Re: OIO API (was Re: Global PID and VISA type numbering system)

2004-03-15 Thread Elpidio Latorilla
Hi Tim, Dr. Ho, the discussion is very interesting. My personal opinion: a human user has intelligence. an application has a program. regards, elpidio On Sunday 14 March 2004 17:15, Andrew Ho wrote: What's the difference between an application talking to OIO vs. a human user? :-)

Re: MIT's Double-Secret Hidden Agenda

2004-03-15 Thread Wayne Wilson
some threads related around the MIT effort: MIT created the OKI project, which is intended to create a set of API's for the technology behind the open course ware project. This was to lead to two reference implementations of learning managment software. Meanwhile, at the University of

Re: OIO API (was Re: Global PID and VISA type numbering system)

2004-03-14 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sat, 14 Mar 2004, Tim Churches wrote: On Sun, 2004-03-14 at 04:51, Andrew Ho wrote: To render an OIO form for data collection - http://ip_address_to_server/OIO/forms/fillout_form?skin=pink_interfacept=4973form=Prognotes_v0 Two quick questions: Does this always create a new form

Re: OIO API (was Re: Global PID and VISA type numbering system)

2004-03-14 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Elpidio Latorilla wrote: ... But my original query was based on my wish to have a behind-the-scene-app-to-app dialog. Elpidio, What's the difference between an application talking to OIO vs. a human user? :-) ... If I create an interface that wants to get a set of

Re: OIO API (was Re: Global PID and VISA type numbering system)

2004-03-14 Thread Elpidio Latorilla
Hi Dr. Ho, thanks a lot for the explanations. I will try to see what resources are needed to implement an interface. Best regards, elpidio On Sunday 14 March 2004 11:18, Andrew Ho wrote: Elpidio, What's the difference between an application talking to OIO vs. a human user? :-) I hope

Re: OIO API (was Re: Global PID and VISA type numbering system)

2004-03-14 Thread Tim Churches
On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 06:18, Andrew Ho wrote: On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Elpidio Latorilla wrote: ... But my original query was based on my wish to have a behind-the-scene-app-to-app dialog. Elpidio, What's the difference between an application talking to OIO vs. a human user? :-)

Re: OIO API (was Re: Global PID and VISA type numbering system)

2004-03-14 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sun, 15 Mar 2004, Tim Churches wrote: On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 06:18, Andrew Ho wrote: On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Elpidio Latorilla wrote: ... But my original query was based on my wish to have a behind-the-scene-app-to-app dialog. Elpidio, What's the difference between an

Re: Re: OIO API (was Re: Global PID and VISA type numbering system)

2004-03-14 Thread Tim Churches
Andrew Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2004, Tim Churches wrote: On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 06:18, Andrew Ho wrote: On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Elpidio Latorilla wrote: ... But my original query was based on my wish to have a behind-the-scene-app-to-app dialog. Elpidio,

Re: [Care2002-developers] Global PID and VISA type numbering system

2004-03-09 Thread Horst Herb
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 00:19, J. Antas wrote: How is that for a start? Does it seem pragmatic enough? No. You mentioned the Norwegian system as one that works well. It does indeed. On e of the reasons is that even first yea children can remember their ID number, no need to write it down - it is

NHS and FLOSS dead? Re: call and wiki for Anaesthesia system

2004-03-09 Thread Wayne Wilson
Adrian Midgley wrote: You might like to look at this http://aninfosys.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl This is another is what I would call a grass roots movement to better clinical information systems. I wonder if you could provide an updated assessement on how the grass roots movements and FLOSS

Re: NHS and FLOSS dead? Re: call and wiki for Anaesthesia system

2004-03-09 Thread Adrian Midgley
On Tuesday 09 March 2004 15:40, Wayne Wilson wrote: I wonder if you could provide an updated assessement on how the grass roots movements and FLOSS are faring under the new NHS spending programme. Not flavour of the month. OTOH, all projects except the national one (NPfIT) have essentially

