Re: Argus usefulness, was Re: Learning from Argus, Re: How to kill open-source project via funding, was Re: Argus correction

2003-12-21 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Tim Churches wrote: ... Sure, but HTTPS browser-to-web server communication assumes that the practice is always connected to the Internet, which is usually not the case. ... Tim, Browser-to-remote web server is not the only possible architecture when using HTTPS. We can

Re: Argus usefulness, was Re: Learning from Argus, Re: How to kill open-source project via funding, was Re: Argus correction

2003-12-21 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Horst Herb wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:56, Andrew Ho wrote:   Specifically, what are the benefits of inter-connecting distributed systems via email messages instead of https, for example? Because we *don't* have distributed systems. Interoperability of systems

RE: Vista on the BBC News Web-site

2003-12-21 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Jim Self wrote: Thanks for taking the time to look. I will be glad to help. I think that MUMPS is vastly underappreciated by those who are not familiar with it Jim, I have heard this statement enough times that I am convinced that it must have some merit. However, unless

Re: Conflict of interest, was Re: Vista on the BBC News Web-site

2003-12-20 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, david derauf wrote: Are you speaking from experience as a VISTA user, or just speaking? David, I was a daily VistA user/hacker (1990-1997), as disclosed yesterday in this message: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg09780.html As I mentioned several times

Re: Argus (was Re: Alternatives to PKI for the transmission of health information over the Internet.)

2003-12-20 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sat, 21 Dec 2003, Tim Churches wrote: ... Definitely look at the Argus project at http://uob-community.ballarat.edu.au/cceh/Argus/ - as I mentioned, it is available at no cost (and is supposed to be available as open source at some stage), ... Tim, According to

Distributed security, Re: Master Patient Index systems and Public Health

2003-12-19 Thread Andrew Ho
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... After so many cases of abuse of power from around the world, credibility will be quite difficult to achieve. Any guarantee is only going to be as good as its perceived strength. How do you propose to backup such guarantees? ... Information

free healthcare software and economic model, was Re: models and things

2003-12-19 Thread Andrew Ho
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Adrian Midgley wrote: ... How does one build Open Source healthcare software so as to stay out of hot water in a variety of economic models? Adrian, If I may, I believe the question you posed is utterly non-sense. Economic models attempt to describe real-world

Churches 2003 correction, was Re: SDSS vs. other methods

2003-12-18 Thread Andrew Ho
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Tim Churches wrote: ... What I wrote was as follows: Pommerening et al. [20] described a technique for improving privacy and ... Ho subsequently described and obtained a United States patent for a ... Tim, Immediately following this Related work section you wrote:

Myths Open Source Developers Tell Ourselves

2003-12-12 Thread Andrew Ho
Found this via Slashdot this morning: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2003/12/11/myths.html My favorites: - Writing maintainable code is important. Perhaps it's the most important practice of software development. It's secondary, though, to solving a problem. - It's really hard to

OSHCA 2003, Re: The Observer | Business | NHS may ditch Microsoft on costs

2003-12-12 Thread Andrew Ho
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: The irony of this development for those who were at OSHCA 2001 in London will not be lost... Joseph, Speaking of OSHCA 2001 brings to mind the recently concluded OSHCA 2003 (2003/12/7-9). Is there a more up-to-date program than those available at

Re: GPL is dead, say's SCO CEO at Comdex.

2003-11-20 Thread Andrew Ho
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Wayne Wilson wrote: I don't have the URL's handy right now, but you should be able to find them on any tech news site. Counterpoint -- Nov. 19, 2003 Businessweek commentary by Russ Roberts Why Linux Is Wealthier Than Microsoft:

Re: workflow in healthcare

2003-11-19 Thread Andrew Ho
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Tim Cook wrote: On Wed, 2003-11-19 at 08:25, Andrew Ho wrote: Until we have free tools and an open infrastructure to exchange cliniciano-composable workflows, clinical (and research) workflows research and development will be severely hampered. Maybe OIO can solve

install to virtual machine, was Re: re live oio

2003-11-14 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: Andrew, What exactly is a virtual machine? See: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/18/2025249 Best regards, Andrew --- Andrew P. Ho, M.D. OIO: Open Infrastructure for Outcomes www.TxOutcome.Org

