Re: [Openpbx-dev] more names
Leo Ann Boon wrote: CtRiX wrote: Terry Moore-Read wrote: After asking to quote a bit better... So drop GNU to avoid confusion with FSF Projects but keep weaver so it can be confused with an Adobe product ? It's probably best to keep away from derivations of trademarked names all together. Weaver has nothing to do with Dreamweaver and related trademarks as well as Point has nothing to do with powerpoint and related trademarks as well as Fox has nothing to do with firefox or firebird and related trademarks. We are not dropping GNU because it creates confusion, but because we have nothing to do with them. The comparison with Adobe is silly because we are not renaming openpbx to AdobePBX. How about VoxToaster? The toaster part seems OK. There used to be various toaster products from various companies, so I don't think anyone has a hold on that. I'm not so happy with the vox part. Its too voice specific. Steve ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev
Re: [Openpbx-dev] more names
Hi ?PBX-Fans, here are some other (crazy) name ideas: PBmiX, PBmiXer or PBXer (Privacy Branche eXchange mixer) multiPBX infinityPBX iPBX, i-PBX, I-pbx, Ipbx (infinity, intelligent, innovative PBX) xPBX ultraPBX PBXline Regards Bastian Terry Moore-Read schrieb: Callmunger ? :-) Leo Ann Boon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/08/07 5:36 PM CtRiX wrote: Terry Moore-Read wrote: After asking to quote a bit better... So drop GNU to avoid confusion with FSF Projects but keep weaver so it can be confused with an Adobe product ? It's probably best to keep away from derivations of trademarked names all together. Weaver has nothing to do with Dreamweaver and related trademarks as well as Point has nothing to do with powerpoint and related trademarks as well as Fox has nothing to do with firefox or firebird and related trademarks. We are not dropping GNU because it creates confusion, but because we have nothing to do with them. The comparison with Adobe is silly because we are not renaming openpbx to AdobePBX. How about VoxToaster? Leo ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lukins Annis, P.S. NOTICE: This email may contain confidential or privileged material, and is intended solely for use by the above referenced recipient. Any review, copying, printing, disclosure, distri- bution, or any other use, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the recipient, and believe that you have received this in error, please notify the sender and delete the copy you received. Thank You! ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev Virus checked by G DATA AntiVirusKit Version: AVK 17.3136 from 08.03.2007 Virus news: www.antiviruslab.com ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev
Re: [Openpbx-dev] more names
or ^ beau hargis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/09/07 4:48 PM And because I am not seeing much in the way of actual development discussion, I am just going to put this here because everyone seems to be paying attention. My thought is... Since Asterisk and an asterisk... OpenPBX is based on Asterisk, so what about: Solidus Baring that, I think I am going to dig up the code for that random online-name generator, get some of the local brew and see what I can come up with. On Sat, 2007-03-10 at 01:18 +0100, Bastian Schern wrote: Hi ?PBX-Fans, here are some other (crazy) name ideas: PBmiX, PBmiXer or PBXer (Privacy Branche eXchange mixer) multiPBX infinityPBX iPBX, i-PBX, I-pbx, Ipbx (infinity, intelligent, innovative PBX) xPBX ultraPBX PBXline Regards Bastian Terry Moore-Read schrieb: Callmunger ? :-) Leo Ann Boon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/08/07 5:36 PM CtRiX wrote: Terry Moore-Read wrote: After asking to quote a bit better... So drop GNU to avoid confusion with FSF Projects but keep weaver so it can be confused with an Adobe product ? It's probably best to keep away from derivations of trademarked names all together. Weaver has nothing to do with Dreamweaver and related trademarks as well as Point has nothing to do with powerpoint and related trademarks as well as Fox has nothing to do with firefox or firebird and related trademarks. We are not dropping GNU because it creates confusion, but because we have nothing to do with them. The comparison with Adobe is silly because we are not renaming openpbx to AdobePBX. How about VoxToaster? Leo ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lukins Annis, P.S. NOTICE: This email may contain confidential or privileged material, and is intended solely for use by the above referenced recipient. Any review, copying, printing, disclosure, distri- bution, or any other use, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the recipient, and believe that you have received this in error, please notify the sender and delete the copy you received. Thank You! ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev Virus checked by G DATA AntiVirusKit Version: AVK 17.3136 from 08.03.2007 Virus news: www.antiviruslab.com ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lukins Annis, P.S. NOTICE: This email may contain confidential or privileged material, and is intended solely for use by the above referenced recipient. Any review, copying, printing, disclosure, distri- bution, or any other use, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the recipient, and believe that you have received this in error, please notify the sender and delete the copy you received. Thank You! ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev
Re: [Openpbx-dev] more names
