Re: [osol-discuss] How to compile libc or pthread ?

2010-11-25 Thread Alan Hargreaves
Surely DTrace would be a far better profiling option. Regards, Alan Hargreaves On 11/26/10 05:43, Afantee Lee wrote: Hi, Ian The reason I want to compile pthread model under libc is: I am doing a project, which requires profiling the timing information

Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

2010-08-02 Thread Alan Hargreaves - Principal Field Technologist
of people saying Someone should do this and Someone should do that; and decided to simply do something instead of complaining that someone else should do something? Alan Hargreaves (who really has no idea what they will be announcing) ___ opensolaris-discuss

Re: [osol-discuss] good news- opensolaris updated roadmap

2010-06-14 Thread Alan Hargreaves
and should have been flagged to management *WELL* before this kind of time. If you can provide me with evidence of such (eg a case number), I would be happy to investigate. I will take the absence of any such evidence to be confirmation that you are simply spreading FUD. Regards, Alan

Re: [osol-discuss] good news- opensolaris updated roadmap

2010-06-13 Thread Alan Hargreaves
pride in the work I do with Customer service, I can't help but take that statement personally and be terribly insulted by it. I think you need to back up that statement or retract it. Alan Hargreaves ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris

Re: [osol-discuss] Any idea of why snv 134 won't accept 'set brand=native' in zonezfg command?

2010-05-29 Thread Alan Hargreaves
The native brand does not exist in OpenSolaris. The brand you want is ipkg. Regards, Alan Hargreaves Alex Bisoyannis wrote: Native brands work only on normal Solaris, not OpenSolaris. On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Henry Pepper henryp...@gmail.com mailto:henryp...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [osol-discuss] Garrett D'Amore still at Oracle?

2010-05-02 Thread Alan Hargreaves
Title: signature There were some issues with the email servers over the weekend. Regards, Alan Hargreaves wrote: Is Garrett D'Amore still at Oracle? His mail post box is over flowing and I get a DISCARD from the mail server. Olga -- Alan Hargreaves

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

2010-04-22 Thread Alan Hargreaves
Responses inline: Svein Skogen wrote: On 22.04.2010 02:27, Alan Hargreaves wrote: You miss the point. This is a discussion list about OpenSolaris. Not about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about Solaris. Not about Solaris patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even without comment) would

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

2010-04-21 Thread Alan Hargreaves
of seeing it. Alan Hargreaves bsd wrote: I merely posted a link to an article and refrained from saying anything about Oracle. If I dared to say anyting about what I think about what Oracle has done so far regarding Solaris 10, patches, the plugin, and what I think they'll do with OpenSolaris

Re: [osol-discuss] toshiba laptops opensolaris preinstalled

2010-04-20 Thread Alan Hargreaves
wanted that message from their diagnostic before they would replace it. Regards, Alan Hargreaves Alan Steinberg wrote: Another alternative is to dual-boot, moving the current Windows aside with gparted (which is on the LiveCD), and installing OpenSolaris on a separate partition. -- Alan

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle products via IPS

2010-04-18 Thread Alan Hargreaves
One of the things that folks are going to have to get use to (that includes us new Oracle folks) is that Oracle generally does not talk about it's plans for commercial offerings before they actually announce product. Regards, Alan Hargreaves On 4/18/2010 6:45 PM, Bob Palowoda wrote: I have

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle products via IPS

2010-04-18 Thread Alan Hargreaves
until they make an announcement. No more, no less. There is nothing to read between the lines of what I said. Regards, Alan Hargreaves ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle products via IPS

2010-04-18 Thread Alan Hargreaves
On 4/18/2010 9:05 PM, Alan Hargreaves wrote: On 4/18/2010 8:12 PM, Bob Palowoda wrote: One of the things that folks are going to have to get use to (that includes us new Oracle folks) is that Oracle generally does not talk about it's plans for commercial offerings before they actually announce

Re: [osol-discuss] /bin/sh was Re: [osol-announce] No update on SXCE Build 79

2008-02-07 Thread Alan Hargreaves
. So far I have seen people proposing the change, but no volunteers to do this verification. It won't do itself folks. If we are going to do something, then we need to look at the *whole* job, not parts of it. Regards, Alan Hargreaves. Joerg Schilling wrote: Ignacio Marambio Catán [EMAIL

Re: [osol-discuss] Correlation of snv_66 to S10 u4

2008-01-01 Thread Alan Hargreaves
___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org I did the backport of the fix. It works for sparc but for somereason it's not working for x86 and I'm currently trying to work out why. alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http

Re: [osol-discuss] NSA has backdoors into Windows?

