Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 7 avril 2009 10:09, Dave Crossland a écrit : 2009/4/7 Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net: They would have been better advised to lay minimal conditions in simple words and not let their lawyers pile up unrelated fell-good material in the licensing. Given I basically like

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/4/7 Ed Trager ed.tra...@gmail.com: this newly published IPA Font License in English finally clears the way for inclusion of the IPA fonts in Linux distributions ... Sounds like a good result, as long as it isn't promoted as best practice :-)

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Bruce Perens criticized SIL Open Font License

2009-04-07 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: I heard a rumour that the Reading MATD portfolio site at www.typefacedesign.org has PDFs from which fonts were extracted and posted on some Chinese or Russian forum (communists, eh? ;-) The I can hear you! :) rumour was that the rips

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Bruce Perens criticized SIL Open Font License

2009-04-07 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 17:17 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Extracting fonts from PDF and saving in editable form is not rocket science. You just grab Fontmatrix/SVN :) That would be a really really really bad feature to put into fontmatrix, I'd say! Let's at least try to keep at least a

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Bruce Perens criticized SIL Open Font License

2009-04-07 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 05:17:57PM +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: rumour was that the rips were of much lower quality than the student's real, unpublished, OTFs - incomplete metrics, glyph encodings wrong, that kind of thing. Extracting fonts from PDF and saving in editable form is

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Bruce Perens criticized SIL Open Font License

2009-04-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 7 avril 2009 16:45, Liam R E Quin a écrit : On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 17:17 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Extracting fonts from PDF and saving in editable form is not rocket science. You just grab Fontmatrix/SVN :) That would be a really really really bad feature to put into

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Bruce Perens criticized SIL Open Font License

2009-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/4/7 Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net: On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 17:17 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Extracting fonts from PDF and saving in editable form is not rocket science. You just grab Fontmatrix/SVN :) That would be a really really really bad feature to put into fontmatrix, I'd

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] extraction issues

2009-04-07 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
Liam R E Quin wrote: On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 17:17 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Extracting fonts from PDF and saving in editable form is not rocket science. You just grab Fontmatrix/SVN :) That would be a really really really bad feature to put into fontmatrix, I'd say! Let's at

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] extraction issues

2009-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/4/7 Nicolas Spalinger nicolas_spalin...@sil.org: Please let's not do that No one is advocating doing this, for proprietary or libre fonts. I think we all agree it would be improper, in both cases. But advocating having the feature implemented is not advocating using it improperly. I'm

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: And as I said, I would prefer to avoid a new version of OFL until there is a real world example of the OFLv1.1 being defective; until then, the FAQ updates are the best response. Amen to that? :) Alexandre

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] extraction issues

2009-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/4/7 Nicolas Spalinger nicolas_spalin...@sil.org: Dave Crossland wrote: 2009/4/7 Nicolas Spalinger nicolas_spalin...@sil.org: Please let's not do that No one is advocating doing this, for proprietary or libre fonts. I think we all agree it would be improper, in both cases. But

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/4/7 Nicolas Spalinger nicolas_spalin...@sil.org: Though addressing his point should not require full rewrite of the license, just of the problem paragraph (another bit should be clarifying the renaming clauses and make it clear they're an option authors can shoose not to exercise). As

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFL problems, IPA License annoyances

2009-04-07 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
OTOH there's the great work of Arne Gotje on CJK fonts which may well provide the community with a .jp font family with more re-usable and community-known licensing. And also don't forget the work of the WenQuanYi project, http://wenq.org/ Thanks for pointing that out. (it's hard for me

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] extraction issues

2009-04-07 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Nicolas Spalinger wrote: I agree, attempting extraction for that purpose is really abusing the author's willingness to put out a PDF specimen for review/critique regardless of the chosen licensing. http://fontmatrix.net/node/43 Alexandre

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Bruce Perens criticized SIL Open Font License

2009-04-07 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 17:37 +0200, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:45:22AM -0400, Liam R E Quin wrote: On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 17:17 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Extracting fonts from PDF and saving in editable form is not rocket science. You just grab Fontmatrix/SVN

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Bruce Perens criticized SIL Open Font License

2009-04-07 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Liam R E Quin wrote: No, not at all -- it assumes that the type designers and vendors don't like people doing it, which _is_ true, by and large.  I'm saying, let's not do things which we know will cause anger, bad publicity and potentially leave a lasting bad

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Bruce Perens criticized SIL Open Font License

2009-04-07 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 04:30:12PM -0400, Liam R E Quin wrote: On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 17:37 +0200, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:45:22AM -0400, Liam R E Quin wrote: On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 17:17 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Extracting fonts from PDF and saving in

[OpenFontLibrary] OFLB at LGM2009?

2009-04-07 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi, I've been putting off my LGM2009 flights/room bookings, and am now at the point where I have to say I really doubt I will be able to go. Since I'd like to have the OFLBv2 progress presented there, I wonder who is definitely going, and would like to to offer help to someone to present OFLB at

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFLB at LGM2009?

2009-04-07 Thread Jon Phillips
I'm definitely going. It would be great to have another voice though...I talk too much ;) Jon On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 6:52 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: Hi, I've been putting off my LGM2009 flights/room bookings, and am now at the point where I have to say I really doubt I will be

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] extraction issues

2009-04-07 Thread Karl Berry
I'm interested in what the others here think, and not just the vocal few. Since you asked, personally I think the FAQ entry is good. I highly doubt there is any legal basis for concluding that extracting a font from a document somehow magically loses all copyright, but, as Dave said,

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Bruce Perens criticized SIL Open Font License

2009-04-07 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 00:23 +0200, Khaled Hosny wrote: [...] I really appreciate the art behind type design, but I highly doubt that type designers in them selves are really interested in locking up their work of art. You might be surprised. Having said that, I think I've said enough, it's

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] OFLB at LGM2009?

2009-04-07 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 00:52 +0200, Dave Crossland wrote: [...] Since I'd like to have the OFLBv2 progress presented there, I wonder who is definitely going, and would like to to offer help to someone to present OFLB at LGM2009. For what it's worth, my travel request was turned down, so I