Re: Question about OIO (was Hello list)

2006-03-11 Thread Andrew Ho
On 3/10/06, Brian Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Denny and Aldric for the warm greeting.

 There have certainly been some interesting discussions while I was gone.
 (I'm just up to the end of 2003).

Hi Brian,

Welcome back!

 I have a question for Andrew Ho. In the discussion about Vista/OIO
 complementarity, you discussed the concept that OIO let's users safely
 customize forms.

Each form has an unique form name and version number within each OIO
server instance:
For example, Psychiatric Progress Note version 1. Customizing a form
could mean 1) creating a new version using the same form name, or 2)
copying some of the question items into a new form with a different
form name, or 3) changing an existing form version, which requires
safe migration of existing data.

 I'm curious how this is done, particularly related to
 the completeness and semantics of data elements.

Completeness can never be assured without significantly restricting
customizability. For example, deleting the Gender question from an
existing form.

Semantic connections between forms (and versions) require
translators that are separately defined as necessary.

 I know I should RTFM, but a discussion might be more
 interesting...especially if some others with flexible systems can chime in.

Sounds good!

Best regards,

Andrew
--
Andrew P. Ho, M.D.
OIO: Open Infrastructure for Outcomes
www.TxOutcome.Org



Re: Question about OIO (was Hello list)

2006-03-11 Thread Nandalal Gunaratne
Andrew Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Customizability is the main strength of OIO. It's main weakness is its installation! :-) The problem is the psycopgDA adaptor and the permissions having to be changed to postgres user. Can this compromise security?  Zope 3 works with python 2.4 and the psycopgDA 2.x version. This version of psycopgDA is more pythonish and the installation is far more transparent as a result. One day if OIO can migrate to zope 3 as a zxcm file, this may solve the problem!  Nandalal   On 3/10/06, Brian Bray  wrote: Thanks Denny and Aldric for the warm greeting. There have certainly been some interesting discussions while I was gone. (I'm just up to the end of 2003).Hi Brian,Welcome back! I hav
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 question for Andrew Ho. In the discussion about Vista/OIO complementarity, you discussed the concept that OIO let's users safely customize forms.Each form has an unique form name and version number within each OIOserver instance:For example, "Psychiatric Progress Note version 1". Customizing a formcould mean 1) creating a new version using the same form name, or 2)copying some of the question items into a new form with a differentform name, or 3) changing an existing form version, which requiressafe migration of existing data. I'm curious how this is done, particularly related to the completeness and semantics of data elements.Completeness can never be assured without significantly restrictingcustomizability. For example, deleting the "Gender" question from anexisting form.Semantic connections between forms (and versions) require"translators" that are separately defined as
 necessary. I know I should RTFM, but a discussion might be more interesting...especially if some others with flexible systems can chime in.Sounds good!Best regards,Andrew--Andrew P. Ho, M.D.OIO: Open Infrastructure for Outcomeswww.TxOutcome.Org
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Re: Question about OIO (was Hello list)

2006-03-11 Thread Brian Bray

Andrew Ho a écrit :

Completeness can never be assured without significantly restricting
customizability. For example, deleting the Gender question from an
existing form.

  
In certain contexts, some limits on customizability are needed for 
safety reasons.  Take a case worker with limited screen size in the 
field -- there should be no customization that eliminates or reduces to 
illegibility an alert field.


More suble is the question of  Work flow vs thought flow (I'm only 
guessing what that means, but it sounds cool) and whether 
customizability has a medical impact.


Since posing the question, I came across:

http://journalsonline.tandf.co.uk/(dgdmykz4q25ielnzs4drx1q1)/app/home/contribution.asp?referrer=parentbackto=issue,3,6;journal,1,27;linkingpublicationresults,1:102479,1


-Brian



Question about OIO (was Hello list)

2006-03-10 Thread Brian Bray

Thanks Denny and Aldric for the warm greeting.

There have certainly been some interesting discussions while I was gone. 
(I'm just up to the end of 2003).


I have a question for Andrew Ho. In the discussion about Vista/OIO 
complementarity, you discussed the concept that OIO let's users safely 
customize forms. I'm curious how this is done, particularly related to 
the completeness and semantics of data elements.


I know I should RTFM, but a discussion might be more 
interesting...especially if some others with flexible systems can chime in.


Thanks.

-Brian