RE: [Bates/Kantor/Midgley/Wilson Correspondence in JAMIA]

2003-11-14 Thread Andrew Ho
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Kantor, Gary wrote: ... source: http://www.jamia.org/cgi/content/full/10/6/617 We are well aware of the status of open-source electronic health records (EHRs), Really, any evidence of this? Which

Re: [Bates/Kantor/Midgley/Wilson Correspondence in JAMIA]

2003-11-14 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Horst Herb wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:31, Kantor, Gary wrote: The open-source approach has worked best for tools, and there is no example that we are aware of in which something as complex as an EHR has succeeded. With all due respect, I don't think you have

Re: Zope, was Re: Java Python was: Re: Re: RODS vs. OpenEMed, was Re: Open source medical survellance

2003-11-10 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, David Forslund wrote: The magical things are much stronger type checking Dave, Zope can also does Type checking - as strong as you like. The difference is the existence of a mandatory interface description and gateway layer. There are certainly pros and cons to having this

Re: HTML is not HTTP (was Re: Zope, was Re: Java Python was: ...)

2003-11-10 Thread Andrew Ho
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, David W. Forslund wrote: ... Both statements above are not true: 1) Zope can send back any kind of file. 2) Web browsers know what to do with many non-HTML files (e.g. plain text, gif, jpg, etc). 1) isn't what I said I said I invoked the object and that is what

Re: Zope, was Re: Java Python was: Re: Re: RODS vs. OpenEMed, was Re: Open source medical survellance

2003-11-09 Thread Andrew Ho
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, David Forslund wrote: ... http, https. What if I want to use another protocol? URIs allow for a variety of protocols. Dave, vanilla Zope also supports ftp - for an overview of Zope architecture, this may help:

Re: Live OIO

2003-11-06 Thread Andrew Ho
Heitzso, Sorry that it is not obvious where to find this md5sum: http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=189288 It is part of the release notes in Sourceforge's file area. Click on the book icon for LiveOIO-1.0.6 immediately above the LiveOIO-1.0.6.iso download link. Best

simplify complexity, was Re: RODS vs. OpenEMed, was Re: Open source medical survellance

2003-11-06 Thread Andrew Ho
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Karsten Hilbert wrote: ... more tuning options than PostgreSQL, and takes slightly longer to set up properly in my experience. But both are probably an order of magnitude less complex to configure than Oracle. I was suspecting a difference in the complexity of the setup

LiveOIO-1.0.6 released

2003-11-02 Thread Andrew Ho
Dear colleagues, I am pleased to announce yet another step forward in delivering one-click install of highly flexible and useful open source software for clinicians and researchers. LiveOIO-1.0.6 provides OIO-1.0.6 with 22 pre-built forms, an example schedule, and several workflows (patient

Re: LiveOIO-1.0.6 released

2003-11-02 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sun, 3 Nov 2003, Tim Churches wrote: ... 2) restore (converts /home/knoppix/publicdb.zip back into publicdb in PostgreSQL) Are you just zipping the PG data directories? Tim, No, we are using pg_dump. Or are you dumping the database to a separate file and zipping that?

CD-ROM + RAM-only server, Re: LiveOIO-1.0.6 released

2003-11-02 Thread Andrew Ho
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Tim Churches wrote: ... This is MOST interesting! OIO must be the only EMR system which can do this! If you may remember I wrote to you in an email of this possiblity when we discovered Knoppix. I have been speaking of this to my colleagues and now it has come true!

LiveOpenEMed, Re: LiveOIO-1.0.6 released

2003-11-02 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, David Forslund wrote: I find this to be an interesting discussion. About 4 years ago, we delivered our OpenEMed software on a flashcard so that you can simply plug it into a computer and run it with no installation. The flash card works much better than a CD Rom because

Care2x description

2003-10-20 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, plasticdoc wrote: ... Perhaps we could all agree on something. Fell free to take a look at the program Care2x. J, Thanks for telling us about your project. Do you mind having a discussion with some clarifying questions? ... It is mainly made in PHP. What else in

LiveOIO image download, was Re: scheduling system, was Re: Some user stuff: 1) Appointment system (modularity)

