Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi, Thanks Ed! Since there are now many CC-BY or BY-SA fonts, should we accept these too? Regards, Dave On 15 Jul 2009, 4:21 AM, Ed Trager ed.tra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all, In reply to Dave's question, under the src/licenses subdirectory in Fontaine's code tree we find:

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
I believe it should be Public Domain, CC-Zero, OFL, and GPLv3-orLater+FE, but I forget if we reached a consensus when this was discussed previously. The consensus we had reached was that we'd focus on font-specific licenses and limit the library to only: MIT, OFL and GPLv3+font-exception we

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/7/15 Nicolas Spalinger nicolas_spalin...@sil.org: I believe it should be Public Domain, CC-Zero, OFL, and GPLv3-orLater+FE, but I forget if we reached a consensus when this was discussed previously. The consensus we had reached was that we'd focus on font-specific licenses and limit the

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Open Font Library Podcast: Dev Talk #4

2009-07-15 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/7/15 Daniel Glassey dglas...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Dave Crosslandd...@lab6.com wrote: http://openfontlibrary.org/2009-06_12_OFLB_devtalk.mp3 22Mb I think you mean http://openfontlibrary.org/2009-07-12_OFLB_devtalk.mp3 as that is what you mention in the other

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/7/15 Nicolas Spalinger nicolas_spalin...@sil.org: Since there are now many CC-BY or BY-SA fonts, should we accept these too? Many? http://fontstruct.fontshop.com/gallery has produced hundreds. I strongly recommend we tell people using CC combinations to use font-specific licenses for

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Ed Trager
Hi, Nicolas, (1) I'll work on chasing down the deprecated licenses you mention. This is straightforward to do. (2) The CC Licenses are actually the ones that I find most confusing ... Could someone provide me the names and links to actual fonts licensed under CC licenses so I can see what the

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi, I mirrored http://fontstruct.fontshop.com/download/7294 at http://dave.lab6.com/acid/dump/2009/structurosa.zip CC licenses require their URL to be present in the file, and the CC URL design is top rate, so searching fonts for these 4 URLs should be the most reliable way to do it:

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread nicolas . mailhot
Hi, Nicolas, (1) I'll work on chasing down the deprecated licenses you mention. This is straightforward to do. Some of them such as Stix should not be used anymore Others like GUST are sort of ok in an evil way, but GUST people tend to make very bad licensing choices so I'd audit carefully

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
Ed Trager wrote: Hi, Nicolas, (1) I'll work on chasing down the deprecated licenses you mention. This is straightforward to do. Great. I meant deprecated as in project-.org-specific and not neutral and reusable like MIT/OFL/GPLv2+FE. This may save you some time:

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
I meant deprecated as in project-.org-specific and not neutral and reusable like MIT/OFL/GPLv2+FE. Hum, I really meant GPLv3 there. -- Nicolas Spalinger, NRSI volunteer Debian/Ubuntu font teams / OpenFontLibrary http://planet.open-fonts.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread nicolas . mailhot
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Nicolas Spalingernicolas_spalin...@sil.org wrote: Ed Trager wrote: Hi, Nicolas, (1) I'll work on chasing down the deprecated licenses you mention. This is straightforward to do. Great. Do the Adobe-licensed-to-TeX Utopia fonts exist in a TrueType or

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Ed Trager
Hi, Nicolas (Mailhot), Vollkorn http://www.grafikfritze.de/?p=43 This appears to be a very nice font. The web page says its under a CC license -- but which one? In any case, the License field within the font itself only says Copyright (c) FRiTZe, 2006. All rights reserved. So Fontaine can

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread nicolas . mailhot
Hi, Nicolas (Mailhot), Vollkorn http://www.grafikfritze.de/?p=43 This appears to be a very nice font. The web page says its under a CC license -- but which one? The license is linked on the font homepage http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/de/ -- Nicolas Mailhot

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
Ed Trager wrote: Hi, Nicolas (Mailhot), Vollkorn http://www.grafikfritze.de/?p=43 This appears to be a very nice font. The web page says its under a CC license -- but which one? In any case, the License field within the font itself only says Copyright (c) FRiTZe, 2006. All rights

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread nicolas . mailhot
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:28:28AM -0400, Ed Trager wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Nicolas Do the Adobe-licensed-to-TeX Utopia fonts exist in a TrueType or OpenType packaging? Fontaine's current code looks only at the SFNT structures in TrueType/OpenType fonts. Would anyone

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Ed Trager
Hi, Nicolas et al., Do the Adobe-licensed-to-TeX Utopia fonts exist in a TrueType or OpenType packaging? Heuristica is a transformation to OpenType (CFF TT) ftp://ftp.dvo.ru/pub/Font/heuristica/ It's been relicensed to the OFL, which seemed compatible with the TUG grant when we looked

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread nicolas . mailhot
Hi, Nicolas et al., Do the Adobe-licensed-to-TeX Utopia fonts exist in a TrueType or OpenType packaging? Heuristica is a transformation to OpenType (CFF TT) ftp://ftp.dvo.ru/pub/Font/heuristica/ It's been relicensed to the OFL, which seemed compatible with the TUG grant when we

