Re: [OpenAFS] Re: why afs backup is so poorly supported

2006-10-10 Thread chas williams - CONTRACTOR
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],Adam Megacz writes: Sorry for the confusion. It's not the way the layout is done, but that it is done at all. as i said before, it likely the layout was done to reduce directory contention. if you have a file buried eight levels deep the fileserver doesnt need to

Re: [OpenAFS] many packet are as rx_ignoreAckedPacket and meltdown

2006-10-10 Thread Michal Svamberg
We upgraded file servers to 1.4.1 (built 2006-05-05) but not solve meltdown. Fileserver going in large mode and behaviour of meltdown are: - first 10min: 12 idle threads are full used, only 2 idle threads (get from rxdebug) - 0: wprocs counting up from zero - about next 10 min: up to 300

[OpenAFS] authorization problems

2006-10-10 Thread Sanjay Dharmavaram
Hi, I am installing Open AFS on a server in my lab. I followed all the instructions in the Quick Installation guide and finally restarted the computer. I then realized that I had not created the upserver. Now, when I try to issue the bos create upserver ... command I get the following error.

RE: [OpenAFS] Commercial AFS backups

2006-10-10 Thread ted creedon
Aside from the abusive language.. 1. Tektronix had a 17 year maintenance period after a product went out of life. In the case of the 7000 oscilliscope which was in production for 17 years, Tek was contractually obligated to provide spare parts and provisioning to little customers like IBM and the

[OpenAFS] Optimization for Throughput

2006-10-10 Thread Joseph Kulisics
Hi, I've installed and configured OpenAFS, and I've been using it for about four months. As I've expanded the installation and added new users, I've begun to receive requests to add entire offices and laboratories. In preparation to add a very large laboratory, I started to plan how to

Re: [OpenAFS] authorization problems

2006-10-10 Thread Derek Atkins
Sanjay Dharmavaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I am installing Open AFS on a server in my lab. I followed all the instructions in the Quick Installation guide and finally restarted the computer. I then realized that I had not created the upserver. Now, when I try to issue the bos

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: why afs backup is so poorly supported

2006-10-10 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, October 09, 2006 11:20:09 PM -0400 Derrick J Brashear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The AFS fileserver wasn't designed to solve this. The AFS protocol and client certainly could be used to solve it. You're correct, of course. You _could_ solve the share-the-local-filesystem

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: why afs backup is so poorly supported

2006-10-10 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, October 10, 2006 01:16:52 AM -0400 Marcus Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obfuscation might still have been seen as helpful when explaining to bean-counter type people why the fileserver shouldn't also be the mail server I'm pretty sure the people designing AFS didn't have that

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: why afs backup is so poorly supported

2006-10-10 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, October 10, 2006 09:03:40 AM -0400 chas williams - CONTRACTOR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],Adam Megacz writes: Sorry for the confusion. It's not the way the layout is done, but that it is done at all. as i said before, it likely the layout was done

Re: [OpenAFS] Optimization for Throughput

2006-10-10 Thread Daniel Clark
On 10/10/06, Joseph Kulisics [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there's a performance tuning guide, a FAQ, or a message thread on the subject, please, let me know. I looked around the web a lot, but I didn't find any guide. (Maybe I just haven't found the right search words.) There was something on

RE: [OpenAFS] Commercial AFS backups

2006-10-10 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, October 10, 2006 09:37:03 AM -0700 ted creedon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If industry did a better job of archiving and placing old software in the public domain, there would be very few software patents issued.. Well, that was a nice little rant, but I fail to see what

Re: [OpenAFS] many packet are as rx_ignoreAckedPacket and meltdown

2006-10-10 Thread Derrick J Brashear
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, Michal Svamberg wrote: We upgraded file servers to 1.4.1 (built 2006-05-05) but not solve meltdown. get a backtrace when the fileserver is not responding. on a whim, you might also try this patch: http://grand.central.org/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=19461

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: why afs backup is so poorly supported

2006-10-10 Thread chas williams - CONTRACTOR
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],Jeffrey Hutzelman w rites: On the other hand, usenet servers have soundly beaten us to taking the next logical step, which is to punt entirely on using a general-purpose filesystem and instead use a purpose-built data store. i have wondered about this. others have

[OpenAFS] Re: Backup AFS with BackupPC?

2006-10-10 Thread Stephen Joyce
http://www.physics.unc.edu/~stephen/backuppc-afs/ Feedback welcome. Cheers, Stephen -- Stephen Joyce Systems AdministratorP A N I C Physics Astronomy Department Physics Astronomy University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: why afs backup is so poorly supported

2006-10-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Jeffrey Hutzelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the other hand, usenet servers have soundly beaten us to taking the next logical step, which is to punt entirely on using a general-purpose filesystem and instead use a purpose-built data store. Usenet servers have a much easier problem, though,

Re: [OpenAFS] moving volumes

2006-10-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Sanjay Dharmavaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am installing a new AFS server on my network which already has anAFS server running. The aim is to replace the already running server with the new one. Is there anyway I can copy volumes and user accounts from the old server onto the new server?

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: why afs backup is so poorly supported

2006-10-10 Thread Matt Benjamin
Cool as the transactional piece would be, iirc from our discussion in 2004, putting a postgresql behind every fileserver sounds kind of heavyweight, doesn't it? Plus, is there a difference between transactional metadata updates and transactional file data updates? Matt Marcus Watts wrote:

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: OpenAFS on FC5 x86-64

2006-10-10 Thread Derek Atkins
Quoting Axel Thimm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Oct 07, 2006 at 12:42:47PM -0400, Ron Croonenberg wrote: Is there a set of rpm's available to install the OpenAFS client on FC5 x86-64 ? Or do I have to compile that myself ? Yes, use the packages at http://atrpms.net/dist/fc5/openafs/ There

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: why afs backup is so poorly supported

2006-10-10 Thread chas williams - CONTRACTOR
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],Marcus Watts writes: of postgresql implement blobs as chunks in a special table which can be randomly accessed. Blobs can be up to 2G in size. There are also ... My recollection is that oracle has some sort of chunk-wise access to blobs. I assume other db systems

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: why afs backup is so poorly supported

2006-10-10 Thread Marcus Watts
chas williams - CONTRACTOR [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: bdb supports records up to 4G in size. so this will limit files unless you span them across records. bdb certainly supports partial access to records. it maintains some idea of page size for i/o operations (where you choose page size based