2008-01-01 Thread Alan Hargreaves
it yourself is simply insufficient. alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Staff Engineer (Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance) Systems Technical Support Centre Sun Microsystems ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] NSA has backdoors into Windows?

2008-01-01 Thread Alan Hargreaves
Alan Hargreaves wrote: Orvar Korvar wrote: I know Solaris 10 is closed source and OpenSolaris is not. I think it will be hard to review all code and compile it yourself to be sure against back doors. Just because you have the code, can read it, and compile

Re: [osol-discuss] Correlation of snv_66 to S10 u4

2008-01-01 Thread Alan Hargreaves
Alan Hargreaves wrote: Ray Clark wrote: What action should I take [1] To bring it to someone's attention, and [2] To get a working system in the near term. I am trying to migrate from Linux to Solaris, and frankly have not figured out they lay of the land yet. 6528189 consists of a cp

Re: [osol-discuss] How to pass kernel command line to solaris kernel?

2007-06-20 Thread Alan Hargreaves
to eithe rdo or find out and we might be able to help you better. Regards, Alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Staff Engineer (Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance) Systems Technical Support Centre Sun Microsystems ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing

Re: [osol-discuss] How to pass kernel command line to solaris kernel?

2007-06-20 Thread Alan Hargreaves
'1' should do it. alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Staff Engineer (Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance) Systems Technical Support Centre Sun Microsystems ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] What is the best way to deliver test bits?

2007-05-28 Thread Alan Hargreaves
that are already installed? Does anybody have a better idea? Brian Utterback ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Staff Engineer (Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance) Systems

Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?

2007-02-02 Thread Alan Hargreaves
Alan Hargreaves wrote: Dennis Clarke wrote: In this community project when someone says Rich they generally mean Rich Teer. Or, to be more honest, *I* instantly think Rich Teer. It is like, gee, let's go ask Rich and see what he thinks and then we call up Rich Teer and .. well ... see

Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?

2007-02-01 Thread Alan Hargreaves
and Hargreaves) who screw up the first name thing :-D alan -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Staff Engineer (Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance) Systems Technical Support Centre Sun Microsystems ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss

Re: [osol-discuss] Release of OS/Net B56 source ?

2007-01-23 Thread Alan Hargreaves
is that you can expect to see B56 on 2/2. Actually he was after the b56 source drop. I've got the encumbered bins ready, but Stevel has been a little busy to get the other deliverables ready, he suggested within a couple of days when I asked him about 12 hours ago. alan. -- Alan Hargreaves

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [i18n-discuss] Solaris G11N source code open sourced!

2006-12-26 Thread Alan Hargreaves
Pablo Costa wrote: Hi all, I just want to wish you and your family a merry christmas. Special thanks to Young and Jim for all support. Best Regards, Does this take us anywhere further to doign something useful with libc_i18n.a ? alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta

Re: [osol-discuss] Western Australia (Australia) Timezone...

2006-12-03 Thread Alan Hargreaves
David Lloyd wrote: Very soon now, WA in Australia will go into Daylight Savings - does anyone know if there's an update for the timezone files for this for Open Solaris? A putback went into Nevada for this today. By the way Very Soon = yesterday. alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: cross compiling and building with open tools only

2006-11-12 Thread Alan Hargreaves
paper entitled Reflections on Trusting Trust. It is an eye opener for those who believe that having the source is the be all and end all of trusting software. You can find a copy of the paper at http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta

Re: [osol-discuss] SXCR 51 delayed slightly

2006-10-29 Thread Alan Hargreaves
we're trying to encourage ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Staff Engineer (Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance) Systems Technical Support Centre Sun Microsystems

