[OpenAFS] IP acl problem??

2002-10-11 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
Okay.. this is interesting.. I have a cell with a server running solaris with IBM afs 3.6, and one running debian with the debian openafs 1.2.3final2-6 version. I have a directory with the following acl: sh-2.05b$ fs la . Access list for . is Normal rights: web:host rlidwka web rlidwk

[OpenAFS] IPUT Bad refCount 0 on inode 0xf8abadb8 in openafs-1.2.11

2004-10-28 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
I've had this happen twice now on an SMP machine (debian 2.4.27 kernel, 1.2.11 openafs packages from debian sarge) Is this a known bug that's fixed in a newer version? It looks like an SMP race condition to me. IPUT Bad refCount 0 on inode 0xf8abadb8 Unable to handle kernel paging request at

Re: [OpenAFS] IPUT Bad refCount 0 on inode 0xf8abadb8 in openafs-1.2.11

2004-10-29 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 02:00:36PM -0400, Derrick J Brashear wrote: On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: I've had this happen twice now on an SMP machine (debian 2.4.27 kernel, 1.2.11 openafs packages from debian sarge) Is this a known bug that's fixed in a newer version? It looks

Re: [OpenAFS] IPUT Bad refCount 0 on inode 0xf8abadb8 in openafs-1.2.11

2004-11-15 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
Should I try applying this to openafs-1.2.11, or 1.3? On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 11:32:51AM -0500, chas williams (contractor) wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],Troy Benjegerdes writes: Trace; f89976c0 [openafs.mp].rodata.end+4459/d3b9 Trace; f8983340 [openafs.mp]afs_dentry_iput+0/f0 Trace

[OpenAFS] MacOSX with reliable AFS homedirs?

2005-02-03 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
is the equivalent of a linux PAM line like: session libpam-openafs-session.so debug -- -- Troy Benjegerdes'da hozer'[EMAIL PROTECTED] Somone asked my why I work on this free (http://www.fsf.org

Re: [OpenAFS] MacOSX with reliable AFS homedirs?

2005-02-03 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 08:22:44PM -0600, Tracy Di Marco White wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Troy Benjegerdes writes: Has anyone gotten Krb5, ldap, and AFS homedirs working reliably? Have you looked at the ISU OS X documentation? http://tech.ait.iastate.edu/macosx/ I'm just using

Re: [OpenAFS] MacOSX with reliable AFS homedirs?

2005-02-03 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 09:48:04PM -0600, Ben Staffin wrote: * Troy Benjegerdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-02-03 20:29] wibbled: On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 08:22:44PM -0600, Tracy Di Marco White wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Troy Benjegerdes writes: Has anyone gotten Krb5, ldap

Re: [OpenAFS] MacOSX with reliable AFS homedirs?

2005-02-04 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
Also, I assume you know that you have to add login_logout_notification= aklog to the [libdefaults] section in /Library/Preferences/edu.mit.kerberos (If you have nat clients might also want to add noaddresses = true ) And I assume the kerberos is required for login in

[OpenAFS] MacOSX latest release is still 1.2.11?

2005-02-16 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
Archive.pax.gz Library Resources usr /tmp/OpenAFS.pkg/Contents$ strings usr/sbin/afsd | grep OpenAFS @(#) OpenAFS 1.2.11 built 2004-11-02 What's going on here? -- -- Troy Benjegerdes'da hozer

Re: [OpenAFS] MacOSX latest release is still 1.2.11?

2005-02-18 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 05:53:26PM -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: At 6:15 PM -0600 2/16/05, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: I have downloaded the 'Latest release' link for OSX several times, and thought I was getting the latest, but if I do 'strings' on /usr/sbin/afsd after installing, it looks like

Re: [OpenAFS] MacOSX latest release is still 1.2.11?