2003-10-20 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Calle Hedberg wrote: ... I've tried to download your liveOIO-1.0.0.rc2.iso image file, but the first mirror tried (easynews) says the requested file don't exist. Calle, There may be file size limit on some of the mirrors, so the mirroring is not complete. The second

100% priceless, was Re: 100% non-invasive? was Re: Demo's was: Some user stuff: 1) Appointment system (modularity)

2003-10-20 Thread Andrew Ho
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: ... How does the ad for that credit card go... Some things in life are free, for others you have to pay outrageous interest fees? Nothing in life is free, especially freedom. Some things in life can be bought with money, others are priceless. Free

Re: Care2x description

2003-10-20 Thread Andrew Ho
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Elpidio Latorilla wrote: ... Javascript for client sided validations and Java for the dicom viewer. Elpido, I just tried the Java Dicom viewer and it is fantastic! Does it support drawing annotations? For example, circling an area of interest? I did not see that

Face-off, Is GPL good for software industry? (Network World)

2003-10-18 Thread Andrew Ho
When I read this, I am reminded of the discussion between Matias and myself a couple of days ago. Only Bradley Kuhn (Free Software Foundation) said Yes! so much better: http://www.nwfusion.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=840docid=7922 Chris Sontag (SCO) said No! but I don't think it is quite

Intentional Ignorance, Re: state of family practice EMRs {was ranting]

2003-10-16 Thread Andrew Ho
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Adrian Midgley wrote: ... to MedPlexus et al after David Kibbe. If they are pragmatic, they would have at least looked into some of the free software projects and made a public statement of why existing projects do not fit their needs, if that's their conclusion. I'm

Re: anyone can sell out, was Re: AAFP Sells Out

2003-10-16 Thread Andrew Ho
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Matias Klein wrote: ... Obviously, developers should be compensated for their work if people wish for them to flourish. Matias, There is no disgreement regarding the utility of compensation for work performed. I believe the market will offer profits to systems

piece-meal use of SNOMED etc, was Re: (Open)VistA and SNOMED/Coding systems

2003-10-13 Thread Andrew Ho
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Adrian Midgley wrote: On Monday 13 October 2003 08:06, Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: It is unfortunate that SNOMED is a proprietary system, and quite costly to use and maintain. Concur. Nandalal and Adrian, I believe it is fair-use to annotate items and responses on

Re: LiveOIO-1.0.0.rc2 released

2003-10-11 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003, Heitzso wrote: ... However, I have a question-caution. Do you have a clean version update and security update mechanism in place? LiveOIO is Knoppix with the addition of a few more Debian packages (PostgreSQL, Zope, etc) + OIO. All packages with the exception of OIO can be

LiveOIO-1.0.0.rc2 released

2003-10-10 Thread Andrew Ho
Dear colleagues, I have uploaded a new version of LiveOIO to Sourceforge. You can download it from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=9295 LiveOIO-1.0.0.rc2 includes OIO-1.0.1 and an improved interface for starting the OIO Server. Instead of typing startOIO into a

CRISNET, Re: Any open Source clinical trials management systems?

2003-10-09 Thread Andrew Ho
On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Etienne Saliez wrote: ... Patient information is shared on secured regional servers. ... The software is in principle available in Open Source, for non commercial use. ... http://www.crisnet.be/index-uk.html ... Etienne, Where can we go to download the software? Do you

Re: ZSVG_Graph 1.1.0 released, with Pie Graph

2003-09-30 Thread Andrew Ho
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Andreas Tille wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Andrew Ho wrote: ... criticism, comments, suggestions are invited! The usual criticism/comment/suggestion: Ship it as Zope Product instead of a zexp ... Andreas, There are two kinds of Zope products - those that reside

ZSVG_Graph 1.1.0 released, with Pie Graph

2003-09-29 Thread Andrew Ho
Dear colleagues, Finally finished dynamic Pie graph drawing via SVG, available immediately via free download and use according GPL. It was accepted for publication this morning by Zope.Org: http://www.zope.org/Members/aho/ZSVG_Graph%201.1.0 Reviews, criticism, comments, suggestions are

Re: where standards come from, was RE: separating applications from data interchange format, was Re: Lost cause: Microsoft Word submission requirement

2003-09-14 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Thomas Beale wrote: ... there are projects already happening - one under consideration is an Australian government funded one which could lead to a national EHR infrastructure Thomas, Would you tell us more about this Australian government-funded project? In particular,