[osol-discuss] [Tonight - Updated Speakers] The Ninth meeting of the Sydney Open Solaris User Group

2006-09-20 Thread Alan Hargreaves
Date: Thursday, September 21 Time: 6:30pm Location: Sun Solution (formerly iForce) Centre. Ground floor 33 Berry St, North Sydney See http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/sosug for a link to a map. Speakers Alan Hargreaves Of non-debug builds, ZFS and BrandZ

[osol-discuss] The ninth meeting of the Sydney Open Solaris User Group

2006-09-18 Thread Alan Hargreaves
sure that we have someone near them to allow entry to the building. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Staff Engineer (Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance) Systems Technical Support Centre Sun Microsystems ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

[osol-discuss] Re: [osol-code] Re: on-closed bits suggestion

2006-09-15 Thread Alan Hargreaves
, is the only thing keeping me from keeping a home-build ON in my system -- I need the speed of a non-debug. Wonderful system though. -Mike -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Staff Engineer (Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance) Systems Technical Service Center Sun Microsystems

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Danese Cooper claims CDDL made incompatible with GPL on purpose

2006-09-05 Thread Alan Hargreaves
they lose your expertise on the toolkit. As regards to Danese's comments, They've been discussed quite sufficiently and that discussion is taking time from doing useful stuff. Let's get on with the useful stuff. alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Staff Engineer (Kernel

[osol-discuss] OK, let's not go down the path of character assassination

2006-09-05 Thread Alan Hargreaves
This thread is now starting down the path of character assassination and I *really* think that we don't want to head down that path. There be dragons. Can we now drop this particular direction on the thread? alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Staff Engineer (Kernel/VOSJEC

Re: [osol-discuss] sgen and other no_source stuff

2006-06-20 Thread Alan Hargreaves
Bonnie Corwin wrote: sgen an be available in the ON closed bins tarball - I thought it already was. I'll see what's up. Thanks. Bonnie As it's an area of code I have a current interest in, I can answer that pretty quickly. There is a nice long list of specific exclusions in the

Re: [osol-discuss] sgen and other no_source stuff

2006-06-20 Thread Alan Hargreaves
Mike Kupfer wrote: Alan == Alan Hargreaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alan Any changes made to Steve's current copy of bindrop will need to Alan be reflected in what I'm doing, so could I please be kept in the Alan loop? Is it time to put back those tools to the ON gate? mike I can give you

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Sun lost one of it's biggest and oldest x86

2006-06-06 Thread Alan Hargreaves
stays pretty much as it is now. Given that you will kind of be in the area, we'd love to see you down here to Jim. I'm sure we could work something out :) alan -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Staff Engineer (Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance) Product Technical Support (APAC) Sun

[osol-discuss] [Tuesday] The Seventh Meeting of the Sydney Open Solaris User Group

2006-05-19 Thread Alan Hargreaves
someone near them to allow entry to the building. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Staff Engineer (Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance) Product Technical Support (APAC) Sun Microsystems ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss

[osol-discuss] SOSUG#7 - DATE CHANGE

2006-05-16 Thread Alan Hargreaves
to have the full agenda ready by Friday at which time I'll post it to the lists. alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Staff Engineer (Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance) Product Technical Support (APAC) Sun Microsystems I went in the World's Greatest shave for Leukaemia. See http

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: SOSUG #7 - Call for speakers

2006-05-02 Thread Alan Hargreaves
to watch the match, this time it looks like the one of the presenters that we had in mind actually has tickets to the event. Does anoyone have strong feelings for or against Tuesday or Thursday in that week (I'd prefer Tuesday, but not by much). alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Propose removing [] prefixes in Subject

2006-05-01 Thread Alan Hargreaves
I've always filtered off Return-path. Pertty much every mailing list that I'm on sets this correctly. alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Staff Engineer (Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance) Product Technical Support (APAC) Sun Microsystems I'm going in the World's Greatest shave