2005-02-18 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 10:15:31PM -0500, Derrick J Brashear wrote: On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Derrick J Brashear wrote: On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: I have downloaded the 'Latest release' link for OSX several times, and thought I was getting the latest, but if I do 'strings

Re: [OpenAFS] Regulary Ooups'es on 2.4.29 + OpenAFS 1.2.13

2005-02-18 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 11:43:36PM +0100, Cajus Pollmeier wrote: Am 10.02.2005 um 14:45 schrieb chas williams - CONTRACTOR: i am reasonably certain this is a race condition with the rename/unlink done by afs afs_remove(). i believe this problem has been fixed in the 1.3 version. you

Re: [OpenAFS] releasing volumes automatically

2005-02-18 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 03:12:04PM +0100, Turbo Fredriksson wrote: Marco == Marco Spatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marco Is there any possibility Marco to tell OpenAFS to release certain (or all) changed volumes Marco at a certain time? Would be a great help. I'm running the

[OpenAFS] AFSDB vs SRV records??

2005-05-18 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
? -- -- Troy Benjegerdes'da hozer'[EMAIL PROTECTED] Somone asked my why I work on this free (http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/) software stuff and not get a real job. Charles Shultz had the best answer: Why do musicians compose

[OpenAFS] backup database issues

2005-06-01 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
How many people actively use the AFS backup system, and not something like amanda-afs, tivoli, etc? I'm currently running openafs-1.2.13 on my backup server, and I have some issues with recycling tapes that have partial or full backups in the tape label header that don't exist in the database

Re: [OpenAFS] Replica sites

2005-06-01 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 09:57:40PM +0100, ed wrote: On Tue, 10 May 2005 16:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Stephen Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's three dirs per mail folder -- with one file per message within. It really can add up when folks keep their e-mail for years... ./tmp and ./new are

Re: [OpenAFS] AFS-Backup-Limits

2005-12-30 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 01:00:39PM -0600, Tracy Di Marco White wrote: On 12/27/05, Chris Huebsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, Tracy Di Marco White wrote: We've been adding several 1.2+ TB servers, and it has become no longer reasonable to put a tape drive on every

Re: [OpenAFS] Failover

2005-12-30 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 11:12:53AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: Pierre Ancelot [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok, then, what i am looking for is a distributed filesystem (free of charge and license (GNU or so)) replication over all nodes since i am preparing a virtual mail server using

Re: [OpenAFS] Failover

2005-12-31 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 08:03:40PM -0500, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: On Saturday, December 31, 2005 12:36:40 AM -0600 Troy Benjegerdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The advantage of AFS over a single system is you can have as many incoming MTA machines, and imap servers as you want. Yes

Re: [OpenAFS] find /afs/ breaking the client?

2007-02-21 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:30:07AM -0500, Derrick J Brashear wrote: On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, Jakub Witkowski wrote: No, no oops. The system just... blocks. You can interact with programs already in memory, access open files, but not open new. I chose .14 mostly because I was having problems

[OpenAFS] Re: [OpenAFS-devel] An open letter from the OpenAFS Council of Elders

2008-05-08 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
[snip] To that end, the OpenAFS Council of Elders has proposed the incorporation of a not-for-profit foundation to perform tasks necessary to sustain and further the development of the OpenAFS product and user community. We would like your feedback on this proposal, and suggest community

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: [OpenAFS-devel] An open letter from the OpenAFS Council of Elders

2008-05-11 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 11:46:00AM -0500, Todd T. Fries wrote: Penned by Troy Benjegerdes on 20080508 16:11.40, we have: [..] | Finally, from a developer point of view, I believe it is quite important | that the first project of the new foundation be to migrate from the | existing CVS source

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: [OpenAFS-devel] An open letter from the OpenAFS Council of Elders

2008-05-11 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 11:58:53PM -0400, Dale Ghent wrote: On May 8, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: Finally, from a developer point of view, I believe it is quite important that the first project of the new foundation be to migrate from the existing CVS source code repository

Re: [OpenAFS] OpenAFS on the Palm Pre smartphone!