Re: HL7 v3 as EMR data interchange format, was RE: HL7 summary re quest

2003-09-14 Thread Andrew Ho
Entity - a physician called Andrew Ho. Role - physician Participation - physician (role) can write progress note (act) Act_relationship - after write progress note (act) can sign progress note (act) Role_link - all psychiatrists (role) are physicians (role). [based on reference at http

Re: where standards come from, was RE: separating applications from data interchange format, was Re: Lost cause: Microsoft Word submission requirement

2003-09-13 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Thomas Beale wrote: Andrew Ho wrote: Finally, I don't see pure-standards efforts such as HL7 and OpenEHR giving us any industry standard. It is against the vendors' interest to abide by adequately open standards. A sufficient industry standard can only come bundled

Re: Open Source EMRs at the American College of Physicians

2003-09-13 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Bruce Slater, MD wrote: ... So the question is who has a spiffy portable EMR, can wax eloquent in a class room demonstration as well as perform under pressure to get data into the system? Bruce, I am interested. I have done both lecture/demo presentations and half-day

Re: HL7 v3 as EMR data interchange format, was RE: HL7 summary re quest

2003-09-12 Thread Andrew Ho
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Thomas Beale wrote: ... In that case, do you think HL7 v3 is sufficient to support portable medical records between EMR systems? Could it prevent the same barriers that HL7 implementions ran into? the problem with this is that a) the HL7 RIM is not a particularly good

URL_callable application interface, was Re: graph from patient data

2003-08-29 Thread Andrew Ho
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, David Forslund wrote: ... An example may help: Let's say if we call http://calculator.tools.org/add?a=2b=3; and get 5 as the returned value, then this is a callable_from_URL adding machine. We do this all the time, but it is simply passing arguments into an existing

Re: graph from patient data

2003-08-28 Thread Andrew Ho
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, David Forslund wrote: What you say is very important. OIO is basically a very good Content Management System will suited to the healthcare needs. Dave, Thanks! I am most interested in your view on OIO's limitations, especially from OpenEMed's perspective. Mapping out

Re: Announcement (WARNING: SAD)

2003-07-23 Thread Andrew Ho
from Dave's the very first post to the OpenHealth list (Sept 21, 1998): http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg0.html to the very last (June 16, 2003) http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg08532.html Dave's humour (June 26, 2002) http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL

TORCH's data model, was Re: OIO's data model (was RE: HHS announcementregarding Snomed)

2003-07-05 Thread Andrew Ho
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Tim Cook wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-03 at 18:08, Andrew Ho wrote: For example, we can see the TORCH social history data model in socialhistory updated_time2000/01/01/updated_time No, that is not a data model. It is an exported record. Tim, Thanks for pointing

Re: SNOMED CT in U.K., was Re: HHS announcement regarding Snomed

2003-07-05 Thread Andrew Ho
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Adrian Midgley wrote: On Friday 04 July 2003 00:25, you wrote: What is the status of SNOMED CT usage in the U.K. National Health Service? invisible. Adrian, Could you please clarify? Is SNOMED CT being used in a transparent manner such that its usage is

Re: TORCH's data model, was Re: OIO's data model (was RE: HHSannouncement regarding Snomed)

2003-07-05 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sat, 5 Jul 2003, Tim Cook wrote: ... For the purpose of illustrating the embedding of terminology within an EMR (which was my purpose in mentioning this fragment of TORCH exported record), I thought it sufficient to show just a small example. You were incorrect as there was no example

SNOMED CT in U.K., was Re: HHS announcement regarding Snomed

2003-07-03 Thread Andrew Ho
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Adrian Midgley wrote: ... Will there be any restrictions on the license? /me asks do we get it in the UK as well, not least given that Read/CTT has been merged with SNOMED to form the current set? Adrian, What is the status of SNOMED CT usage in the U.K. National Health

Re: OIO's data model (was RE: HHS announcement regarding Snomed)

2003-07-03 Thread Andrew Ho
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Tim Churches wrote: Andrew Ho wrote: Since OIO does not include any medical terminology (or data model as Tim Churches puts it) A terminology is not a data model. Tim, You are right - but an EMR's data model must include a medical terminology (supported by the EMR

Richard Stallman sheds light on SCO vs. Free Software

2003-06-25 Thread Andrew Ho
The SCO vs. GNU/Linux comapaign gives all of us an invaluable opportunity to review what Free Software aims to achieve and the methodologies that it uses. Without an accurate understanding of Free Software methods and goals, we are vulnerable to distortions by forces hostile to our efforts.