The rewards of contributing to the OpenSource Community

2004-03-09 Thread Steven . Tomlinson
http://www.linuxrouter.org/ Steven B. Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pacific Telehealth and Technology Hui www.PacificHui.org Tomlinson, Steven B.vcf Tomlinson, Steven B.vcf Description: Binary data

RE: The rewards of contributing to the OpenSource Community

2004-03-09 Thread Steven . Tomlinson
What I find interesting about the LRP experience is that many, if not most, of the SOHO Firewall/Router devices out there are based on this guy's code. It's ironic that millions of these devices have been sold, but the developer who not dreamed it up but was actually able to create the code, has

Re: The rewards of contributing to the OpenSource Community

2004-03-09 Thread Horst Herb
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no mechanism to get paid for his brilliant Intellectual Property which he neglected to protect, because he released his product as Open Source. The Nonsense. 1.) Intellectual property is a dehumanizing construct which I put into the same

Are we aware of this new OSS PMS ?

2004-03-09 Thread Karsten Hilbert
http://openpms.sourceforge.net/ It's got several overlappings: billing FreeB TkFP practice management TORCH FreeMED GnuMed TkFP Java: Res Medicinae (?) And countless others I forgot. Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD 4537 78B9 A9F9 E407 1346

Re: The rewards of contributing to the OpenSource Community

2004-03-09 Thread Andrew Ho
On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.linuxrouter.org/ Steven, It is far too simplistic to attribute the demise of LRP to the open source community. If anyone is interested in an autopsy, the Slashdot discussion back in June 2003 is a must-read:

giving up, was RE: The rewards of contributing to the OpenSource Community

2004-03-09 Thread Andrew Ho
On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... guy's code. It's ironic that millions of these devices have been sold, but the developer has to give up the development of software because he doesn't make any money at it. Steven, Dave Cinege did not have to give up the development. He made

RE: The rewards of contributing to the OpenSource Community

2004-03-09 Thread Tomlinson, Steven B
The whole thing proves to me the utter folly of giving away your I.P., if you have the skill and ability to write useful code. He should never had released the code which he developed from the sweat of his brow. Those in a position to do so have now profited from his hard work and he has nothing

RE: The rewards of contributing to the OpenSource Community

2004-03-09 Thread Tomlinson, Steven B
Our fundamental viewpoints are so disparate that we could not even begin to engage in a meaningful discourse regarding this issue. Steven B. Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pacific Telehealth and Technology Hui www.PacificHui.org -Original Message- From: Horst Herb [mailto:[EMAIL

intellectual property, was Re: The rewards of contributing to the OpenSource Community

2004-03-09 Thread Andrew Ho
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Horst Herb wrote: ... 1.) Intellectual property is a dehumanizing construct Horst, Dehumanizing or not, intellectual property happens to be an important artifact for much of the Westernized societies. ... There is no evolution of knowledge if knowledge is not shared

RE: The rewards of contributing to the OpenSource Community

2004-03-09 Thread Andrew Ho
On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Tomlinson, Steven B wrote: The whole thing proves to me the utter folly of giving away your I.P., Steven, Even if the only goal in life is to die with the most gold pieces under one's name, I would still disagree with your statement. Folly? Even Microsoft gives away IP

Re: NHS and FLOSS dead? Re: call and wiki for Anaesthesia system

2004-03-09 Thread Bruce Slater
Does anyone know the name of the IDX Microsoft entangled software of which you speak? Both IDX and iSoft deliver Microsoft based (entangled would be a better word) client/server records systems and CMWHealth as part of the National Spine program will integrate local records into a

Re: [Care2002-developers] Global PID and VISA type numbering system

2004-03-09 Thread J. Antas
Elpidio Latorilla wrote: About the PID concept, also named MPI, the following was taken from the openhealth list: State of the art may be in the eye of the beholder, but we have a component out of which an MPI can be built. It is an implementation of the Person Identification Service (PIDS)

Re: Re: Date fields: command syntax: unify?