2009-12-14 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
) --- ___ OpenAFS-info mailing list OpenAFS-info@openafs.org https://lists.openafs.org/mailman/listinfo/openafs-info -- -- Troy Benjegerdes'da hozer'ho...@hozed.org Unless hours were cups of sack

Re: [OpenAFS] OpenAFS on the Palm Pre smartphone!

2009-12-14 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
doesn't make it easy to write a file manager. Obviously, the terminal capabilities of both OSs allow for some semblance of file management, but GUI options are quite limited. Just my $0.02 On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org wrote: Patches please! I just

Re: [OpenAFS] OpenAFS on the Palm Pre smartphone!

2009-12-15 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 07:04:00AM -0800, Alf Wachsmann wrote: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: Patches please! I just started this (I'll be on a flight to the bay area, of all places in about 20 minute), and I ran into stuff like the make_s_table host tools getting compile

Re: [OpenAFS] Plans for IPv6

2011-07-22 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
I saw a mention of IPv6 support sometime in 2011 in my old email.. How are we doing on v6 support? -- Troy Benjegerdes 'da hozer'ho...@hozed.org 7 elements Farm

[OpenAFS] afsd.fuse usage?

2011-09-15 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
I can't seem to find any documentation on afsd.fuse... Is there a HOWTO, or something? What works, what doesn't? -- Troy Benjegerdes 'da hozer'ho...@hozed.org 7 elements Farm

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: afsd.fuse usage?

2011-09-20 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
1.6.0-1 AFS distributed file system experimental FUSE client On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:19:32PM -0500, Andrew Deason wrote: On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:22:08 -0500 Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org wrote: I can't seem to find any documentation on afsd.fuse... Is there a HOWTO

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: afsd.fuse usage?

2011-09-20 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
and got initial results. I haven't worked much with it yet, but the cm started and responded to vfsops. Matt - Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org wrote: Something is broken or not returning particularly useful error messages: hozer@six:~$ /usr/sbin/afsd.fuse /tmp/afs fuse

Re: [OpenAFS] openafs hang

2012-08-09 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
I have had this problem, but I attributed it to intermittent network connectivity to the server. There might be a real problem here though... What is your network connection to the afs kerberos servers like? On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 11:48:25AM +0200, Alexander 'Leo' Bergolth wrote: Hi! My

[OpenAFS] rxgk and ipv6 (again)

2012-08-17 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
What's the status on a deployable version of: 1) rxgk (so I can fix my currently broken cell by upgrading AFS instead of downgrading my kerberos server to support des) 2) ipv6 (so I can stop having to play silly VPN dance games which just give me headaches and delays in filesystem access) Is

[OpenAFS] OpenAFS ipv6 migration path

2012-08-17 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
IPv4 address space is becoming a high-priced commodity (see http://tradeipv4.com/faq/ ), and new user adoption of OpenAFS may depend on a functional IPv6 implementation, or users will select other distributed filesystems. Because of the difficulties so clearly layed out below in a full

[OpenAFS] Proposal: OpenAFS foundation to develop AFS server appliance

2012-09-01 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
I believe the proactive case here would be to create an OpenAFS foundation with the charter to work with storage hardware vendors to offer and market storage hardware with the AFS server software pre-installed, in the same way that NFS and CIFS servers are already embedded in the storage product

Re: [OpenAFS] Proposal: OpenAFS foundation to develop AFS server appliance

2012-09-01 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
In my opinion, it is not necessarily too late for an OpenAFS Foundation. It is too late for an OpenAFS Foundation to market the existing implementation. Jeffrey Altman I completely agree that marketing the existing implementation is a waste of time. What does seem to be worth

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: [AFS3-std] Re: IBM will not re-license OpenAFS .xg files