or ^ beau hargis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/09/07 4:48 PM And because I am not seeing much in the way of actual development discussion, I am just going to put this here because everyone seems to be paying attention. My thought is... Since Asterisk and an asterisk... OpenPBX is based on Asterisk, so what about: Solidus Baring that, I think I am going to dig up the code for that random online-name generator, get some of the local brew and see what I can come up with. On Sat, 2007-03-10 at 01:18 +0100, Bastian Schern wrote: Hi ?PBX-Fans, here are some other (crazy) name ideas: PBmiX, PBmiXer or PBXer (Privacy Branche eXchange mixer) multiPBX infinityPBX iPBX, i-PBX, I-pbx, Ipbx (infinity, intelligent, innovative PBX) xPBX ultraPBX PBXline Regards Bastian Terry Moore-Read schrieb: Callmunger ? :-) Leo Ann Boon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/08/07 5:36 PM CtRiX wrote: Terry Moore-Read wrote: After asking to quote a bit better... So drop GNU to avoid confusion with FSF Projects but keep weaver so it can be confused with an Adobe product ? It's probably best to keep away from derivations of trademarked names all together. Weaver has nothing to do with Dreamweaver and related trademarks as well as Point has nothing to do with powerpoint and related trademarks as well as Fox has nothing to do with firefox or firebird and related trademarks. We are not dropping GNU because it creates confusion, but because we have nothing to do with them. The comparison with Adobe is silly because we are not renaming openpbx to AdobePBX. How about VoxToaster? Leo ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lukins Annis, P.S. NOTICE: This email may contain confidential or privileged material, and is intended solely for use by the above referenced recipient. Any review, copying, printing, disclosure, distri- bution, or any other use, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the recipient, and believe that you have received this in error, please notify the sender and delete the copy you received. Thank You! ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev Virus checked by G DATA AntiVirusKit Version: AVK 17.3136 from 08.03.2007 Virus news: www.antiviruslab.com ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lukins Annis, P.S. NOTICE: This email may contain confidential or privileged material, and is intended solely for use by the above referenced recipient. Any review, copying, printing, disclosure, distri- bution, or any other use, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the recipient, and believe that you have received this in error, please notify the sender and delete the copy you received. Thank You! ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev
Re: [Openpbx-dev] more names - why?
Hi David, David Sugar wrote: Steve, perhaps you could explain for me why they would wish to change one already confusing and contested moniker for another... While I have not followed it closely, and I certainly have no issue with any of the work the ?formerly? openpbx (the one that is not the voicetronix openpbx) project does, I fail to see how it would further serve their purpose to be confused instead with GNU Telephony, our PBX work, etc. I only very recently heard about this, but I was hoping you could explain this to me and how this could happen. We are quite happy working in freedom on free telephony software, services, and component libraries in GNU Telephony, many of which are maintained as official GNU packages. While we certainly do not wish to involve ourselves in other projects uninvited, when some group chooses or appears to confusingly represent themselves as us, I feel I must respond to that in some manner. At the very least, it would seem to me to be simple common courtesy to have asked how we might feel about it first. I'm sorry this has happened. Names were supposed to be vetted for basic suitability before being put forward for voting - e.g. a web search for who else might be using the name. The gnu in gnupbx clearly makes this unacceptable, without any need for a web search, and it should never have reached this stage. Steve ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev
Re: [Openpbx-dev] more names - why?
Steve Underwood wrote: Hi David, David Sugar wrote: Steve, perhaps you could explain for me why they would wish to change one already confusing and contested moniker for another... I'm sorry this has happened. ... I'm sorry too. And i agree with Steve. Max ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev
Re: [Openpbx-dev] more names - why?
David Sugar wrote: Steve, perhaps you could explain for me why they would wish to change one already confusing and contested moniker for another... I'm sorry this has happened. ... I'm sorry too. And i agree with Steve. Max The name will be withdrawn. -Nate ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev
Re: [Openpbx-dev] more names
So drop GNU to avoid confusion with FSF Projects but keep weaver so it can be confused with an Adobe product ? It's probably best to keep away from derivations of trademarked names all together. Ariel Monaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/07/07 8:24 PM Steve, Did you need to be so rude? It was only a comment. I am truly sorry. You're right, remove GnuPBX from the poll, we'll vote your name. Let it be callweaver! Regards, Ariel - Original Message - From: Steve Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OpenPBX.org Developers Mailing List openpbx- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [Openpbx- dev] more names Ariel Monaco wrote: - Original Message - From: Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OpenPBX.org Developers Mailing List openpbx- [EMAIL PROTECTED]; OpenPBX.org Users Mailing List - Non- Commercial Discussion openpbx- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:01 AM Subject: [Openpbx- dev] more names hi all after discussing the name suggestion 'gnupbx' on IRC, it was noted, correctly, that this should not be regarded an option, since openpbx is not part of FSF. It would be like naming the project AsteriskPBX or ApachePBX. What do we need to be part of the FSF? Is this really relevant? Highly relevant. Apart from any legal issues, like trademarks, its damned rude to just try to associate what you do with something successful, by choosing a related name. Secondly, if would want to put PBX in the name you are very myopic. So gnupbx is composed of two parts, neither of which is a good match for what we want. I suggest we drop that name and let the voting go on with the other candidates Why drop a name people is