Re: [openssl.org #3266] [PATCH] Add the SYSTEM cipher keyword

2014-03-31 Thread Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
On Thu, 2014-03-27 at 19:27 +0100, Dr. Stephen Henson wrote: I'd rather see the ability to add a new section openssl.cnf, like [ cipher-profile ] redhat-recommended = AES256-CGM-SHA384 and then you could do things like -ciphers profile@redhat-recommended:RC4-SHA128

Re: [openssl.org #3266] [PATCH] Add the SYSTEM cipher keyword

2014-03-31 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 02:13:22PM +0200, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: This looks indeed cleaner, but based on my understanding of openssl, I think the main issues with that, is (1) that applications may not call OPENSSL_config at all, Perhaps to deliberately isolate themselves from

Re: [openssl.org #3266] [PATCH] Add the SYSTEM cipher keyword

2014-03-31 Thread Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
On Mon, 2014-03-31 at 12:23 +, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: and (2) it is not easy to modify just a single section of that file with system scripts (especially since that file is expected to be modified manually by the administrator). This is likely a good thing. Once a default is set,

Re: [openssl.org #3266] [PATCH] Add the SYSTEM cipher keyword

2014-03-31 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 03:39:10PM +0200, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: This too feels like intrusive overreach. What problem are you trying to solve? The goal is to allow the configuration of the security level of applications centrally in a system. That is, to not require the

Re: [openssl.org #3266] [PATCH] Add the SYSTEM cipher keyword

2014-03-31 Thread Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
On Mon, 2014-03-31 at 13:55 +, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: This too feels like intrusive overreach. What problem are you trying to solve? The goal is to allow the configuration of the security level of applications centrally in a system. That is, to not require the administrator to

Re: [openssl.org #3266] [PATCH] Add the SYSTEM cipher keyword

2014-03-31 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Po, 2014-03-31 at 16:24 +0200, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: On Mon, 2014-03-31 at 13:55 +, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: This too feels like intrusive overreach. What problem are you trying to solve? The goal is to allow the configuration of the security level of applications

Re: [openssl.org #3266] [PATCH] Add the SYSTEM cipher keyword

2014-03-27 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 05:37:49PM +0100, Tomas Mraz via RT wrote: Can OpenSSL developers please at least say what they think about the acceptability of the SYSTEM keyword support in the cipher string? I'd like to add the support to Fedora openssl package but we would like to see it

RE: [openssl.org #3266] [PATCH] Add the SYSTEM cipher keyword

2014-03-27 Thread Salz, Rich
I am not an OpenSSL developer, but it seems to me that system default cipherlists are not a good idea. +1 I'd rather see the ability to add a new section openssl.cnf, like [ cipher-profile ] redhat-recommended = AES256-CGM-SHA384 and then you could do things like

Re: [openssl.org #3266] [PATCH] Add the SYSTEM cipher keyword

2014-03-27 Thread Dr. Stephen Henson
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014, Salz, Rich wrote: I am not an OpenSSL developer, but it seems to me that system default cipherlists are not a good idea. +1 I'd rather see the ability to add a new section openssl.cnf, like [ cipher-profile ] redhat-recommended = AES256-CGM-SHA384

Re: [openssl.org #3266] [PATCH] Add the SYSTEM cipher keyword

2014-03-27 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 05:20:06PM +, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: What would an O/S distribution do with SYSTEM that would make it better than DEFAULT or ALL? You really do not want to use DEFAULT. And some people even set it to ALL having no idea what that does. We either need sane defaults,

Re: [openssl.org #3266] [PATCH] Add the SYSTEM cipher keyword

2014-03-27 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 08:11:59PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 05:20:06PM +, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: What would an O/S distribution do with SYSTEM that would make it better than DEFAULT or ALL? You really do not want to use DEFAULT. And some people even set it

Re: [openssl.org #3266] [PATCH] Add the SYSTEM cipher keyword

2014-03-25 Thread Tomas Mraz via RT
On St, 2014-02-19 at 23:03 +0100, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos via RT wrote: This keyword allows a program to simply specify SYSTEM in its configuration file and the SSL cipher used will be determined at run-time from a system-specific file. The system default keywords can be extended by appending

[openssl.org #3266] [PATCH] Add the SYSTEM cipher keyword

2014-02-19 Thread Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos via RT
This keyword allows a program to simply specify SYSTEM in its configuration file and the SSL cipher used will be determined at run-time from a system-specific file. The system default keywords can be extended by appending any application-specific ciphers such as SYSTEM:PSK. Such a keyword allows