[osol-discuss] SOSUG #7 - Call for speakers

2006-05-01 Thread Alan Hargreaves
alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Staff Engineer (Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance) Product Technical Support (APAC) Sun Microsystems I'm going in the World's Greatest shave for Leukaemia. See http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta?entry=raising_money_for_leukaemia_support

[osol-discuss] [Tonight!] The sixth meeting of the Sydney Open Solaris User Group

2006-04-25 Thread Alan Hargreaves
tonight! -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Staff Engineer (Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance) Product Technical Support (APAC) Sun Microsystems I'm going in the World's Greatest shave for Leukaemia. See http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta?entry=raising_money_for_leukaemia_support

[osol-discuss] [Tomorrow Night] The sixth meeting of the Sydney Open Solaris User Group

2006-04-24 Thread Alan Hargreaves
much anything you want to ask about OpenSolaris . Bill is an engineer in the ZFS team. It should be an interesting evening and we'd love to see a good turnout. Apologies for the lack of notice, things have been thrown together rather quickly. alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http

[osol-discuss] Re: [Tomorrow Night] The sixth meeting of the Sydney Open Solaris User Group

2006-04-24 Thread Alan Hargreaves
Alan Hargreaves wrote: Date: Wednesday, January 25 Of course that should have read Wednesday April 26. That's what I get for cut and pasting layouts. alan. Time: 6:30pm Location: Sun Solution (formally iForce) Centre. Ground floor 33 Berry St, North Sydney See http://opensolaris.org/os

Re: [osol-discuss] Proposal for new Community: Solaris Trusted Extensions

2006-04-15 Thread Alan Hargreaves
for this, the technology looks damned interesting. alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance Staff Engineer Product Technical Support (APAC) Sun Microsystems ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss

Re: [osol-discuss] Network Configuration Problem

2006-04-11 Thread Alan Hargreaves
Vincenzo Sciarra wrote: I have a problem with my network. I'll paste below : ** # host google.com google.com has address 64.233.167.99 # ping 64.233.167.99 64.233.167.99 is alive # ping google.com ping:

Re: [osol-discuss] Mount fat32 partition

2006-02-12 Thread Alan Hargreaves
anyone tell me how to mount a fat32 partition? This message posted from opensolaris.org Try using mount -F pcfs /dev/rdisk/(name of disk partition) /mount/fat32 Autofs is something else entirely. alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Staff Engineer (Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance

Re: [osol-discuss] 20060201 question

2006-02-04 Thread Alan Hargreaves
a full build. See Steve's blog at http://whacked.net/2006/02/03/nightly-20060201-delivered/ on this issue. He hopes to have something up to address this on Monday. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance Staff Engineer Product Technical Support (APAC) Sun

[osol-discuss] [Tonight!] The fifth meeting of the Sydney Open Solaris User Group

2006-01-24 Thread Alan Hargreaves
. I'll summarise how Zone Resource Controls currently work. When Brendan is not teaching Solaris topics, he spends time playing with DTrace and the DTrace toolkit. Alan Hargreaves If time permits Alan will speak briefly about Progress on the Non-debug build front. Since we

Re: [osol-discuss] Proposal: OpenSolaris Articles Project

2006-01-23 Thread Alan Hargreaves
need a list. How about [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's it. What do you think? Jim ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance Staff Engineer Product

Re: [osol-discuss] Reverting to old build: Solaris Express - Community Release

2006-01-18 Thread Alan Hargreaves
. I apologize for the inconvenience, and appreciate your understanding. Thanks, Karyn ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance Staff Engineer

Re: [osol-discuss] Please update 4113420 (request for ksh93 integration)

2006-01-09 Thread Alan Hargreaves
access (and apologies to the others who are also listening on this list), see CR 4771992. That's something that could stand some attention ... I would agree with you James. I think that the request mentioned in the evaluation needs to be revisted. alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http

[osol-discuss] Building an (almost completely) non-debug OpenSolaris

2005-12-20 Thread Alan Hargreaves
=building_an_almost_completely_non Have fun folks. alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance Staff Engineer Product Technical Support (APAC) Sun Microsystems ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss

[osol-discuss] SOSUG#4 videos available

2005-11-29 Thread Alan Hargreaves
James McPherson on ZFS and Bryan Cantrill on new stuff in DTrace. Currently only have WMV version 9 video, I'm working on DivX. See the blog for details, I need to get to bed. http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/tpenta?entry=sosug_4_videos_available alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: what is a door file ?