Free software misleads? was Re: Richard Stallman sheds light onSCO vs. Free Software

2003-06-25 Thread Andrew Ho
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Adrian Midgley wrote: ... Could we review what we call it, and choose the unambiguous French, libre software (if the Academie will put up with that or logiciel libre if it won't) rather than the ambiguous English, or American, term, please? Adrian, You make a good

Re: question re current EHR/data submit software

2003-06-24 Thread Andrew Ho
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Karsten Hilbert wrote: I would appreciate thoughts on which existing form-db-process frameworks Heitzso, Please clarify what you mean by form-db-process? I am guessing that it means: create forms, store data in database, generate output or store transformed data

RE: Bring your laptops/PCs to the Sacramento meeting

2003-06-06 Thread Andrew Ho
Pat, Please see: http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=16259group_id=9295 This is a rapid install procedure for the OIO system from downloading the Knoppix image and installing it to hard drive. I posted this on April 1, 2003 and several people have tested the instructions and

Re: AAFP EHR project

2003-04-02 Thread Andrew Ho
to get to all of them. Sincerely, Rick - Original Message - From: Andrew Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OpenHealth List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 2:17 PM Subject: Re: AAFP EHR project summary On 1 Apr 2003, Daniel L. Johnson

Re: AAFP EHR project summary

2003-04-01 Thread Andrew Ho
On 1 Apr 2003, Daniel L. Johnson wrote: ... I received this email from Rick Peters before the official AAFP announcement, and have been meaning to forward it to the list ever since, Dan, Rick, David, Thanks! The fact that this message came through an intermediary suggests that Rick and David

dialog, was Re: AAFP EMR development model, was Re: The greatconundrum

2003-03-29 Thread Andrew Ho
On 30 Mar 2003, Tim Churches wrote: On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 07:50, John S Gage wrote: I find it odd that a psychiatrist should be against dialog. What we have is mostly monologue...err, I mean that AAFP only allow members to join their mailing list, meaning that we only see their press

Re: GPL patent pool, Re: patents and freeing ideas

2003-03-24 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, David Forslund wrote: ... I also don't understand the patent pool and why this costs money. What is the point? Dave, I tried to address this question in the license at http://www.txoutcome.org/scripts/zope/readings/patentpool In particular, the section on Why this may

Re: GPL patent pool, Re: patents and freeing ideas

2003-03-24 Thread Andrew Ho
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Karsten Hilbert wrote: Can we put an end to this old thing ? Now ? Karsten, I agree that the problem has been around for a while - however, we are still looking for a workable solution. When we have a workable solution, then it will become a waste of everyone's time to

Re: SDSS patent, was Re: GPL patent pool, Re: patents and freeingideas

2003-03-24 Thread Andrew Ho
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, David Forslund wrote: ... I assume that you mean that you can reduce the risk factor arbitrarily, which is not really possible, because security is no better than the weakest link, which is at some point is a human being. Dave, I agree. One of the things that SDSS can do

lego and knex analogy, RE: commonalising, freedom, LOTR, Re: commonintermediate schema and n-1 vs. n**2 again, was Re: pros and cons ofarchetypes

2003-02-12 Thread Andrew Ho
On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... In layman's terms: I can build structures with Lego blocks and I can build structures with KNEX, but I can't exchange Lego blocks with KNEX parts. Helma, Great analogy! What if you have a nice set of customizable adaptors? With that, you can

Re: pros and cons of archetypes

2003-02-10 Thread Andrew Ho
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Archetypes are great to define very concise medical concepts like labtests and bloodpressure, but how to handle a description of a stomach ulcer done during an endoscopic examination? Should all this be structured beforehand? Helma, Obviously,

OIO and openEHR, was Re: future standard belongs to openEHR? wasRe: World Standards was: WorldVistA