2012-09-01 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Sat, Sep 01, 2012 at 02:44:00PM -0400, Chas Williams (CONTRACTOR) wrote: In message 5041328c.2090...@your-file-system.com,Jeffrey Altman writes: On 8/31/2012 5:44 PM, chas williams - CONTRACTOR wrote: Since I can't kinit on my cell phone, how do I prove my identity? Assuming your cell

Re: [OpenAFS] buildbot and packages

2012-09-14 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
Don't think of this as a nightmare, think of this as an opportunity for support contract upsales. nightly installable builds and enthusiastic users that install the latest one every day will make for a much more reliable product, and catch problems before they show up and cause trouble for

Re: [OpenAFS] buildbot and packages

2012-09-14 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
However, this requires having a much greater availability of release management and testing resources. And perhaps an argument for automated tests that could prove out a release? If you mean manual testing resources, given the scope of platform support and myriad branches for OpenAFS I

Re: [OpenAFS] buildbot and packages

2012-09-14 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
verbiage snipped Here's some code. http://gerrit.openafs.org/#change,6844 As Tom Keiser wrote to you a few days ago. Start contributing code that is useable to OpenAFS today. If you want to write tests, people will jump up and down with joy. However, please do not stomp your feet and

Re: [OpenAFS] buildbot and packages

2012-09-15 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 04:06:12PM -0500, David Boyes wrote: Just to say explicitly, while OpenAFS developers are certainly welcome to use whatever techniques make sense to them, I am completely uninterested in doing anything at all with any of those half-assed meta-build systems and will

Re: [OpenAFS] buildbot and packages

2012-09-15 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
Sometimes I think we get hung up on 'good testing' vs having *something*. The last time I worked for someone else, it was writing test code for Cray's supercomputer systems. You don't get much more complex than a machine with 30,000 cores in which 'acceptable' performance is defined as 'pushing

Re: [OpenAFS] buildbot and packages

2012-09-15 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
to be your guinea pig. It'll cost you enough support and/or documentation to get me over initial learning curve. Doug On 9/15/12, Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org wrote: Sometimes I think we get hung up on 'good testing' vs having *something*. The last time I worked for someone else

Re: [OpenAFS] buildbot and packages

2012-09-16 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
from others, I'm happy to go along to see what we can contribute to the community together. Doug On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org wrote: I'll buy that for a few emails. Let's start by having you take a look at: https://bitbucket.org/dahozer/tfs

Re: [OpenAFS] buildbot and packages

2012-09-17 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
I'm looking to get all the low-hanging fruit with unskilled testing. Particularly with regressions like this: hozer@six:~/src/openafs-fuse-git/tests/fuse$ /home/hozer/src/openafs-fuse-git/tests/fuse/../../src/afsd/afsd.fuse -dynroot -fakestat -d -confdir

Re: [OpenAFS] buildbot and packages

2012-09-17 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
FUSE library version: 2.8.6 nullpath_ok: 0 unique: 1, opcode: INIT (26), nodeid: 0, insize: 56 INIT: 7.17 flags=0x047b max_readahead=0x0002 Starting AFS cache scan...found 0 non-empty cache files (0%). afsd: All AFS daemons started. Segmentation fault The fuse code

Re: [OpenAFS] buildbot and packages

2012-09-17 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
using roken, but only on MacOS, and probably only for non-32 bit pointers, because MacOS does something odd with dirent.h On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Derrick Brashear sha...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org wrote: I'm looking to get all

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: buildbot and packages

2012-09-17 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
And I don't think OS X can handle more than a certain number of version segments, or something? OSX is special, but, we already have the problem and define something special there. What we'd need to do is define everything as an dev version of whatever, but then the problem is you can

Re: [OpenAFS] buildbot and packages

2012-09-18 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
If a pre-stable - master merge to trunk happens reliably every 3 months, it might be an obnoxious merge, but it can't be any worse than merging rxk5 (for gory details, see https://bitbucket.org/dahozer/tfs/changeset/10a38e703483fd99b3a41e99cba74f203524f731 ) The artificial version approach you