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Erin Fenton
how can I unsubscribe from this mailing list? On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:09, nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: Hi, Nicolas et al., Do the Adobe-licensed-to-TeX Utopia fonts exist in a TrueType or OpenType packaging? Heuristica is a transformation to OpenType (CFF TT)

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Ed Trager
The Yanone fonts have a similar problem: web page says CC (Generic CC) but the font header only says Copyright (c) Yanone, 2005. All rights reserved. ... so the font file itself fails to identify a license as far as I can see. On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:09 PM, nicolas.mail...@laposte.net

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread nicolas . mailhot
The Yanone fonts have a similar problem: web page says CC (Generic CC) but the font header only says Copyright (c) Yanone, 2005. All rights reserved. ... so the font file itself fails to identify a license as far as I can see. It's linked on the homepage and included in the zip :p I'd

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/7/15 Nicolas Spalinger nicolas_spalin...@sil.org: only attribution (and German jurisdiction). CC jurisdictions are portable; the license texts say that you can switch to the same CC license of your jurisdiction when you derive.

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Ed Trager
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:34 PM, nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: The Yanone fonts have a similar problem: web page says CC (Generic CC) but the font header only says   Copyright (c) Yanone, 2005. All rights reserved. ... so the font file itself fails to identify a license as far as I

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Ed Trager
Hi Ed, In the project-and-organisation-specific deprecated category we may want to add detection for the following licensing models: - Utopia - Baekmuk ... Baekmuk font files also do not identify the license in any clear way ... :-( - GUST - Hershey - Lucida - Stix - Wadalab - mplus

[OpenFontLibrary] Implicit or explicit license info for typefaces on OFLB

2009-07-15 Thread Ben Weiner
Hi all, Interesting problem: 1. TTF/OTF font files are licensed individually (or rather, each has a license field) 2. CCHost's upload form prompts the user to specify a license per typeface record I think 2. is actually desirable from a user point of view but 1. is what's in the files (and

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 06:02:55PM +0200, nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:28:28AM -0400, Ed Trager wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Nicolas Do the Adobe-licensed-to-TeX Utopia fonts exist in a TrueType or OpenType packaging? Fontaine's current

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Implicit or explicit license info for typefaces on OFLB

2009-07-15 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/7/15 Ben Weiner b...@readingtype.org.uk: Hi all, Interesting problem: 1. TTF/OTF font files are licensed individually (or rather, each has a license field) 2. CCHost's upload form prompts the user to specify a license per typeface record I think 2. is actually desirable from a user

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 15 juillet 2009 à 19:52 +0300, Khaled Hosny a écrit : On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 06:02:55PM +0200, nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:28:28AM -0400, Ed Trager wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Nicolas Do the Adobe-licensed-to-TeX Utopia

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Ed Trager
Hi, Nicolas, Hi Ed, In the project-and-organisation-specific deprecated category we may want to add detection for the following licensing models: - Utopia ADDED TO FONTAINE. TESTED USING HEURISTICA FONT FAMILY. - Baekmuk *NOT* ADDED. BAEKMUK FONT FILES DO NOT MENTION THE LICENSE ... -

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 15 juillet 2009 à 15:12 -0400, Ed Trager a écrit : - GUST *NOT* ADDED. Are there any GUST fonts in TTF or OTF format? Lots http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/tex-gyre/whole Though unfortunately they derived GPL ghostscript fonts and slapped their own license on the

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 08:19:30PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le mercredi 15 juillet 2009 à 19:52 +0300, Khaled Hosny a écrit : On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 06:02:55PM +0200, nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:28:28AM -0400, Ed Trager wrote: On Wed, Jul 15,

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Ed Trager
Hi, Khaled, I'm not sure in what sense using Type1 fonts would screw up the rest of the system. TeX fonts has always been a different territory, and aren't supposed to integrate with the rest of the system anyway. Technically speaking, TeX is frozen and will never get updated, Even though

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Ed Trager
OK, everyone, Fontaine revision 29 now adds GUST font license detection too ... Best - Ed 2009/7/15 Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net: Le mercredi 15 juillet 2009 à 15:12 -0400, Ed Trager a écrit : - GUST *NOT* ADDED.  Are there any GUST fonts in TTF or OTF format? Lots

[OpenFontLibrary] Rejecting Type 1 fonts

2009-07-15 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi, If the tex community needs type 1 fonts, I think CTAN is the appropriate place for them. OFLB is aimed at graphic artists, and they strongly prefer ttf/otf. Id like CTAN to consume OFLB and automate the TeXification in the future. So I think OFLB should reject Type 1 fonts. Regards, Dave

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What licenses do we accept?

2009-07-15 Thread Karl Berry
It's been relicensed to the OFL, which seemed compatible with the TUG grant when we looked at it. Doesn't seem compatible to me. Just for starters, there's nothing in the Utopia text that lets a downstream distributor specify new reserved font names as the OFL does (regardless of