2004-03-08 Thread Tim Churches
On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 08:09, Tim Churches wrote: Hmmm, that means moving the date parsing into Javascript as well. Here is a good place to start (try the demo): http://simon.incutio.com/archive/2003/10/06/betterDateInput Shouldn't be too hard to add Adrian's idea of date manipulation commands

call and wiki for Anaesthesia system

2004-03-08 Thread Adrian Midgley
You might like to look at this http://aninfosys.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl -- Adrian Midgley (Linux desktop) GP, Exeter http://www.defoam.net/

Finnish Gov report on Open Source

2004-03-08 Thread J. Antas
I would like to draw your attention to the report: RECOMMENDATION ON THE OPENNESS OF THE CODE AND INTERFACES OF STATE INFORMATION SYSTEMS It is short, pragmatic and was published by the Ministry of Finance, Finland. Taken from it: 1. About FLOSS(*) developers (in page 14): Their age is

Re: Funding from the market was: single model, was Re: Care2x classtree and archetypes and shared data models

2004-03-03 Thread Tim Cook
On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 05:02, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: ~ natural selection can often be uncomfortable and in some cases extremely painful (when you don't survive)... but for it to be more intelligent you need open critical peer review Ok..the openEHR documents are available for review.

Re: single model, was Re: Care2x classtree and archetypes and shared data models

2004-03-02 Thread Wayne Wilson
J. Antas wrote: ... I must confess, I had a hard time trying to create a user model of it... and I gave up. Either it is because I am not a native english speaker and I cannot fully understand some of the concepts beneath it, or it is because my own neural network was not able to catch it. I

Re: single model, was Re: Care2x classtree and archetypes and shared data models

2004-03-02 Thread Thomas Beale
Wayne Wilson wrote: J. Antas wrote: ... I must confess, I had a hard time trying to create a user model of it... and I gave up. Either it is because I am not a native english speaker and I cannot fully understand some of the concepts beneath it, or it is because my own neural network was not

Re: single model, was Re: Care2x classtree and archetypes and shared data models

2004-03-02 Thread Adrian Midgley
I'm finding it hard to pick through the data models. What I'm looking for are small areas where it is sensible to steal the archetypes as the basic design, but which are small enough that the extra initial work of doing it so formally is not a big burden. Possibly a video or animation with

Re: single model, was Re: Care2x classtree and archetypes and shared data models

2004-03-02 Thread Tim Churches
On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 03:04, Thomas Beale wrote: I have to admit that it is only now that we have begun to write primers of various kinds to help understanding - they will start to appear on the web. But in the end, nothing substitutes for presentations and interactive communication...

OpenEHR status, was Re: single model, was Re: Care2x classtree and archetypes and shared data models

2004-03-02 Thread Andrew Ho
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Thomas Beale wrote: ... There are implementations going ahead in Australia, UK, US, Germany, and under consideration in Netherlands. But a large part of the work is designing the archetypes and templates for it. Thomas, What is the current situation with regards to

LiveOpenEHR, was Re: single model, was Re: Care2x classtree and archetypes and shared data models

2004-03-02 Thread Andrew Ho
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Wayne Wilson wrote: ... I had a similar situation a few years ago when the OMG Health SIG was working on what became the COAS interface. I could not understand the GEHR model that was being presented. ... I really do believe that this kind of thinking is only able to be

Re: OpenEHR status, was Re: single model, was Re: Care2x classtree and archetypes and shared data models

2004-03-02 Thread Thomas Beale
Andrew Ho wrote: On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Thomas Beale wrote: ... There are implementations going ahead in Australia, UK, US, Germany, and under consideration in Netherlands. But a large part of the work is designing the archetypes and templates for it. Thomas, What is the current situation

Re: single model, was Re: Care2x classtree and archetypes and shared data models

2004-03-02 Thread Thomas Beale
Tim Churches wrote: On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 03:04, Thomas Beale wrote: I have to admit that it is only now that we have begun to write primers of various kinds to help understanding - they will start to appear on the web. But in the end, nothing substitutes for presentations and interactive

Re: Re: single model, was Re: Care2x classtree and archetypes and shared data models