2005-11-13 Thread Alan Hargreaves
for a custoemr magazine a few years back. http://au.sun.com/news/onsun/2002-11/tech_tips.html alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance Staff Engineer Product Technical Support (APAC) Sun Microsystems

[osol-discuss] [Reminder] Sydney Open Solaris User Group meeting tonight

2005-10-17 Thread Alan Hargreaves
folks know that there are still places in available in the Tutorial that Bryan is running on Tuesday at the AUUG Conference. See http://www.auug.org.au for details. alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance Staff Engineer Product Technical Support (APAC) Sun

[osol-discuss] SOSUG#4 - Monday October 17

2005-10-10 Thread Alan Hargreaves
to the building. I am assured that there will be food/drink provided at some stage during the evening. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance Staff Engineer Product Technical Support (APAC) Sun Microsystems ___ opensolaris-discuss

Re: [osol-discuss] License Discuss List?

2005-09-13 Thread Alan Hargreaves - Product Technical Support (APAC)
could be seen to endorsong the flamewars that already occur. I don't think we want to be a part of that. alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance Engineer Product Technical Support (APAC) Sun Microsystems

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

2005-08-28 Thread Alan Hargreaves - Product Technical Support (APAC)
of getting that FAQ answer clarified? alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance Engineer Product Technical Support (APAC) Sun Microsystems ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Bug fix process overly burdonsome ?

2005-08-28 Thread Alan Hargreaves - Product Technical Support (APAC)
. This could be especially useful given how overburdoned the current sponsor team is with this and their other responsibilities. alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance Engineer Product Technical Support (APAC) Sun Microsystems

Re: [osol-discuss] No kernel source updates?

2005-08-25 Thread Alan Hargreaves - Product Technical Support (APAC)
that that email announcements for this sort of thing are useful), WITHOUT adding to the alreadey-too-busy osol-discuss. I would have thought that this would be the perfect thing to be delivered in an RSS feed. alan. -- Alan Hargreaves - http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta Kernel/VOSJEC/Performance

[osol-discuss] major shortcoming in community bug process

2005-08-21 Thread Alan Hargreaves - Product Technical Support (APAC)
of not doing it) to give out the name of the engineer. I believe that Karyn is going to put the two folks in touch, but let's be real here, Karym is a limited resource and shouldn't have to be doing this. We *need* to address this, I would argue, as a relatively high priority issue. alan. -- Alan

Re: [osol-discuss] major shortcoming in community bug process

2005-08-21 Thread Alan Hargreaves - Product Technical Support (APAC)
Alan Hargreaves - Product Technical Support (APAC) wrote: Just been having a discussion with a memober of the community (you know who you are; but no names, no pack drill) who logged a bug, had it updated by a sun engineer, but now has a problem because of a combination of the following two

[osol-discuss] Re: SOSUG#3 on Tuesday (tomorrow) night

2005-08-15 Thread Alan Hargreaves - Product Technical Support (APAC)
Of course the body shoudl agree with the subject. The meeting is on *Tuesday night* Alan. Alan Hargreaves - Product Technical Support (APAC) wrote: The Sydney Open Solaris User Group will be holding it's third meeting on Thursday night at the iForce Centre, 33 Berry St, North Sydney. Map

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris distributions and package managment

2005-08-04 Thread Alan Hargreaves - Product Technical Support (APAC)
Dave Miner wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: ... I thought we are still in hope that the SVr4 pkg system will become OpenSource soon. Let me provide an update. We who are responsible for the install and packaging code are just now beginning the diligence research required so that we can

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: build always uses the gcc

2005-07-07 Thread Alan Hargreaves - Product Technical Support (APAC)
Sunil wrote: why are closed bins available as debug mode only? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org It's something that I'm spending some time on. It's getting there,