2003-02-08 Thread Andrew Ho
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Robert Stark wrote: Andrew I don't want to cause a big argument here but after reviewing OIO, I feel that even though you have the actual software out for this project, you are lacking in some big areas, the main one being good documentation. Robert, Thanks for

GEHR aka openEHR archetypes vs. OIO forms, was Re: future standardbelongs to openEHR? was Re: World Standards was: WorldVistA

2003-02-08 Thread Andrew Ho
On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Robert Stark wrote: ... From what I have studied here, forms maybe a whole lot simplier than archetypes, but archtypes are more powerful than forms which is another reason why this takes time. Rob, Just so that we don't bore the list by entirely repeating what was already

Re: Number of Function Points in an EHR, was re: putting money infree software

2003-02-08 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Karsten Hilbert wrote: ... Can you help me to better understand what you mean by Unix way and how it differs from Big IT Way? No, I cannot. But I can try to explain myself better :-) Dave and Karsten, If I am not mistaken, UNIX was designed exactly as a reaction to the

can non-free software do that? was RE: Greenbelt, MD meeting;VistA rollout plan template

2003-01-23 Thread Andrew Ho
On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Cecil O. Lynch, MD wrote: ... The biggest problem we face is not in developing a desktop EMR application that sits in every docs office, but in developing an application that can seamlessly send that data from the office ... Cecil, There are many in the free-software

Re: Exhibitor Opportunity

2003-01-09 Thread Andrew Ho
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Pat Evans wrote: ... The Summer Institute for Nursing Informatics will be held in Baltimore, MD In July of 2003. The cost for a basic vendor set up is $475, with some additional costs for electrical and internet etc. Pat, I am not familiar with the meeting, how many

Kenneth Kizer, Re: re code languages

2003-01-07 Thread Andrew Ho
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, John Gage wrote: ... It is very interesting to see Kizer on the board of directors of Medsphere. He is definitely a mover and shaker. ... John, Wow, I didn't know Kizer is with Medsphere Systems Corp.! That's pretty big news! from

Re: Beyond VistA, was Re: Sherlock Holmes

2003-01-06 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Adrian Midgley wrote: Have you ever tried to export data stored in VistA? http://www.hardhats.org/tools/extract/data_extractors.html looks to me as though someone has given it serious thought. Adrian, After reviewing the data_extractors howto above, would you agree

Alternatives to VistA? Re: Beyond VistA, was Re: Sherlock Holmes

2003-01-06 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, John Gage wrote: But what are the alternatives? John, There are indeed many alternatives. Some are proprietary and others involve other compromises. VistA, like all medical applications, has flaws. Other alternatives also have flaws - perhaps different flaws. ...

Re: No software license - data base in hardware

2002-12-20 Thread Andrew Ho
On 20 Dec 2002, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: ... In this case they are clearly bundling the cost of whatever SW development there was in the hardware cost...but its the no software message that is interesting...the next best thing is free software Joseph, The critical feature of free software

openEHR transactions, workflows, Samson Tu, was Re: openEHR/GEHRarchetypes and OIO workflows, was Re: New presentation available

2002-12-07 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Thomas Beale wrote: ... Transactions are just an abstraction in the reference model. To get a feel for how we see the general model of an EHR, see the EHR Reference Model spec, and also the Common Reference Model spec. They describe the semantics of change control. Thomas,

Re: openEHR transactions, workflows, Samson Tu, was Re: openEHR/GEHRarchetypes and OIO workflows, was Re: New presentation available

2002-12-07 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Eric Browne wrote: ... There is a huge leap in functionality in moving from a passive recording system to an active workflow management system. Eric, I don't understand what you mean by a passive recording system. All information systems describe information processing

openEHR/GEHR archetypes and OIO workflows, was Re: New presentationavailable

2002-12-05 Thread Andrew Ho
Thomas, Thanks for making your presentation available! I especially enjoyed the first part where you described how things would ideally work by 2010. As you know, there are many parallels between GEHR/openEHR archetypes and OIO forms. As we have begun to build workflows authoring and

Re: Where does open source software typically come from, was Re:reportfrom OSHCA 2002 meeting

