Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?

2009-05-31 Thread Dave Crossland
Id voice your concern on the www-style list, since css3 web fonts isn't a final rec yet, and I expect more font fun in css4... :) Regards, Dave On 30 May 2009, 1:43 AM, Karl Berry k...@freefriends.org wrote: You could always override other people's design choices in your own browser if needed:

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?

2009-05-31 Thread gww
All I want to do with font-face is disable it. Is that possible? Sure, use an old browser which doesn't support it.

[OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?

2009-05-29 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi, I hope I don't get flamed for this. I'm not a typophile, but an i18n'er. I've been working all my adult life making sure GNOME is accessible to people in any language they wish to use it with. I fully understand the importance of having good, high quality, legible, fonts. I also

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?

2009-05-29 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 10:30 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: [...] What I don't understand is, why is it a good idea to let website designers choose what font *I* read their text with? It's a basic usability question. It's a balance. Like Flash™, on the one foot it allows people to experiment

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?

2009-05-29 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 05/29/2009 10:57 AM, Liam R E Quin wrote: Of course, there are also i18n reasons to supply a font -- if you're writing in a script that has poor support on major platforms, you no longer have to decide between text-in-images or telling people to install a font. This made me smile. It was

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?

2009-05-29 Thread Schrijver
+1 And one important effect I think expected by many, is that the web becomes more attractive for professional graphic designers, Who at the moment far prefer working in print exactly because of the control over typography, layout, measurements etc… And are skilled in using these elements

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?

2009-05-29 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: What I don't understand is, why is it a good idea to let website designers choose what font *I* read their text with? Think of paper books :) Alexandre

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?

2009-05-29 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 05/29/2009 11:10 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: What I don't understand is, why is it a good idea to let website designers choose what font *I* read their text with? Think of paper books :) Their limitation that I can't resize the

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?

2009-05-29 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Hi, I hope I don't get flamed for this. I'm not a typophile, but an i18n'er. I've been working all my adult life making sure GNOME is accessible to people in any language they wish to use it with. I fully understand the importance of having good, high quality,

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?

2009-05-29 Thread Jeremy Dunck
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org wrote: So, please tell me, how is making it easier for website designers to enforce their type on me a good thing? Right now, people use sIFR or image replacement. This is hard for a viewer to change. By moving to @font-face,

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?

2009-05-29 Thread ricardo lafuente
Nicolas Spalinger wrote: So, please tell me, how is making it easier for website designers to enforce their type on me a good thing? More freedom to them :-) and more visibility for open fonts too: as designers get the chance to use fonts besides the MS/Apple non-free 'core-fonts'

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?

2009-05-29 Thread Christopher Fynn
Nicolas Spalinger wrote: ... But I think for many people @font-face will be a great enabler: they will have a much nicer solution for publishing content on the web (or platforms using web-technologies) via open standards and have to worry about pictures and problematic encodings to represent

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?

2009-05-29 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 05/29/2009 12:16 PM, Christopher Fynn wrote: Nicolas Spalinger wrote: ... But I think for many people @font-face will be a great enabler: they will have a much nicer solution for publishing content on the web (or platforms using web-technologies) via open standards and have to worry about

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?

2009-05-29 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: This will change hopefully by the end of the year.  Firefox plans to use HarfBuzz on all platforms. Speaking of which... What is the best way to track HarfBuzz progress? Alexandre

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?

2009-05-29 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Jeremy Dunck jdu...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org wrote: So, please tell me, how is making it easier for website designers to enforce their type on me a good thing? Right now, people use sIFR or image

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?

2009-05-29 Thread Jeremy Dunck
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Jeremy Dunck jdu...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org wrote: So, please tell me, how is making it easier for website designers

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?

2009-05-29 Thread minombresbond
El Fri, 29 May 2009 10:30:50 -0400 Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org escribió: Hi, What I don't understand is, why is it a good idea to let website designers choose what font *I* read their text with? you always have the possibility to change to your own page style in the browser page

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?

2009-05-29 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Jeremy Dunck jdu...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Jeremy Dunck jdu...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?

2009-05-29 Thread Jeremy Dunck
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com wrote: ... This would be easier if it was possible to negotiate between the browser and website as to which fonts are desired, sort of 'Accept-Font' (similar to Accept-Encoding and Accept-Language). Can the browser

Re: [OpenFontLibrary] What's the big deal about @font-face anyway?

2009-05-29 Thread Karl Berry
You could always override other people's design choices in your own browser if needed: http://kb.mozillazine.org/UserContent.css http://uwstopia.nl/blog/2006/01/my-fonts-are-better-than-yours All I want to do with font-face is disable it. Is that possible? I looked at these