Re: [openssl-users] mailing list registration renewal - clarify bounce errors

2016-11-08 Thread Richard Levitte 
In message <20161108.083722.982336643109774878.levi...@openssl.org> on Tue, 08 
Nov 2016 08:37:22 +0100 (CET), Richard Levitte  said:

levitte> In message 
 on Mon, 7 
Nov 2016 21:50:13 +0300, Dmitry Belyavsky  said:
levitte> 
levitte> beldmit> Hello Rich,
levitte> beldmit> 
levitte> beldmit> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Salz, Rich  
wrote:
levitte> beldmit> 
levitte> beldmit> > I can find no evidence of "excessive bounces .." so I 
am just
levitte> beldmit> asking here, is
levitte> beldmit> > this a standard clean up of the ML or have you really 
received
levitte> beldmit> excessive
levitte> beldmit> > bounces from my email address ?
levitte> beldmit> 
levitte> beldmit> The latter.
levitte> beldmit> 
levitte> beldmit> We have seen some more reports of this recently, and are
levitte> beldmit> increasing the logging to determine the cause. 
Interestingly, it's
levitte> beldmit> all from gmail.com addresses.
levitte> beldmit> 
levitte> beldmit> 
levitte> beldmit> I confirm the receiving the similar message.
levitte> 
levitte> The issue is called DMARC, and most certainly with a reject policy,
levitte> which basically tells recipients to reject messages that doesn't quite
levitte> appear to come from the originator.
levitte> 
levitte> This is problematic for mailing lists, that kind of act as a middle
levitte> man, and even moreso because rejections end up as bounces to the
levitte> mailing list software, which will end up disabling the bouncing
levitte> address.  So in the end, it becomes a story of how users from one
levitte> domain are capable of throw out everyone else that checks their DMARC
levitte> policy.
levitte> 
levitte> Last time we went through this, we ignored the problem, for reasons I
levitte> cannot remember now.  I'll have a closer look at what mailman can
levitte> offer and get back to you.

So, I changed this mailing list to munge the From: header of any
message coming from a domain that has a DMARC reject or quarantine
policy.  That should avoid any more silly bouncing of the sort we've
experienced.

Cheers,
Richard

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Re: [openssl-users] mailing list registration renewal - clarify bounce errors

2016-11-07 Thread Richard Levitte 
In message  
on Mon, 7 Nov 2016 21:50:13 +0300, Dmitry Belyavsky  said:

beldmit> Hello Rich,
beldmit> 
beldmit> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Salz, Rich  wrote:
beldmit> 
beldmit> > I can find no evidence of "excessive bounces .." so I am just
beldmit> asking here, is
beldmit> > this a standard clean up of the ML or have you really received
beldmit> excessive
beldmit> > bounces from my email address ?
beldmit> 
beldmit> The latter.
beldmit> 
beldmit> We have seen some more reports of this recently, and are
beldmit> increasing the logging to determine the cause. Interestingly, it's
beldmit> all from gmail.com addresses.
beldmit> 
beldmit> 
beldmit> I confirm the receiving the similar message.

The issue is called DMARC, and most certainly with a reject policy,
which basically tells recipients to reject messages that doesn't quite
appear to come from the originator.

This is problematic for mailing lists, that kind of act as a middle
man, and even moreso because rejections end up as bounces to the
mailing list software, which will end up disabling the bouncing
address.  So in the end, it becomes a story of how users from one
domain are capable of throw out everyone else that checks their DMARC
policy.

Last time we went through this, we ignored the problem, for reasons I
cannot remember now.  I'll have a closer look at what mailman can
offer and get back to you.

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Re: [openssl-users] mailing list registration renewal - clarify bounce errors

2016-11-07 Thread Dmitry Belyavsky 
Hello Rich,

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Salz, Rich  wrote:

> > I can find no evidence of "excessive bounces .." so I am just asking
> here, is
> > this a standard clean up of the ML or have you really received excessive
> > bounces from my email address ?
>
> The latter.
>
> We have seen some more reports of this recently, and are increasing the
> logging to determine the cause.  Interestingly, it's all from gmail.com
> addresses.
>

I confirm the receiving  the similar message.

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Re: [openssl-users] mailing list registration renewal - clarify bounce errors

2016-11-07 Thread Sec_Aficiondado 
Hi all,

Same here. I got the message but I see no evidence of issues in this email 
account.

I changed my password just in case anyway.

Thanks!

Sent from my mobile

> On Nov 7, 2016, at 12:40 PM, debbie10t  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 07/11/16 17:34, Salz, Rich wrote:
>>> I can find no evidence of "excessive bounces .." so I am just asking here, 
>>> is
>>> this a standard clean up of the ML or have you really received excessive
>>> bounces from my email address ?
>> 
>> The latter.
>> 
>> We have seen some more reports of this recently, and are increasing the 
>> logging to determine the cause.  Interestingly, it's all from gmail.com 
>> addresses.
>> 
> 
> Well, that is very interesting !  Would it be possible to forward me
> a copy of the headers showing a bounce from my account?  Perhaps I can
> help solve the problem.
> 
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Re: [openssl-users] mailing list registration renewal - clarify bounce errors

2016-11-07 Thread debbie10t 



On 07/11/16 17:34, Salz, Rich wrote:

I can find no evidence of "excessive bounces .." so I am just asking here, is
this a standard clean up of the ML or have you really received excessive
bounces from my email address ?


The latter.

We have seen some more reports of this recently, and are increasing the logging 
to determine the cause.  Interestingly, it's all from gmail.com addresses.



Well, that is very interesting !  Would it be possible to forward me
a copy of the headers showing a bounce from my account?  Perhaps I can
help solve the problem.

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Re: [openssl-users] mailing list registration renewal - clarify bounce errors

2016-11-07 Thread Salz, Rich 
> I can find no evidence of "excessive bounces .." so I am just asking here, is
> this a standard clean up of the ML or have you really received excessive
> bounces from my email address ?

The latter.

We have seen some more reports of this recently, and are increasing the logging 
to determine the cause.  Interestingly, it's all from gmail.com addresses.

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