Re: [OpenAFS] buildbot and packages

2012-09-18 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 08:06:39PM +0100, Simon Wilkinson wrote: On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:54, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: If 'rebuild with debug' symbols is the answer to find the segfault, then why don't we change './regen ./configure make check' to turn on debug symbols by default

Re: [OpenAFS] buildbot and packages

2012-09-18 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:39:45AM -0400, Derrick Brashear wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 08:06:39PM +0100, Simon Wilkinson wrote: On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:54, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: If 'rebuild with debug' symbols

Re: [OpenAFS] buildbot and packages

2012-09-18 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
[snip] None of those steps knows about another, nor should they. If you want to enable debugging, just do it. If you want to provide a script which does debug builds, do it. Anything else is pointless complexity. Debug symbols are pointless complexity ;) If they are something you

Re: [OpenAFS] buildbot and packages

2012-09-18 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 01:12:33PM -0400, Derrick Brashear wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org wrote: [snip] If there's a perceived performance impact to having debug on in a release build, then I want to see a full QA test and benchmark results

Re: [OpenAFS] 1.6.1a migration from 1.4: corrupted and offline volumes

2012-09-19 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
What OS is the server? Do you have a way to archive the /vicepfb volume, the old 1.4 binaries, and the entire build tree of your new 1.6 version? Do you happen to have the sources the 1.4 binaries were built from? On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 03:37:39PM +0200, Jakub Moscicki wrote: Hello, I just

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: 1.6.1a migration from 1.4: corrupted and offline volumes

2012-09-19 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
Is that in the main openafs git tree RxOSD branch, or some other patch? On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:48:11AM -0400, Derrick Brashear wrote: Ah. Yup. Something like this: UserId author; /* Userid of the last user storing the file */ UserId owner; /* Userid of

Re: [OpenAFS] Funding the formation of an OpenAFS Foundation

2012-09-26 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
I've seen the phrase XYZ is 'committed' to ABC several times on this mail list. It's a very political flowery phrase, and makes everyone feel good. Until 2 years elapse and there is no real result from the 'committment'. Has someone formed a legal organization, and filed 501.c3 paperwork, or

Re: [OpenAFS] Proposal: OpenAFS foundation to develop AFS server appliance

2012-09-26 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 01:07:11PM -0400, chas williams - CONTRACTOR wrote: On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 00:00:52 -0400 Jeffrey Altman jalt...@secure-endpoints.com wrote: On 9/1/2012 3:03 PM, Chas Williams (CONTRACTOR) wrote: In message 50424587.6010...@your-file-system.com,Jeffrey Altman writes:

Re: [OpenAFS] Funding the formation of an OpenAFS Foundation

2012-09-26 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
liable, or it's not. Is there a statement to what ends a donation to the Usenix openafs fund would be used for? On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 01:00:51PM -0400, Jeffrey Altman wrote: On 9/26/2012 12:12 PM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: Has someone formed a legal organization, and filed 501.c3 paperwork

Re: [OpenAFS] Funding the formation of an OpenAFS Foundation

2012-09-27 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 08:12:25AM -0400, Derrick Brashear wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org wrote: Have the USENIX association lawyers been made aware they are accepting funds in a manner which may expose them to trademark litigation from IBM

Re: [OpenAFS] Funding the formation of an OpenAFS Foundation

2012-09-27 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
Jeffrey, I do appreciate all the effort you and the Elders have put into OpenAFS over the past 10 years at least. That effort, and the release as open source is why I switched to AFS to store my tax records, email, source code, and made an attempt to store pretty much everything I've done

Re: [OpenAFS] Funding the formation of an OpenAFS Foundation (fwd)

2012-09-27 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
Backward compatibility is a requirement for the entire community. The only criteria that is specific to IBM is that we cannot turn off older RPCs for which there already are replacements and we cannot completely get rid of rxkad or kaserver from the code base. There are also some