voting? They may be voting, but are they thinking? I think too many of those voting have no stake in choosing a good name. They are just drive by pollers. Talking to other serious contributors, we'll just walk away if something as poorly considered as gnupbx is chosen. Its that simple. Steve ___ Openpbx- dev mailing list Openpbx- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx- dev ___ Openpbx- dev mailing list Openpbx- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx- dev -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lukins Annis, P.S. NOTICE: This email may contain confidential or privileged material, and is intended solely for use by the above referenced recipient. Any review, copying, printing, disclosure, distri- bution, or any other use, is strictly prohibited. If you are not the recipient, and believe that you have received this in error, please notify the sender and delete the copy you received. Thank You! ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev
Re: [Openpbx-dev] more names
While you don't nessecarily have to be part of FSF for the GNU tag, the GNU trademark is arguably owned by the FSF, using that in a name such as GNUPBX w/out explicit permission of the FSF would probably be a bad thing. Also, there are other things to consider there, like what happens when the coders, are not directly involved w/ the entity that holds the TM to the name? (now I am *NOT* saying that would be a problem nessecarily w/ the FSF as I do Support the FSF, I am trying to say that there should be careful consideration on that area due to what we have seen with wireshark (formerly ethereal) and the like K From: Ariel Monaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: OpenPBX.org Developers Mailing List openpbx-dev@openpbx.org Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:14:57 -0300 To: OpenPBX.org Developers Mailing List openpbx-dev@openpbx.org Subject: Re: [Openpbx-dev] more names - Original Message - From: Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OpenPBX.org Developers Mailing List openpbx-dev@openpbx.org; OpenPBX.org Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion openpbx-users@openpbx.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:01 AM Subject: [Openpbx-dev] more names hi all after discussing the name suggestion 'gnupbx' on IRC, it was noted, correctly, that this should not be regarded an option, since openpbx is not part of FSF. It would be like naming the project AsteriskPBX or ApachePBX. What do we need to be part of the FSF? Is this really relevant? I suggest we drop that name and let the voting go on with the other candidates Why drop a name people is voting? best regards roy ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev
Re: [Openpbx-dev] more names
Ariel Monaco wrote: - Original Message - From: Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OpenPBX.org Developers Mailing List openpbx-dev@openpbx.org; OpenPBX.org Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion openpbx-users@openpbx.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:01 AM Subject: [Openpbx-dev] more names hi all after discussing the name suggestion 'gnupbx' on IRC, it was noted, correctly, that this should not be regarded an option, since openpbx is not part of FSF. It would be like naming the project AsteriskPBX or ApachePBX. What do we need to be part of the FSF? Is this really relevant? Highly relevant. Apart from any legal issues, like trademarks, its damned rude to just try to associate what you do with something successful, by choosing a related name. Secondly, if would want to put PBX in the name you are very myopic. So gnupbx is composed of two parts, neither of which is a good match for what we want. I suggest we drop that name and let the voting go on with the other candidates Why drop a name people is voting? They may be voting, but are they thinking? I think too many of those voting have no stake in choosing a good name. They are just drive by pollers. Talking to other serious contributors, we'll just walk away if something as poorly considered as gnupbx is chosen. Its that simple. Steve ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev
Re: [Openpbx-dev] more names
Steve, Did you need to be so rude? It was only a comment. I am truly sorry. You're right, remove GnuPBX from the poll, we'll vote your name. Let it be callweaver! Regards, Ariel - Original Message - From: Steve Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OpenPBX.org Developers Mailing List openpbx-dev@openpbx.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [Openpbx-dev] more names Ariel Monaco wrote: - Original Message - From: Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OpenPBX.org Developers Mailing List openpbx-dev@openpbx.org; OpenPBX.org Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion openpbx-users@openpbx.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:01 AM Subject: [Openpbx-dev] more names hi all after discussing the name suggestion 'gnupbx' on IRC, it was noted, correctly, that this should not be regarded an option, since openpbx is not part of FSF. It would be like naming the project AsteriskPBX or ApachePBX. What do we need to be part of the FSF? Is this really relevant? Highly relevant. Apart from any legal issues, like trademarks, its damned rude to just try to associate what you do with something successful, by choosing a related name. Secondly, if would want to put PBX in the name you are very myopic. So gnupbx is composed of two parts, neither of which is a good match for what we want. I suggest we drop that name and let the voting go on with the other candidates Why drop a name people is voting? They may be voting, but are they thinking? I think too many of those voting have no stake in choosing a good name. They are just drive by pollers. Talking to other serious contributors, we'll just walk away if something as poorly considered as gnupbx is chosen. Its that simple. Steve ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev ___ Openpbx-dev mailing list Openpbx-dev@openpbx.org http://lists.openpbx.org/mailman/listinfo/openpbx-dev
