Re: OODL: Unanimity, consensus, majorities

1999-12-29 Thread Rob Cozens
I agree that we should delegate the non-fundamental power to a group using majorities, and should refrain from using veto on non-fundamental issues. But if we're going to be a partnership, and the partners in such are liable, then we need power of veto. I think we're getting closer to a

Re: OODL: Unanimity, consensus, majorities

1999-12-29 Thread DeRobertis
At 7:23 AM -0700 on 12/29/99, Rob Cozens wrote: Giving each partner veto power creates the potential for a dictator who says "Do it my way or I'll veto it." More likely, a complete standstill. That's why we be careful which small group is going to be the partners. As far as resignation and

Re: OODL: Unanimity, consensus, majorities

1999-12-29 Thread M. Uli Kusterer
Things where there might need to be 100% partner agreement. 1. To close the organization. 2. To shorten the period of open polls for voting. 3. ??? I agree, these are things partners do. "partner-level" as I called it in a previous post. Cheers, -- M. Uli Kusterer

OODL: Unanimity, consensus, majorities

1999-12-28 Thread Alain Farmer
Alain: I agree. Unanimity is often hard to achieve and it only requires one dissenter to bog down the process. Each participant is, in effect, given the power of veto. Anthony: Which is a very good thing when each participant is legally liable for the actions decided on. Alain: We have been

Re: OODL: Unanimity, consensus, majorities

1999-12-28 Thread Mark Rauterkus
Getting to the basics, Other have stated, (I'm in disagreement) In my humble opinion, we need to be unanimous on the fundamentals, and we can settle for majorities of varying degrees for the less fundamental issues. Can you detail all the "fundametals" in full view in advance? I think I

Re: OODL: Unanimity, consensus, majorities

1999-12-28 Thread DeRobertis
Things where there might need to be 100% partner agreement. snip 2-item list I think this is fundamentaly the wrong approach when we've got to take on liability for other's actions. Instead of building a list of things which require 100% approval, build a listf things which do not. And that

Re: OODL: Unanimity, consensus, majorities

1999-12-28 Thread M. Uli Kusterer
A democracy cannot vote to become an dictatorship, for example. Uli might know history a little better on this one. I'm sure he can tell you about the late 1920's and early 1930's. Hi, it has to be stated. It's a much-debated part of many constitutions whether to require democracy or not, but

OODL: Unanimity, consensus, majorities

1999-12-27 Thread Alain Farmer
Rob: * I wonder if it is really necessary to have a unanimous agreement on every issue? Alain: Not necessarily. Rob: IMNSHO, the need to be unanimous is less than ideal as a standing policy. Alain: I agree. Unanimity is often hard to achieve and it only requires one dissenter to bog down

Re: OODL: Unanimity, consensus, majorities

1999-12-27 Thread DeRobertis
At 1:27 PM -0800 on 12/27/99, Alain Farmer wrote: Alain: I agree. Unanimity is often hard to achieve and it only requires one dissenter to bog down the process. Each participant is, in effect, given the power of veto. Which is a very good thing when each participant is legally liable for the