2004-03-02 Thread Tim Churches
Thomas Beale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: published evaluations are hard to come by; there are several incarnations of GEHR which had (and still have) commercial success; evaluations of the work we did in Australia do have reports associated with them, which the commonwealth owns, and we are

Re: OpenEHR status, was Re: single model, was Re: Care2x classtree and archetypes and shared data models

2004-03-02 Thread Andrew Ho
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Thomas Beale wrote: ... What is the current situation with regards to software that support the creation and use of OpenEHR archetypes and templates? I should point out that there is a difference between software that companies and other organsiations create and

Re: Eric Raymond on interfaces

2004-03-01 Thread denny adelman
On 1 Mar 2004, at 16:07, Wayne Brandes wrote: Mr Raymond's views in this essay are as shortsighted as those he's accusing. He complains that foss programmers have the hubris to assume that the instructions they write are understandable to themselves and therefore must be understandable to

Re: Eric Raymond on interfaces

2004-03-01 Thread Wayne Wilson
Bruce Slater wrote: Also on an unrelated topic can anyone explain why many posting to openhealth arrive with the text only visible as an attachment? Is there a setting in outlook express that would automatically open the attachment so I could read it without excess clicks? My guess is that my

Re: Eric Raymond on interfaces

2004-03-01 Thread Tim Cook
On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 09:09, Wayne Wilson wrote: -- Wayne Wilson An attachment containing my pgp-signature is included. But now of course you must have an alternate sig line since your pgp-signature is no longer included. ;-) Cheers, Tim

Re: Eric Raymond on interfaces

2004-03-01 Thread Wayne Wilson
Wayne Brandes wrote: But Mr Raymond is far from a non-techy by almost any definition. If instructions were written to his level there would still be a vastly greater pool of less experienced computer users who would still not be able to understand them. Until foss software becomes usable by

Re: Eric Raymond on interfaces

2004-03-01 Thread Wayne Wilson
Tim Cook wrote: On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 09:09, Wayne Wilson wrote: -- Wayne Wilson An attachment containing my pgp-signature is included. But now of course you must have an alternate sig line since your pgp-signature is no longer included. ;-) Another thing the mailer must do eh? Actually,

Re: Eric Raymond on interfaces

2004-03-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Wayne, Would like to add to your response the need for non-computer literate Healthcare Providers, Patients, Payers, Regulators and others who would benefit from mechanisms to convey information to computer-literate personnel that could in turn be translated into meaningful, precise,

Re: single model, was Re: Care2x classtree and archetypes and shared data models

2004-03-01 Thread Thomas Beale
Andrew's initial response to this (this is care2x's data model; why should we favour it as a global data model over any other) is about right. Care2x has built a single-level model to make their system work, just like every other system builder - and that's fine. You can see that it's

Re: single model, was Re: Care2x classtree and archetypes and shared data models

2004-03-01 Thread J. Antas
Thomas Beale wrote: Others here and elsewhere of course have thought about the problem (for many years) of making data models that really do work for all of the domain, Rationally I do agree with you. I am sure that they are better models. But my problem in the first place was: How are they

Re: single model, was Re: Care2x classtree and archetypes and shared data models

2004-03-01 Thread Thomas Beale
J. Antas wrote: I did not included it because, I must confess, I had a hard time trying to create a user model of it... and I gave up. Either it is because I am not a native english speaker and I cannot fully understand some of the concepts beneath it, or it is because my own neural network

Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread J. Antas
Horst Herb wrote: Not a matter of believing. We know from available evidence that there are some domains where private enterprise always delivers inferior outcome as compared to *equally funded* public undertakings: research, education and health. That is also my feeling, but up until now I was

alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Andrew Ho
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, denny adelman wrote: ... I found myself wondering what alchemy would bring the open source community into legitimate competition for such large projects. Denny, This is a great question that actually has already been answered. The answer is contained in the history of

Re: alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Tim Churches
On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 05:51, Andrew Ho wrote: On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, denny adelman wrote: ... I found myself wondering what alchemy would bring the open source community into legitimate competition for such large projects. Denny, This is a great question that actually has already been

