Oh I see.
OK == arbitrary private institutions with no representative or ideological
constraints other than the limit of the law. (And even then...)
Not OK == institutions that are (in theory at least) representative of
nations/countries/states and that are (in theory at least) accountable to
On 5/30/2014 11:03 PM, Geoffrey Thorpe wrote:
Oh I see.
OK == arbitrary private institutions with no representative or
ideological constraints other than the limit of the law. (And even then...)
More importantly: With an obvious self-interest in protecting themselves
against wiretapping
Walton
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 7:38 PM
To: OpenSSL Users List
Subject: Re: Platinum Sponsorship by Huawei
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Pierre DELAAGE delaage.pie...@free.fr
wrote:
...
The difference is important :
in an association, the openssl organization WOULD REQUIRE some
constraints
I am curious how you would reconcile your two insinuations;
1. that it is a political act to accept donations form a party that has a
particular nationality (or with this or that underlying ownership), even if
that party does so with explicit knowledge that a fundamental condition of
acceptance
On 5/30/2014 12:24 AM, Geoffrey Thorpe wrote:
...
The only way to to avoid any political overtones in such a situation (if
that really is your intention, because doing the right thing is not an
apolitical notion) is to blindly accept all comers or refuse all comers.
(Subject to the obvious
Dear Gentlemen,
I am taking this conversation not from the beginning, as it seems to be
now quite long.
Of course I understand various moral aspects of the discussion, no doubt
about that.
But I really think that Openssl acts as a kind of apolotical foundation,
and NOT as an association.
Dear Mr. Delaage,
You are getting things massively wrong, details inline.
On 5/30/2014 11:03 PM, Pierre DELAAGE wrote:
Dear Gentlemen,
I am taking this conversation not from the beginning, as it seems to be
now quite long.
Of course I understand various moral aspects of the discussion, no
Dear Mr Bohm,
Some answers in the text :
Le 30/05/2014 23:52, Jakob Bohm a écrit :
Dear Mr. Delaage,
You are getting things massively wrong, details inline.
On 5/30/2014 11:03 PM, Pierre DELAAGE wrote:
Dear Gentlemen,
I am taking this conversation not from the beginning, as it seems to be
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Pierre DELAAGE delaage.pie...@free.fr wrote:
...
The difference is important :
in an association, the openssl organization WOULD REQUIRE some
constraints on its MEMBERS.
We are discussing self-imposed constraints on the Foundation's
acceptance of funds from
On 05/29/2014 02:52 AM, Salz, Rich wrote:
Please don't feed the troll
--
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Akamai Technologies, Cambridge, MA
IM: rs...@jabber.me; Twitter: RichSalz
Being cynical is equal to being a troll?
The initial remarks made by an openssl representative was that that most
Frans,
I apologize. My posting was a mistake. (I meant to cancel my posting, but
instead my fingers hit control-return rather than escape.)
I am sorry that, on the basis of one posting, I called you a troll, or implied
that you had anything other than concern and interest in seeing the best
of people's perceptions when accepting
anything.
Nick
Original message
From: Salz, Rich rs...@akamai.com
Date:05-29-2014 07:02 (GMT-05:00)
To: openssl-users@openssl.org
Subject: RE: Platinum Sponsorship by Huawei
Frans,
I apologize. My posting was a mistake. (I meant
Hi,
Then again, many developers do have a social handicap - that's why
they are so good a developer.
that sweeping generalisation is probably worse than calling one person
a troll! ;-)
alan
__
OpenSSL Project
Sponsorship by Huawei
Frans,
I apologize. My posting was a mistake. (I meant to cancel my posting, but
instead my fingers hit control-return rather than escape.)
I am sorry that, on the basis of one posting, I called you a troll, or
implied that you had anything other than concern and interest
: Salz, Rich
Date:05-29-2014 07:02 (GMT-05:00)
To: openssl-users@openssl.org
Subject: RE: Platinum Sponsorship by Huawei
Frans,
I apologize. My posting was a mistake. (I meant to cancel my posting, but
instead my fingers hit control-return rather than escape.)
I am sorry that, on the basis
perceptions when accepting anything.
Original message
From: Salz, Rich
Date:05-29-2014 07:02 (GMT-05:00)
To: openssl-users@openssl.org
Subject: RE: Platinum Sponsorship by Huawei
Frans,
I apologize. My posting was a mistake. (I meant to cancel my posting, but
instead my
be mindful of
people's perceptions when accepting anything.
Nick
Original message
From: Salz, Rich __
Date:05-29-2014 07:02 (GMT-05:00)
To: openssl-users@openssl.org mailto:openssl-users@openssl.org
Subject: RE: Platinum Sponsorship by Huawei
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Frans de Boer fr...@fransdb.nl wrote:
...
Ok, I accept the above apologies as I just want to express my worries. Yes,
it was cynical - I used one line from Huwai, which triggered my response.
The initial comment from the OpenSSL spokesperson about the focused
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com wrote:
but let's say it's the government of North
Korea... Even if no strings, it would damage the perception people have of
OpenSSL just being associated with that entity. So, just be mindful of
people's perceptions when
+1 for working *sed* into everyday conversation.
Dustin
On May 29, 2014 5:49 PM, Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com
wrote:
but let's say it's the government of North
Korea... Even if no strings, it would damage the
I am pleased to announce Huawei (http://www.huawei.com/) as the second
Platinum Sponsor of the OpenSSL project.
In my discussions with them they noted their extensive use of OpenSSL in
many products that are sold globally and stated Whilst there has been a
little hiccup recently the good work of
On 05/28/2014 10:05 PM, Steve Marquess wrote:
Please accept our thanks as you have saved
us a lot of time and money
Yes, quite an understatement :\
Now a state sponsored company is sponsoring openssl.org? The bigger the
country, the higher the stakes and thus also the measures to safeguard
On 05/28/2014 05:18 PM, Frans de Boer wrote:
On 05/28/2014 10:05 PM, Steve Marquess wrote:
Please accept our thanks as you have saved
us a lot of time and money
Yes, quite an understatement :\
Now a state sponsored company is sponsoring openssl.org? The bigger the
country, the higher the
, 2014 6:26 PM
To: openssl-users@openssl.org
Subject: Re: Platinum Sponsorship by Huawei
On 05/28/2014 05:18 PM, Frans de Boer wrote:
On 05/28/2014 10:05 PM, Steve Marquess wrote:
Please accept our thanks as you have saved us a lot of time and money
Yes, quite an understatement :\
Now a state
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