2002-11-25 Thread Andrew Ho
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: ... IBM releases its development tool kit as open sourceas you have noted...Apache and the Linux Kernel are not applications like a hospital information system Joseph, It seems that you missed my point, which is: Where does open source

data aggregation, Re: Analysis and Requirements Document - QuickQuack

2002-11-25 Thread Andrew Ho
On 25 Nov 2002, Heitzso wrote: ... Our branch needs to query and report against distributed data sources, Heitzso, There have been many attempts to solve this problem. Depending on your relationship with the data source sites and what you need from them, different solutions come to mind. My

Re: compulsion? was Re: report from OSHCA 2002 meeting

2002-11-25 Thread Andrew Ho
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Tim Churches wrote: ... it makes sense for all publically-funded software development to be open-sourced Tim, Where would you draw the line? When the State of California buys 2000 licenses for the infamous Oracle DBMS, does that constitute providing public funding for the

creation of data dictionary, was Re: GnuMed's unique contributionrelative to other projects, Re: report from OSHCA 2002 meeting

2002-11-25 Thread Andrew Ho
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Adrian Midgley wrote: On Monday 25 November 2002 06:00, you wrote: What compromises for expediency are present in OIO? Glad you asked :-). We have been discussing OIO's database schema over the last week or so. The main thrust of the discussion surrounds OIO's use

GnuMed's unique contribution relative to other projects, Re: reportfrom OSHCA 2002 meeting

2002-11-24 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Adrian Midgley wrote: ... if we compromise for expediency then we will at least know where we compromised and why. What compromise for expediency did TkFP and OSCAR make? Hi Adrian, I asked you to give support for your statement that seemed to suggest that GnuMed

defining the problem well, was Re: report from OSHCA 2002 meeting

2002-11-24 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Adrian Midgley wrote: ... One difference - Gary reviewed specific existing systems for their utility. He did not just propose to create a laundry list of requirements. Gary has a nice position in that the requirements in theatre and peri-operatively are more clearly

Re: Updating agenda for OSHCA.

2002-11-06 Thread Andrew Ho
Infrastructure for Outcomes www.TxOutcome.Org On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Tim Cook wrote: Andrew Ho wrote: Hi Jon, I don't have the requisite privileges to edit the agenda either. Joseph Dal Molin or Tim Cook should be able to help. .. Dear Mr. Ho, I would like to edit Dr. Stanley

Re: AMIA/open source.

2002-10-04 Thread Andrew Ho
Which two are you referring to? On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Ignacio Valdes wrote: I've checked the schedule for the November AMIA 2002 conference. It lists 2 software presentations that use open source: http://www.amia.org/2002online/s32.htm Other than that, only the student working group is having

Re: AMIA/open source.

2002-10-04 Thread Andrew Ho
, Feedback, Evaluation, and Response project based on the distributed, se-cure, OpenEMed infrastructure. Best regards, Andrew --- Andrew P. Ho, M.D. OIO: Open Infrastructure for Outcomes www.TxOutcome.Org On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Ignacio Valdes wrote: Andrew Ho wrote: Which two are you referring

Re: Accessing Data in VistA and the Distributed Health Record

2002-08-10 Thread Andrew Ho
On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, K.S. Bhaskar wrote: ... Look at http://bengal.missouri.edu/~smithab/CECS383_Term_Project.html for an XML interface to Fileman. Bhaskar, Thanks! It appears to allow retrieving data from Fileman using XML. However, does it allow inserting data into Fileman? Is this XML-query

Re: Vista Reference Models ; migration; future-proofing

2002-08-10 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sat, 10 Aug 2002, Adrian Midgley wrote: I like the concept of re-factoring, where one takes an existing program and leaves the user interface essentially the same, retains the API and the rest of the black box characteristics, but rewrites the innards in whatever fashion is most

Re: Accessing Data in VistA and the Distributed Health Record:Re:Medsphere

2002-08-09 Thread Andrew Ho
On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: Harold, VistA is well equipped to address the points you raise partly because of the power of MUMPS..it also dances well with XML Hi Joseph, Could you give more information or URL that points to how Vista dances with XML? All I can find is this

Re: Output reports

2002-07-18 Thread Andrew Ho
On Thu, 18 Jul 2002, Chris Fraser wrote: Hi Andrew, Just so the list is clear what I am trying to get at with output reports (-in a format available and understandable a Local health care committee-whose members may have had little formal education, poor numeracy or literacy skills- that

Re: Output reports

2002-07-18 Thread Andrew Ho
On Thu, 18 Jul 2002, Chris Fraser wrote: ... I have put up a screenshot on http://www.littlefish.com.au/lfproject/images/outputstats Chris, Your screenshot says: Enter the number below the appropriate symbol... In my reply, I assumed that this is an example of an output report, not data

openEHR vs. GEHR vs. OIO, was Re: Archetypes and ontologies?