Re: alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Andrew Ho
On Mon, 24 Feb 2004, Tim Churches wrote: ... matter of pure practicality - in order to undertake really complex projects, you need a team of people who can immerse themselves in the project, ... Tim, There is no debate that people are needed. However, how the team come together and operate

Re: Re: alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Tim Churches
Andrew Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft provides open-source software through Windows XP, for example: ... Does that mean that the answer is a null set, or that you forgot to list the open source software which Microsoft provides through Windows XP? Tim C

resend, Re: alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Andrew Ho
For some reason, it appears that a support.microsoft.com URL was censored and did not reach Tim. Here it is again (repeated 3x): 1. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/Q306/8/19.ASP 2.

Re: resend, Re: alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Michael D. Weisner
Tim Churches wrote: Ah hah! The URLs have been mysteriously moved to the bottom of your message - see below. I found this quite odd. I received both of Andrew's postings with the URL links positioned as he had intended. Sometimes I am just fascinated that we are not driven absolutely mad

Re: Re: resend, Re: alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Tim Churches
Tim Churches [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some reason, it appears that a support.microsoft.com URL was censored and did not reach Tim. Here it is again (repeated 3x): 1. 2. 3. Ah hah! The URLs have been mysteriously moved to the

Re: resend, Re: alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Tim Churches
Andrew Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some reason, it appears that a support.microsoft.com URL was censored and did not reach Tim. Here it is again (repeated 3x): 1. 2. 3. Ah hah! The URLs have been mysteriously moved to the bottom of your message - see below. I had a quick look

Re: alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Andrew Ho
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Tim Churches wrote: ... I had a quick look at the firt of thoose URLs and it is not immediately apparent what its relevance is, ... Can you give us some hints? Tim, The URL points to Microsoft's Windows XP copyright disclosure that mentions inclusion of open-source

Microsoft as open-source software provider, Re: alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Andrew Ho
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Tim Churches wrote: ... OK, I see what you are referring to now - the licenses for BSD material from the Regents of the Uni of California etc at the end of the document. But surely that is an example of Microsoft making use of other party's open source code, Tim, What

Re: Microsoft as open-source software provider, Re: alchemy of open-source projects, was Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-23 Thread Tim Churches
Andrew Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Tim Churches wrote: ... OK, I see what you are referring to now - the licenses for BSD material from the Regents of the Uni of California etc at the end of the document. But surely that is an example of Microsoft making use of

Economic trend - MS variegation against market force

2004-02-21 Thread Adrian Midgley
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8209-1009195,00.html They have missed out Thailand, but I suppose that could at a stretch be regarded as only an announced plan - to offer cheap Thai Windows rather than an actual _offer_. Commentary: In order to preserve the appearance of a

Re: Economic trend - MS variegation against market force

2004-02-21 Thread Bruce Slater
snip Historical footnote: One of the ways Microsoft stuffed Word Perfect was by producing a single version where WP Corp had to produce multiple ones /snip could you expand ? not sure I follow Bruce

FLOSS from US Dept of Labor

2004-02-20 Thread Tim Churches
An interesting and potentially useful project (for health) in its own right - initial version only runs under Linux, and it is built with Apache, Python, Zope, Aspell - but also a wonderful example of a govt agency using FLOSS not just to reduce their costs, but also to empower their own

Re: From Sweden: Open source in developing countries

2004-02-20 Thread Richard Schilling
I peeked at this very quickly. Extremely nice work, here. I get hammered a lot for having standardized, very low cost hourly rates - people laugh, but as this paper points out, open source services must above all be affordable to the developing economies. That's the motivation behind an

eStore.OIO, was Re: FOSS and cost of development, was Re: Interesting article: no n-profit and for-profit

2004-02-20 Thread Andrew Ho
On Fri, 21 Feb 2004, Tim Churches wrote: On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 09:58, Andrew Ho wrote: 1) show OIO used for 3 different applications (clinical, research, eCommerce) What was the address of the OIO e-commerce site again? From memory it sold little LED light thingies. Tim, It

