Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-20 Thread Bryan D. Payne
+1 -bryan On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/18/2013 12:34 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: I have more of an issue with a project failing *after* becoming integrated than during incubation. That's why we have the incubation period to begin with. For the

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-19 Thread Sylvain Bauza
Le 18/12/2013 16:37, Steven Dake a écrit : In the early days of incubation requests, I got the distinct impression managers at companies believed that actually getting a project incubated in OpenStack was not possible, even though it was sparsely documented as an option. Maybe things are

[openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Thierry Carrez
Hi everyone, The TC meeting yesterday uncovered an interesting question which, so far, divided TC members. We require that projects have a number of different developers involved before they apply for incubation, mostly to raise the bus factor. But we also currently require some level of

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Sylvain Bauza
Le 18/12/2013 11:40, Thierry Carrez a écrit : I guess there are 3 options: 1. Require diversity for incubation, but find ways to bless or recommend projects pre-incubation so that this diversity can actually be achieved 2. Do not require diversity for incubation, but require it for graduation,

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 11:40:21AM +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, The TC meeting yesterday uncovered an interesting question which, so far, divided TC members. We require that projects have a number of different developers involved before they apply for incubation, mostly to

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Ian Wells
I think we're all happy that if a project *does* have a broad support base we're good; this is only the case for projects in one of two situations: - support is spread so thinly that each company involved in the area has elected to support a different solution - the project is just not that

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Jarret Raim
-Original Message- From: Sylvain Bauza [mailto:sylvain.ba...@bull.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 5:04 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation Le 18/12/2013 11:40, Thierry

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Alex Freedland
I would vote for the approach number 2. I think there are some distinct advantages for one company driving the development of a certain feature sets early in the life of the project, typically, the speed of development is faster, and it is easier to achieve focus early on. Allowing important

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Thierry Carrez
Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 11:40:21AM +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: I guess there are 3 options: 1. Require diversity for incubation, but find ways to bless or recommend projects pre-incubation so that this diversity can actually be achieved 2. Do not require diversity

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Sylvain Bauza sylvain.ba...@bull.netwrote: Le 18/12/2013 11:40, Thierry Carrez a écrit : I guess there are 3 options: 1. Require diversity for incubation, but find ways to bless or recommend projects pre-incubation so that this diversity can actually be

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.comwrote: On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 11:40:21AM +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, The TC meeting yesterday uncovered an interesting question which, so far, divided TC members. We require that projects have a

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Doug Hellmann
: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation Le 18/12/2013 11:40, Thierry Carrez a écrit : I guess there are 3 options: 1. Require diversity for incubation, but find ways to bless or recommend projects pre-incubation so that this diversity can actually be achieved 2. Do

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Jarret Raim
It is a difficult thing to measure, and I don't think the intent is to set a hard % for contributions. I think the numbers for Barbican were just illustrating the fact that the concrete contributions are very coming very heavily from one source. That's only one data point, though, and as

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Steven Dake
On 12/18/2013 03:40 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, The TC meeting yesterday uncovered an interesting question which, so far, divided TC members. We require that projects have a number of different developers involved before they apply for incubation, mostly to raise the bus factor. But

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Sean Dague
On 12/18/2013 10:37 AM, Steven Dake wrote: On 12/18/2013 03:40 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, The TC meeting yesterday uncovered an interesting question which, so far, divided TC members. We require that projects have a number of different developers involved before they apply for

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 18/12/13 11:40 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, The TC meeting yesterday uncovered an interesting question which, so far, divided TC members. We require that projects have a number of different developers involved before they apply for incubation, mostly to raise the bus factor.

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 12/18/2013 10:37 AM, Steven Dake wrote: On 12/18/2013 03:40 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, The TC meeting yesterday uncovered an interesting question which, so far, divided TC members. We require that

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Jarret Raim jarret.r...@rackspace.comwrote: It is a difficult thing to measure, and I don't think the intent is to set a hard % for contributions. I think the numbers for Barbican were just illustrating the fact that the concrete contributions are very

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 18/12/13 12:35 -0500, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 12/18/2013 10:37 AM, Steven Dake wrote: But I can tell you one thing for certain, an actual incubation commitment from the OpenStack Technical Committee has a huge

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 12/18/2013 07:01 AM, Dolph Mathews wrote: Options 2 and 3 sound identical to me, when realistically applied. Option 3 just makes the common sense aspect mandatory. Indeed, Option 3 gets my vote. One aspect I'd like to mention regarding diversity of contributors in any open source project is

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Mike Perez
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.orgwrote: I guess there are 3 options: 1. Require diversity for incubation, but find ways to bless or recommend projects pre-incubation so that this diversity can actually be achieved 2. Do not require diversity for

Re: [openstack-dev] Diversity as a requirement for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Jay Pipes
On 12/18/2013 12:34 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: I have more of an issue with a project failing *after* becoming integrated than during incubation. That's why we have the incubation period to begin with. For the same reason, I'm leaning towards allowing projects into incubation without a very