Re: [OpenAFS] Funding the formation of an OpenAFS Foundation

2012-09-27 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
You of course don't have any obligation to care about how that comes across to others, but presumably you think that being part of a community is more useful than just striking out on your own or you wouldn't continue to participate here. So I assume that you don't *actually* hold most of

Re: [OpenAFS] Funding the formation of an OpenAFS Foundation

2012-09-27 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
Yes, this is going nowhere. At least it still matters to some people. On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:45:25AM -0500, David Boyes wrote: Gents, may I suggest a time-out on this topic? This discussion is deteriorating into a personal argument. While both sides have good points to make, the tone

Re: [OpenAFS] Funding the formation of an OpenAFS Foundation

2012-09-28 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
The actual reason why so much open source work is done by such people is not because they're better at it. It's because they drive off everyone who doesn't have thick skin or enjoys robust exchanges of views or whatever today's euphemism is for tolerating abusive behavior, and then use the

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-28 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
The key here seems to be marketing, and getting inside the head of the spread sheet managers (or just modifying their spreadsheets). What do they like? New things, so they can impress their peers because they got the scoop on some amazing new technology? If we dust off some old AFS code and

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-29 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 10:13:58AM -0400, Jason Edgecombe wrote: On 09/28/2012 11:33 PM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: If we dust off some old AFS code and paint up with YFS, TFS, and WTFS (What The Foo is this File Stuff) logos, and have ourselves a nice horserace all the spreadsheet guys can take

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-30 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 02:49:08AM -0700, Ted Creedon wrote: How about taking a AFS wide survey using a aklog token driven one time pop up explaining that AFS is not being updated according to industry standards and that it needs substantial financial support. Most users are charged for

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-30 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
communicated. I.e. you can't aklog one time only until you fill out the poll, send it in w/cc to local financial folks. Tedc On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org wrote: On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 02:49:08AM -0700, Ted Creedon wrote: How about taking a AFS wide

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-30 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
need to add this message to 'tokens' as well. Would the developers accept a patch to add this to at least 'aklog' and 'tokens' ? On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 02:10:23PM -0500, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: I would hope that the donation link would be a more subtle, and equally effective incentive. If edu

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: the future

2012-09-30 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
I'd say the summary is something like this: 1) YFS (your-file-system) is forking (or re-implementing) OpenAFS to be able to have a commercially viable business product that will have the financial return-on-investment needed to justify the cost of implementing a long list of things, starting

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-30 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
contributions. On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 07:36:55PM -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote: On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 02:33:07PM -0500, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: src/aklog$ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=../../lib ./aklog This software is free software, and depends on your ongoing support Please consider a donation

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-09-30 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:38:10PM +0200, Lars Schimmer wrote: On 30.09.2012 21:10, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: One-time deals (on linux) that require interaction will blow up all kinds of automated tools and leave the rank and file admins your enemy. Easy, user do call admins angry

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-10-01 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 07:55:36AM +0200, Lars Schimmer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-10-01 06:48, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:38:10PM +0200, Lars Schimmer wrote: On 30.09.2012 21:10, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: One-time deals

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-10-01 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
Locality, and latency to the server still matters. Let's imagine we are 5 years from now, and there are at least 3 branded AFS derivatives, and vendors touting 'AFS appliance' capability, and 'the cloud' has been replaced by 'the filesystem'. As in, some derivative of the Andrew filesystem.

Re: [OpenAFS] the future

2012-10-01 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
Have you thought about what you can offer to SMB (small-medium businesses) For instance, you charge $3.99 for the iYFS iDevice app. What could you offer for $20/month? Would you let a third party resell iYFS to the SMB market, as long as you are getting the standard yearly incident support rate

Re: [OpenAFS] is YFS a derived work?

2012-10-01 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
Let's look at this another way... If someone actually bothers to file an IP lawsuit of any sort regarding AFS, then I think this would be the most credible sign of success I could possibly imagine. And then, in that case, if there were an issue, there would be sufficient community resources to

Re: [OpenAFS] is YFS a derived work?

