend that we adopt some goals for the blog (community outreach, etc.) and set up an editorial calendar of planned future posts. -Rob On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 6:07 AM, Gavin

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