Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-12-13 Thread Chuck Short
Hi, I have definitely seen a drop off in the proposed Container-Service API discussion. I think peple are still mauling over the ideas that were presented so far. However with looking at the discussion so far, and possibly trying to get the discussion going again, I don't think we are at the

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-12-12 Thread Rick Harris
Hi all, Was wondering if there's been any more work done on the proposed Container-Service (Capsule?) API? Haven't seen much on the ML on this, so just want to make sure the current plan is still to have a draft of the Capsule API, compare the delta to the existing Nova API, and determine

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-22 Thread Thierry Carrez
Tim Bell wrote: Can we make sure that the costs for the end users are also considered as part of this ? - Configuration management will need further modules - Dashboard confusion as we get multiple tabs - Accounting, Block Storage, Networking, Orchestration

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-22 Thread Krishna Raman
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Tim Bell tim.b...@cern.ch wrote: Can we make sure that the costs for the end users are also considered as part of this ? - Configuration management will need further modules - Dashboard confusion as we get multiple tabs -

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-22 Thread Krishna Raman
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Sam Alba sam.a...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Krishna Raman kra...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Sam Alba sam.a...@gmail.com wrote: I wish we can make a decision during this meeting. Is it confirmed for Friday

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-22 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2013-11-22 01:50:39 -0800: Tim Bell wrote: Can we make sure that the costs for the end users are also considered as part of this ? - Configuration management will need further modules - Dashboard confusion as we get multiple

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-22 Thread Eric Windisch
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Krishna Raman kra...@gmail.com wrote: Reminder: We are meting in about 15 minutes on #openstack-meeting channel. I wasn't able to make it. Was meeting-bot triggered? Is there a log of today's discussion? Thank you, Eric Windisch

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-22 Thread Krishna Raman
On Nov 22, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Eric Windisch e...@cloudscaling.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Krishna Raman kra...@gmail.com wrote: Reminder: We are meting in about 15 minutes on #openstack-meeting channel. I wasn't able to make it. Was meeting-bot triggered? Is there a log of

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-22 Thread Russell Bryant
On 11/22/2013 02:29 PM, Krishna Raman wrote: On Nov 22, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Eric Windisch e...@cloudscaling.com mailto:e...@cloudscaling.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Krishna Raman kra...@gmail.com mailto:kra...@gmail.com wrote: Reminder: We are meting in about 15 minutes on

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-21 Thread Chuck Short
Hi Has a decision happened when this meeting is going to take place, assuming it is still taking place tomorrow. Regards chuck On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Krishna Raman kra...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 18, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/18/2013 06:30

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-21 Thread Chuck Short
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Sam Alba sam.a...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Krishna Raman kra...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Sam Alba sam.a...@gmail.com wrote: I wish we can make a decision during this meeting. Is it confirmed for Friday

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-21 Thread Sam Alba
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Krishna Raman kra...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Sam Alba sam.a...@gmail.com wrote: I wish we can make a decision during this meeting. Is it confirmed for Friday 9am pacific? Friday 9am Pacific seems to be the best time for this

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-21 Thread Rick Harris
++ on Fri. 9am PST. On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Sam Alba sam.a...@gmail.com wrote: I wish we can make a decision during this meeting. Is it confirmed for Friday 9am pacific? On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Chuck Short chuck.sh...@canonical.com wrote: Hi Has a decision happened

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-21 Thread Krishna Raman
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Sam Alba sam.a...@gmail.com wrote: I wish we can make a decision during this meeting. Is it confirmed for Friday 9am pacific? Friday 9am Pacific seems to be the best time for this meeting. Can we use the #openstack-meeting channel for this? If not, then I can

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-21 Thread Sam Alba
I wish we can make a decision during this meeting. Is it confirmed for Friday 9am pacific? On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Chuck Short chuck.sh...@canonical.com wrote: Hi Has a decision happened when this meeting is going to take place, assuming it is still taking place tomorrow. Regards

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-21 Thread Tim Bell
Can we make sure that the costs for the end users are also considered as part of this ? - Configuration management will need further modules - Dashboard confusion as we get multiple tabs - Accounting, Block Storage, Networking, Orchestration confusion as the

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-19 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 07:10:53PM -0500, Krishna Raman wrote: We should probably meet on IRC or conf. call and discuss the suggested architecture, open questions and REST API. I have set up a doodle poll at http://doodle.com/w7y5qcdvq9i36757 to gather a times when we can meet. Please

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-19 Thread Thierry Carrez
Russell Bryant wrote: My view of the outcome of the session was not it *will* be a new service. Instead, it was, we *think* it should be a new service, but let's do some more investigation to decide for sure. The action item from the session was to go off and come up with a proposal for

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-19 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:57:51AM +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Russell Bryant wrote: My view of the outcome of the session was not it *will* be a new service. Instead, it was, we *think* it should be a new service, but let's do some more investigation to decide for sure. The action