2002-06-24 Thread Andrew Ho
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Thomas Beale wrote: ... in this sense, template is the usual word, but we consciously avoided this because archetypes are constraint models, not just cookie cutters - that is, two pieces of structured data which look quite different can in fact conform to the same

Re: Archetypes and ontologies?

2002-06-23 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, Eric Browne wrote: ... In order to more clearly discuss these concepts, it would be nice if someone could come up with a name for instance of archetype Eric, GEHR archetype = OIO form instance of GEHR archetype = a completed OIO form Hope that helps, :-) Andrew ---

customizable vs. fixed schema, was Re: FUPI :-), was Re: new subject

2002-05-15 Thread Andrew Ho
On Wed, 15 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too agree FUPI needs some tweaking and evaluations before we can as a group or in groups utilize it as a successful construct. Alan, The trade-off between fixed vs. flexible schema is the same whether we are talking about personal identifiers

[OT?] OSCAR impressions, was Re: OSCAR update, was Re: Medical opensource in Malaysia

2002-05-03 Thread Andrew Ho
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Dr. David H Chan wrote: ... It's not a toy. Hi David, Indeed, OSCAR is not meant to be a toy. Similar to many projects represented on this mailing list, it shall have its deserving place. ;-) I would love to hear from some of you who would bother to load up IE6 and give

Re: Medical open source in Malaysia

2002-04-30 Thread Andrew Ho
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Daniel L. Johnson, MD wrote: Michael Tiemann, an alert fellow (CTO at Red Hat), sent me this link telling of a Malaysian effort to create an open source EMR. ... http://star-techcentral.com/tech/story.asp?file=/2002/4/26/technology/26clinicsec=technology Thanks for the

Re: database schema, was Re: LinuDent and tk_fp and odontolinux

2002-04-21 Thread Andrew Ho
[This discussion started on the Debian-Med list with copy to the GnuMed List. I am moving the main thread to the OpenHealth list since it is off-topic for Debian-Med.] On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Christian Heller wrote: [Andrew] I urge you to read Thomas Beale's excellent paper:

client-side digital rights management and open-content pharmacopia,was RE: commercial exploitation of open source

2002-03-11 Thread Andrew Ho
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Pocock, Bruce-Robert wrote: From: Matias Klein ... algorithms within a secure run-time (i.e. something like a java application server). These wrapper classes can handle the authentication, data access, and encryption/decryption. ... is run a debugger (or closely

Re: Linux doc

2002-02-06 Thread Andrew Ho
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Christian Heller wrote: ... I just think that LinuxDoc-Med is at least the 4th list of projects/links Christian, I too, have struggled to understand this situation (being one of the perpetrators). I don't think it is necessarily all bad to have 4 or even 40 project

Re: Linux doc

2002-02-06 Thread Andrew Ho
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Andrew Ho wrote: If Gerardo or anyone is willing to download the content from the OIO Library's projects/documents database as an XML file and merge them into LinuxDoc or other place, that will be great. Alternatively

Re: Linux doc

2002-02-06 Thread Andrew Ho
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... In addition, I am thinking of actually adding a HOWTO to the linuxDoc. I am thinking of using Freepm.org's software and documentating how to install it. What do you think? Dude! You should be asking Tim Cook, the FreePM guy. :-) But since you

Re: Linux doc

2002-02-05 Thread Andrew Ho
, 5 Feb 2002, Andrew Ho wrote: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 13:46:01 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux doc Where is it? Please give URL :-) Andrew --- Andrew P. Ho, M.D. On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am

OSHCA history and future, was Re: HL7

2002-01-18 Thread Andrew Ho
Wow, this sounds like official OSHCA business so I think it is best to carry on the discussion in full view of OSHCA members and supporters. I am guessing that's why I was invited to monitor this thread :-). On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Brian Bray wrote: Joseph Dal Molin a écrit : The list of

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