Re: CoreFLS program at VA Hospital

2004-02-20 Thread Richard Schilling
On 2004.02.19 08:19 Ignacio Valdes wrote: As I wrote on LMN: the usual smells of health-IT failure: mandate from above what technology will be used, knee-jerk move towards proprietary software and massive expenditure followed by abysmal failure. I can concieve of some solid business cases

Re: eStore.OIO, was Re: FOSS and cost of development, was Re: Interesting article: no n-profit and for-profit

2004-02-20 Thread Tim Churches
On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 11:36, Andrew Ho wrote: On Fri, 21 Feb 2004, Tim Churches wrote: On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 09:58, Andrew Ho wrote: 1) show OIO used for 3 different applications (clinical, research, eCommerce) What was the address of the OIO e-commerce site again? From

Re: eStore.OIO, was Re: FOSS and cost of development, was Re: Interesting article: no n-profit and for-profit

2004-02-20 Thread Andrew Ho
On Fri, 21 Feb 2004, Tim Churches wrote: ... Thanks. Like the US Dept of Labor WorkForce Connections project, this is a nice (meaning innocuous) example of how FLOSS work in one domain can benefit entirely different domains of endeavour. Tim, For software generator R+D projects like OIO,

Re: From Sweden: Open source in developing countries

2004-02-19 Thread Nandalal Gunaratne
Hi Tim, Thanks for the article. I am very much aware of the position of OSS in Sri Lanka, and I feel that it is time to push the concept of FOSS as the e-government and e-Lanka initiatives are to be implemented soon. The SL government has signed an MOU with Microsoft Corporation and the

Re: From Sweden: Open source in developing countries

2004-02-19 Thread Tim Churches
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 20:18, Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: Sri Lanka also has very lax laws relating to the use of software and therefore has become a paradise for pirated software. One can buy Windows XP and Office XP porfessional for less than US$ 2 and use it! Under such a scenario OSS makes

Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-19 Thread denny adelman
On 18 Feb 2004, at 22:52, Horst Herb wrote: The difference is that one attempts to work for the greater good (but not necessarily sacrifice itself in that process, even FOSS developers have to eat), while the other attempts to maximise profit for itself (and solely for itself) *regardless*

Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-19 Thread Horst Herb
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:56, denny adelman wrote: There are some people here (I am one) who believe in the life-style model of self-employment (risk and adventure) and Commerce (I make it, you want it, we reach a fair deal, thank you's all around, we stay in Who said I disagree? I *am*

Re: Interesting article: non-profit and for-profit

2004-02-19 Thread denny adelman
That's the difference. Time is a limited resource, that costs - knowledge is unlimited, not countable, invaluable and hence no price tag attached. Acquiring knowledge costs time, hence hiring my skills is expensive. But once I completed some work, and I have been paid for my time, I would

Re: Interesting article on UN World Summit on the Information Society...

2004-02-18 Thread Tim Churches
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 06:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When addressing the need for global organizations that will raise the participation and well-being of less-privileged global communities it might be more efficient to leave the 'for-profit' persons/organizations to their own activities

RE: Interesting Interview

2004-02-18 Thread Tim Churches
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 07:09, Smith, Todd wrote: Natural Language processing is very hard to do and without some breakthroughs in AI unlikely to produce the results requested. Yes indeed. It is now quite easy to get computers to intelligently manipulate natural language, but we are still a

Re: people vs. free vs. proprietary robots, was Re: Interesting Interview

2004-02-18 Thread Tim Churches
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 07:28, Andrew Ho wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, Wayne Wilson wrote: ... But if it is, then I suspect we can all be replaced by robots. Wayne, Since this is one of the most common response after I give an OIO talk or demo, I have been giving this some thought. Andrew,

Re: Interesting Interview

2004-02-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Wayne, My interpretation of your concerns is that the world has multiple groups of Clinicians distributed throughout with differing Healthcare, culture and Patient communities, plus they may not all speak English or have a 'good' command of the language. Language specialist have considered

Re: Interesting article on UN World Summit on the Information Society...