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-19 Thread Chuck Short
Hi I am excited to see containers getting such traction in the openstack project. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/18/2013 06:30 PM, Dan Smith wrote: Not having been at the summit (maybe the next one), could somebody give a really short

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-19 Thread James Bottomley
On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 14:28 -0800, Stuart Fox wrote: Hey all Not having been at the summit (maybe the next one), could somebody give a really short explanation as to why it needs to be a separate service? It sounds like it should fit within the Nova area. It is, after all, just another

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-19 Thread Sam Alba
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Chuck Short chuck.sh...@canonical.com wrote: Hi I am excited to see containers getting such traction in the openstack project. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/18/2013 06:30 PM, Dan Smith wrote: Not having

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-19 Thread Eric Windisch
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM, James Bottomley james.bottom...@hansenpartnership.com wrote: On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 14:28 -0800, Stuart Fox wrote: Hey all Not having been at the summit (maybe the next one), could somebody give a really short explanation as to why it needs to be a separate

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-19 Thread James Bottomley
On Tue, 2013-11-19 at 13:46 -0500, Eric Windisch wrote: On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM, James Bottomley james.bottom...@hansenpartnership.com wrote: On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 14:28 -0800, Stuart Fox wrote: Hey all Not having been at the summit (maybe the next one), could somebody give a

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-19 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:02:45AM -0800, James Bottomley wrote: On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 14:28 -0800, Stuart Fox wrote: Hey all Not having been at the summit (maybe the next one), could somebody give a really short explanation as to why it needs to be a separate service? It sounds like

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-19 Thread Rick Jones
On 11/19/2013 10:02 AM, James Bottomley wrote: It is possible to extend the Nova APIs to control containers more fully, but there was resistance do doing this on the grounds that it's expanding the scope of Nova, hence the new project. How well received would another CLI/API to learn be among

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-19 Thread Russell Bryant
On 11/19/2013 03:08 PM, Rick Jones wrote: On 11/19/2013 10:02 AM, James Bottomley wrote: It is possible to extend the Nova APIs to control containers more fully, but there was resistance do doing this on the grounds that it's expanding the scope of Nova, hence the new project. How well

[openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-18 Thread Sam Alba
Hello everyone, As some of you already know - in Hong-Kong during the last OpenStack Summit - we ran a design session in the Nova topic titled Docker support in OpenStack. The session concluded in developing a new OpenStack service for supporting containers instead of modifying Nova to support

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-18 Thread Stuart Fox
Hey all Not having been at the summit (maybe the next one), could somebody give a really short explanation as to why it needs to be a separate service? It sounds like it should fit within the Nova area. It is, after all, just another hypervisor type, or so it seems. (I can’t find the

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-18 Thread Joshua Harlow
Same question here. I also wonder why a new service. Yes the capabilities might be different (but then can't this be fixed this is nova by making nova support different capabilities in different hypervisors better). The api's also might be different (but then can't this be fixed by making the api

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-18 Thread Monty Taylor
On 11/18/2013 02:28 PM, Stuart Fox wrote: Hey all Not having been at the summit (maybe the next one), could somebody give a really short explanation as to why it needs to be a separate service? It sounds like it should fit within the Nova area. It is, after all, just another hypervisor

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-18 Thread Dan Smith
Not having been at the summit (maybe the next one), could somebody give a really short explanation as to why it needs to be a separate service? It sounds like it should fit within the Nova area. It is, after all, just another hypervisor type, or so it seems. But it's not just another

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-18 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Sam Alba's message of 2013-11-18 14:05:47 -0800: Hello everyone, As some of you already know - in Hong-Kong during the last OpenStack Summit - we ran a design session in the Nova topic titled Docker support in OpenStack. The session concluded in developing a new OpenStack

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-18 Thread Russell Bryant
On 11/18/2013 06:30 PM, Dan Smith wrote: Not having been at the summit (maybe the next one), could somebody give a really short explanation as to why it needs to be a separate service? It sounds like it should fit within the Nova area. It is, after all, just another hypervisor type, or so it

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-18 Thread Krishna Raman
On Nov 18, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/18/2013 06:30 PM, Dan Smith wrote: Not having been at the summit (maybe the next one), could somebody give a really short explanation as to why it needs to be a separate service? It sounds like it should fit within

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-18 Thread Russell Bryant
On 11/18/2013 07:58 PM, Krishna Raman wrote: I have also set up a doodle poll at http://doodle.com/w7y5qcdvq9i36757 to gather a times when a majority of us are available to discuss on IRC. What time zone are these times in? -- Russell Bryant ___

Re: [openstack-dev] Introducing the new OpenStack service for Containers

2013-11-18 Thread Krishna Raman
On Nov 18, 2013, at 6:05 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/18/2013 07:58 PM, Krishna Raman wrote: I have also set up a doodle poll at http://doodle.com/w7y5qcdvq9i36757 to gather a times when a majority of us are available to discuss on IRC. What time zone are these