2012-10-02 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 11:09:36AM -0400, Steve Simmons wrote: On Oct 2, 2012, at 12:53 AM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: Let's look at this another way... If someone actually bothers to file an IP lawsuit of any sort regarding AFS, then I think this would be the most credible sign

Re: [OpenAFS] is YFS a derived work -- raise funds for legal opinion

2012-10-02 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 09:08:49PM -0400, Brandon Allbery wrote: On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org wrote: My opinion is anyone filing suit against a 'derivative work' of AFS would pretty much guarantee the end of the company filing suite. It might

Re: [OpenAFS] is YFS a derived work -- raise funds for legal opinion

2012-10-02 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 10:12:26PM -0400, Brandon Allbery wrote: On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 09:08:49PM -0400, Brandon Allbery wrote: On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org wrote: My

Re: [OpenAFS] OpenAFS and single DES

2012-10-05 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
Please have a look at: https://lists.openafs.org/pipermail/openafs-devel/2010-May/017637.html It may cost you less in the long term to simply upgrade AFS to use the 'non-standard' rxk5 implementation until someone releases a working rxgk, or to contract with one of the support vendors to

[OpenAFS] Re: [OpenAFS-devel] rxgk development has been funded

2012-10-25 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
[snip] As mentioned above, any commitment made at the present time may not be relevant in a year's time. What I am able to do will depend on how much time I have available, what pieces are contributed by the community, and what features are needed by MIT and the community as a whole. We

[OpenAFS] Re: [OpenAFS-devel] rxgk development has been funded

2012-10-25 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
: openafs-devel-ad...@openafs.org [mailto:openafs-devel- ad...@openafs.org] On Behalf Of Matt W. Benjamin Sent: 25 October 2012 22:38 To: Troy Benjegerdes Cc: Jeffrey Altman; openafs-info@openafs.org; openafs- de...@openafs.org; Benjamin Kaduk Subject: Re: [OpenAFS-devel] rxgk development has

Re: [OpenAFS] tcpoob timeline

2012-10-27 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 06:40:38PM -0400, Jeffrey Altman wrote: On 10/26/2012 5:03 PM, Andrew Deason wrote: On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:45:05 +0200 To provide a sense of ordering... rxgk standards work will definitely precede tcp oob, though rxgk implementation may or may not. After rxgk, some

[OpenAFS] Re: [OpenAFS-devel] rxgk development has been funded

2012-10-30 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
running it in production. On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 08:11:44PM -, Robert Milkowski wrote: It would be sufficient (krb+AES) and actually preferred. -Original Message- From: openafs-devel-ad...@openafs.org [mailto:openafs-devel- ad...@openafs.org] On Behalf Of Troy Benjegerdes

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: [OpenAFS-devel] rxgk development has been funded

2012-10-31 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
Buhrmaster gary.buhrmas...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org wrote: What are the missing pieces needed to deploy RxK5? I am going to start with the assumption that it will not pass the standards process until after there are several

Re: [OpenAFS] Cache partition choice still limited to ext2 on Linux?

2012-11-07 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
Last time I used memcache, I had issues with Java applications (Eclipse, SQLDeveloper). They brought the system to high load until they were finally OOM-killed when run under KDE on a machine with 4G RAM (512M or 1G of which set apart for the memcache). In my (limited) experience with

Re: [OpenAFS] Creating a partial sandbox of the production Cell krb5 realm

2012-11-11 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
I would appreciate any other tips that anyone has. BTW, I proposed using a differently/named test cell/realm and was shot down. Sincerely, Jason [snip] Taking the other tack, I've never tried this, but think it might be interesting: set up a virtual environment where

Re: [OpenAFS] Graphical file managers get stuck

2012-12-10 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
This seems to be a common cause of pain for people using AFS, and I think its a user-interface experience that drives people away. You install AFS, and then all of a sudden you go do something and your user-interface just hangs. You have not idea what triggered it, you just associate 'crappy