2004-02-18 Thread Dr Molly Cheah
The best approach is a NGO for a worldwide IS with appropriate connections, donors and legality, e.g., capable of establishing and maintaining appropriate Intellectual Property rights, a substitute to the for-profit products and services. Sure beats jurisdictions where legislation can be based

Re: IS this a topic for this list or not?

2004-02-18 Thread Horst Herb
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:55, Wayne Wilson wrote: Does open source provide a way for the western worlds programmers to deal with IT oursourcing? Of course it does. Outsourcing is a tool used almost exlusively by large corporations. Large corporations cannot survive without foul tricks like

Re: Interesting article on UN World Summit on the Information Society...

2004-02-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Tim, Thanks for the response. Comments in text. -Thomas Clark Tim Churches wrote: On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 05:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Churches wrote: ...and the US State Dept justification for the torpedoing of any mention of the potential role of FOSS in addressing global

Re: Interesting article on UN World Summit on the Information Society...

2004-02-18 Thread Horst Herb
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 06:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A 'non-profit' person/organization will ask 'How can I be of assistance?'; a 'for-profit' person/organization will ask 'Can you pay for my time and effort?' I believe you got this wrong. Non-profit entity will ask 'How can I be of assistance?

Re: Interesting article on UN World Summit on the Information Society...

2004-02-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Molly, Thanks for the post and 'http://www.iosn.net/'. I hope that the people there can benefit substantially from its activities. Microsoft's donation should help them achieve some goals. Regards! -Thomas Clark Dr Molly Cheah wrote: The best approach is a NGO for a worldwide IS with

Re: Interesting article on UN World Summit on the Information Society...

2004-02-18 Thread Tim Churches
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 09:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Molly, Thanks for the post and 'http://www.iosn.net/'. I hope that the people there can benefit substantially from its activities. Microsoft's donation should help them achieve some goals. By them you are presumably referring to

Global Open-Source Healthcare - Future

2004-02-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi All, A note about simple economics. A viable approach worldwide is to support people attempting to help themselves. This applies to Healthcare. A recent documentary about Viet Nam showed that since the end of the war in the delta the government and farmers have developed their

Re: Interesting article on UN World Summit on the Information Society...

2004-02-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Horst, Good point! Regards! -Thomas Clark Horst Herb wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 06:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A 'non-profit' person/organization will ask 'How can I be of assistance?'; a 'for-profit' person/organization will ask 'Can you pay for my time and effort?' I believe you

From Sweden: Open source in developing countries

2004-02-18 Thread Tim Churches
This report, commissioned by the Swedish govt development agency (and referenced by the IOSN site) is useful: http://www.sida.se/Sida/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1250a=23955 Nothing startling, but a nice review of the background and an examination of open source business models in poor countries, plus

CoreFLS program at VA Hospital

2004-02-18 Thread Kantor, Gary
This brief story - http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/7983667.htm - recounts the apparent failure of a new $450m application at a VA Hospital. It sounds like an Enterprise Resource Planning app. Do any of our VA-affiliated members know how this fits with VistA/CPRS? Gary Kantor The

new lists etc

2004-02-13 Thread Thomas Beale
Can someone undertake to post a message with a REALLY OBVIOUS subject when the list-decider group figures out what list we should end up using, or else do some sort of automatic resubscribe? Like most people I don't have the time to read all those posts about possible alternative lists...there

sheep still need charter, was Re: new lists etc

2004-02-13 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004, Thomas Beale wrote: ... (not generally known as a sheep, but happy to be treated like one in this instance...) Let's move on and agree to be sheep then: 1) pick 3 people who will manage the list for us 2) agree that these 3 people will decide how/who should host the mailing

Re: sheep still need charter, was Re: new lists etc

2004-02-13 Thread Michael D. Weisner
I, too, am another sheep heard from. Andrew, can we reorder your list to #2, #3, #1 so that we may agree before picking them? I must add that as sheep, all 3 items appear to be unnecessary. Do they pick themselves? Mike - Original Message - From: Andrew Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: new lists etc

