Re: [OpenFontLibrary] GPL fonts! (Was: Open Font Library submissions)

2008-11-11 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/11/11 Nicolas Spalinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [...] So I think it would be fine for a font to say in its metadata, Copyright (c) 2002-2004 Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, George Bush Jr. This font is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the Open Font License

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] GPL fonts! (Was: Open Font Library submissions)

2008-11-11 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/11/10 Karl Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think requiring the font exception would be ideal - ie, removing the 2nd category above. FWIW, I don't agree. I liked your earlier conception much better: if it's under a free software license, it can be in OFLB. For one thing, it makes for

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] GPL fonts! (Was: Open Font Library submissions)

2008-11-11 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
It is possible a font designer would *choose* to license under GPL without font exception. Not that I know of any actual examples, it's always just been ignorance, but it's conceivable. Conceivable yes, desirable for end-users, IMHO I don't think so... I imagine the user choosing such a font

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] GPL fonts! (Was: Open Font Library submissions)

2008-11-11 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/11/10 Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Le lundi 10 novembre 2008 à 17:31 +, Dave Crossland a écrit : So I think it would be fine for a font to say in its metadata, Unfortunately, in the actual world, that does not work for fonts. I don't know if it's because no one reads the font

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] GPL fonts! (Was: Open Font Library submissions)

2008-11-11 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
[...] So I think it would be fine for a font to say in its metadata, Copyright (c) 2002-2004 Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, George Bush Jr. This font is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the Open Font License as published by SIL; either version 1.1 of the

[OpenFontLibrary] GPL fonts! (Was: Open Font Library submissions)

2008-11-10 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Open Font Library list, and Bolt Cutter Design! 2008/11/10 Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So, sadly, I've had to delete all these fonts. After investigating a little further, I see at their website - http://www.boltcutterdesign.net/fonts1.html - that they've decided to make these fonts

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] GPL fonts! (Was: Open Font Library submissions)

2008-11-10 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le lundi 10 novembre 2008 à 13:05 +, Ben Weiner a écrit : Dave Crossland wrote: I would also want to see the fonts follow the recommendation of the FSF (the GPL's authors) and add the font exception Is this a concrete recommendation of FSF?

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] GPL fonts! (Was: Open Font Library submissions)

2008-11-10 Thread Ben Weiner
Hi, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le lundi 10 novembre 2008 à 13:05 +, Ben Weiner a écrit : - OFL: feels like a regular font, but doesn't have embedding restrictions (you can send it to a printer or distribute it as part of a brand identity, ideally using the OFLB site URL for the typeface to

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] GPL fonts! (Was: Open Font Library submissions)

2008-11-10 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le lundi 10 novembre 2008 à 14:45 +, Ben Weiner a écrit : Hi, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le lundi 10 novembre 2008 à 13:05 +, Ben Weiner a écrit : - OFL: feels like a regular font, but doesn't have embedding restrictions (you can send it to a printer or distribute it as part of

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] GPL fonts! (Was: Open Font Library submissions)

2008-11-10 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/11/10 James Weiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can you explain why these things are annoying? Because it seems a lot of fonts authors do not bother with them, and the renaming part means that without fontlogs tracing font history is difficult It seems to me that some sort of parent/child

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] GPL fonts! (Was: Open Font Library submissions)

2008-11-10 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/11/10 Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But Nicolas M is talking about fonts out there in the wild more than OFLB fonts, I think. Yes, I'm talking about the actual OFL fonts we've packaged in the past. (By we he means the Fedora GNU/Linux distribution) It's very annoying to get an

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] GPL fonts! (Was: Open Font Library submissions)

2008-11-10 Thread James Weiner
It seems to me that some sort of parent/child relationship tracking would solve this more elegantly. The only issue being whether the CChost software either supports or could be made to support that. ccHost's remix feature is basically this. But Nicolas M is talking about fonts out there

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] GPL fonts! (Was: Open Font Library submissions)

2008-11-10 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/11/10 James Weiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Are there no font formats that can carry easily accessible meta data like ID3 does for mp3s etc? TrueType and OpenType do this easily enough; the problem is getting users to put the metadata there. FontForge has made it very easy to add the OFL to

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] GPL fonts! (Was: Open Font Library submissions)

2008-11-10 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/11/10 Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED]: TrueType and OpenType do this easily enough; the problem is getting users to put the metadata there. And keep it up to date / accurate Even when there is info in font metadata we often can not trust it because it has been wrong so many times

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] GPL fonts! (Was: Open Font Library submissions)

2008-11-10 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le lundi 10 novembre 2008 à 17:31 +, Dave Crossland a écrit : 2008/11/10 Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED]: TrueType and OpenType do this easily enough; the problem is getting users to put the metadata there. And keep it up to date / accurate Even when there is info in font

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] GPL fonts! (Was: Open Font Library submissions)

2008-11-10 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le lundi 10 novembre 2008 à 16:33 +, Dave Crossland a écrit : 2008/11/10 James Weiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Are there no font formats that can carry easily accessible meta data like ID3 does for mp3s etc? TrueType and OpenType do this easily enough; the problem is

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] GPL fonts! (Was: Open Font Library submissions)

2008-11-10 Thread Ben Weiner
Hi, Dave Crossland wrote: Hi Open Font Library list, and Bolt Cutter Design! snipped Since this is a free software license, I think the Open Font Library should be willing to accept these fonts afterall, as long as a little more work is done to make them licensed ideally. Ace. Bring

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] GPL fonts! (Was: Open Font Library submissions)

2008-11-10 Thread Fontfreedom
Le lundi 10 novembre 2008 ? 16:33 +, Dave Crossland a ?crit : 2008/11/10 James Weiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Are there no font formats that can carry easily accessible meta data like ID3 does for mp3s etc? TrueType and OpenType do this easily enough; the problem is getting users

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] GPL fonts! (Was: Open Font Library submissions)

2008-11-10 Thread Karl Berry
I think requiring the font exception would be ideal - ie, removing the 2nd category above. FWIW, I don't agree. I liked your earlier conception much better: if it's under a free software license, it can be in OFLB. For one thing, it makes for a much simpler decision process than we