Re: [OpenAFS] Development status of mod_waklog and filedrawers

2013-02-04 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
-- -- Troy Benjegerdes'da hozer' ho...@hozed.org Somone asked my why I work on this free (http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/) software hardware (http://q3u.be) stuff and not get a real job. Charles Shultz had the best answer

Re: [OpenAFS] Development status of mod_waklog and filedrawers

2013-02-04 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
/openafs-info ___ OpenAFS-info mailing list OpenAFS-info@openafs.org https://lists.openafs.org/mailman/listinfo/openafs-info -- -- Troy Benjegerdes'da hozer

Re: [OpenAFS] Linux OpenAFS EncFS?

2014-02-17 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:35:14AM -0500, Jeffrey Altman wrote: On 2/17/2014 11:10 AM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: Could some of the professionals here please estimate a direct dollar cost for such a thing? Who is going to pay for the design and estimation efforts? There are many

Re: [OpenAFS] Linux OpenAFS EncFS?

2014-02-17 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
jalt...@your-file-system.com wrote: On 2/17/2014 11:10 AM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: Could some of the professionals here please estimate a direct dollar cost for such a thing? Who is going to pay for the design and estimation efforts? There are many approaches that can be used

Re: [OpenAFS] Linux OpenAFS EncFS?

2014-02-20 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 04:07:08PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Jeffrey Hutzelman jh...@cmu.edu writes: On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 13:11 -0600, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: So $10k for design, and $100k for implementation sufficient to protect a small business's data worth between $250k, and $1M

Re: [OpenAFS] Linux OpenAFS EncFS?

2014-02-20 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
-greed-perverting-idea-sharing-economy Can I apt-get install Liitin? This sounds like a very compelling pre-installed software option for my bigger-than-life project for open-source hardware: http://q3u.be/ -- Troy

Re: [OpenAFS] Linux OpenAFS EncFS?

2014-02-20 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:27:07AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org writes: I remember hearing lots of arguments that getting rid of DES keys would take tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, and that 'developers need to eat' etc etc. Then one day

Re: [OpenAFS] Linux OpenAFS EncFS?

2014-02-20 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:37:19PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Troy Benjegerdes ho...@hozed.org writes: Maybe we are not thinking about this in the right frame. There are billions of dollars worth of cryptographic currencies that did not exist when we started arguing about needing

Re: [OpenAFS] Authentication without aklog

2014-08-01 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
. -- Troy Benjegerdes 'da hozer' ho...@hozed.org 7 elements earth::water::air::fire::mind::spirit::soulgrid.coop Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel, nor try buy a hacker

Re: [OpenAFS] Authentication without aklog

2014-08-01 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 10:44:29PM +, Brandon Allbery wrote: On Fri, 2014-08-01 at 17:35 -0500, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: So why don't we use the kernel keyring on Linux, and the built-in OS support on both MacOS and Windows for Kerberos to grab the key that matches the default realm

Re: [OpenAFS] freezes acessing /afs/.git

2014-08-09 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
some sort of 'cell-configured' negative cache file is going to be necessary. -- Troy Benjegerdes 'da hozer' ho...@hozed.org 7 elements earth::water::air::fire::mind::spirit::soul

Re: [OpenAFS] Encrypted connections by default in OpenAFS 1.8?

2015-03-01 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
-- Troy Benjegerdes 'da hozer' ho...@hozed.org 7 elements earth::water::air::fire::mind::spirit::soulgrid.coop Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel, nor try buy a hacker who makes money by the megahash

Re: [OpenAFS] building openafs on ppc64le architecture on Linux

2018-04-28 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 08:12:42PM -0500, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 10:56:43PM +0000, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 04, 2018 at 07:05:40PM -0600, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 04, 2018 at 04:31:10AM -0500, Gary Gatling wr

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