2004-02-13 Thread Adrian Midgley
On Friday 13 February 2004 14:44, Thomas Beale wrote: Can someone undertake to post a message with a REALLY OBVIOUS subject when the list-decider group figures out what list we should end up using, or else do some sort of automatic resubscribe? I undertake to do so. If anyone wants to email

Re: sheep still need charter, was Re: new lists etc

2004-02-13 Thread HO,ANDREW
Quoting Michael D. Weisner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I, too, am another sheep heard from. Andrew, can we reorder your list to #2, #3, #1 so that we may agree before picking them? Mike, You are right. It should be: 1) agree that 3 individuals will decide how/who should host the mailing list

Re: List name

2004-02-13 Thread Andrew Ho
On Fri, 14 Feb 2004, Tim Churches wrote: ... Joseph and I both like the utter simplicity of [EMAIL PROTECTED] That nicely includes the concepts of discussion, announcements of new projects and releases, events etc Any other reactions, suggestions? Tim, Integrating OSHCA with OpenHealth

Re: List name

2004-02-13 Thread Joseph Dal Molin
On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 17:22, Andrew Ho wrote: Integrating OSHCA with OpenHealth is a wonderful idea that I fully support, except for the quagmire that currently surrounds the transfer of OSHCA.Org domain to OSHCA's current interim board. The origins of the quagmire OSHCA is experiencing

Re: List name

2004-02-13 Thread Tim Churches
On Sat, 2004-02-14 at 09:22, Andrew Ho wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2004, Tim Churches wrote: ... Joseph and I both like the utter simplicity of [EMAIL PROTECTED] That nicely includes the concepts of discussion, announcements of new projects and releases, events etc Any other reactions,

Re: [OSHCA] Re: List name

2004-02-13 Thread Tim Cook
On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 15:19, Tim Churches wrote: Herewith the current state of affairs, with apologies for cross-posting: a) Some time ago (late 2002, early 2003?) a motion was put to the Openhealth list that OSHCA should seek incorporation as a non-profit organisation. The rationale was

Re: Perspective

2004-02-12 Thread Wayne Wilson
Andrew Ho wrote: On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Wayne Wilson wrote: ... However, the solution could also be put into another context you bring up, that of a standardized framework in which inter-operable components are developed (my paraphrase). IN that sense, the problem is that the openhealth list is not

Re: changing OpenHealth to service the lurkers

2004-02-12 Thread Lorie Obal
I'm also a lurker and a graduate student in IS. I monitor the list to learn about IS needs and issues in the healthcare community. There are interesting possibilities for dissertation topics here. I've found the list to be very informative. -Lorie Lorie Obal [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---Begin

Re: Perspective

2004-02-12 Thread Tim Churches
On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 05:04, Andrew Ho wrote: Maybe that's why we disagree. Maybe you and Adrian want OpenHealth to be a showcase to decision makers for how we all work nicely together - and airing disagreements just aren't nice by your definition. I also think that Openhealth, or

tolerating differences in opinion, was Re: Perspective

2004-02-12 Thread Andrew Ho
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Wayne Wilson wrote: ... You have now alerted the list many times to my supposed desire to hijack the list for my own ego purposes. Wayne, I am sorry that you interpreted my comments in that way. For the record, I don't know whether Wayne Wilson intents to hijack

Re: changing OpenHealth to service the lurkers

2004-02-12 Thread Andres Paglayan
ditto, Lorie Obal wrote: I'm also a lurker and a graduate student in IS. I monitor the list to learn about IS needs and issues in the healthcare community. There are interesting possibilities for dissertation topics here. I've found the list to be very informative. -Lorie Lorie Obal [EMAIL

FOSS Roadmap for Health RE: Perspective

2004-02-12 Thread Joseph Dal Molin
Tim, This a great idea which was also the essence of a lively discussion that Etienne Saliez's presentation sparked at the OSHCA meeting in Geneva. I haven't received Etienne's excellent presentation yet...will email him directly and remind him to send it to us so we can post it. Will expand on

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