Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-31 Thread Thierry Carrez
Stefano Maffulli wrote: I have the feeling we keep going back to communicating expectations to new participants to the community. Are we putting too much emphasis on new commits and too little on new reviews? What do you think if from now on the weekly newsletter would mention the new first

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-30 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/29/2013 07:14 PM, Tom Fifield wrote: On 30/10/13 07:58, Russell Bryant wrote: On 10/29/2013 04:24 PM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: On 10/28/2013 10:28 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: 2) Setting clearer expectations. Since we have so many blueprints for Nova, I feel it's very important to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-30 Thread Tom Fifield
On 30/10/13 17:14, Russell Bryant wrote: On 10/29/2013 07:14 PM, Tom Fifield wrote: On 30/10/13 07:58, Russell Bryant wrote: On 10/29/2013 04:24 PM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: On 10/28/2013 10:28 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: 2) Setting clearer expectations. Since we have so many blueprints for

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-30 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/30/2013 02:26 AM, Tom Fifield wrote: On 30/10/13 17:14, Russell Bryant wrote: On 10/29/2013 07:14 PM, Tom Fifield wrote: So, how would you feel about giving some priority manipulation abilities to the user committee? :) Abilities, no, but input, of course. Any practical ideas on the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-30 Thread Thierry Carrez
Stefano Maffulli wrote: On 10/28/2013 10:28 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: 2) Setting clearer expectations. Since we have so many blueprints for Nova, I feel it's very important to accurately set expectations for how the priority of different projects compare. In the last cycle, priorities were

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-30 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Wed 30 Oct 2013 03:29:32 AM PDT, Thierry Carrez wrote: (1) Rating blueprints low priority doesn't mean they won't make it. It means we have no idea if they will make it. Maybe the proposer doesn't have a proven track record of hitting promised deadlines, maybe we don't have core reviewers

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-29 Thread John Garbutt
On 28 October 2013 15:39, Anne Gentle a...@openstack.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:24 AM, John Garbutt j...@johngarbutt.com wrote: Here is a really bad attempt at codifying what I think about features vs bugs: 1) If its a new API call, or a change in behaviour, or a new config setting,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-29 Thread John Garbutt
John Garbutt wrote: On 25 October 2013 11:52, Nikola Đipanov ndipa...@redhat.com wrote: I don't have the numbers but I have a feeling that what happened in Havana was that a lot of blueprints slipped until the time for feature freeze. Reviewers thought it was a worthwile feature at that point

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-29 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 10/28/2013 10:28 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: 2) Setting clearer expectations. Since we have so many blueprints for Nova, I feel it's very important to accurately set expectations for how the priority of different projects compare. In the last cycle, priorities were mainly subjectively set

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-29 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/29/2013 04:24 PM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: On 10/28/2013 10:28 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: 2) Setting clearer expectations. Since we have so many blueprints for Nova, I feel it's very important to accurately set expectations for how the priority of different projects compare. In the last

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-29 Thread Tom Fifield
On 30/10/13 07:58, Russell Bryant wrote: On 10/29/2013 04:24 PM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: On 10/28/2013 10:28 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: 2) Setting clearer expectations. Since we have so many blueprints for Nova, I feel it's very important to accurately set expectations for how the priority of

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-28 Thread John Garbutt
On 25 October 2013 11:52, Nikola Đipanov ndipa...@redhat.com wrote: On 23/10/13 17:33, Russell Bryant wrote: 4) Blueprint Prioritization I would like to do a better job of using priorities in Icehouse. The priority field services a couple of purposes: - helps reviewers prioritize their

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-28 Thread John Garbutt
On 25 October 2013 10:18, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 24, 2013 9:14 PM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: On 24 October 2013 04:33, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: Greetings, At the last Nova meeting we started talking about some updates to the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-28 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 10/23/2013 08:33 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: At the last Nova meeting we started talking about some updates to the Nova blueprint process for the Icehouse cycle. I had hoped we could talk about and finalize this in a Nova design summit session on Nova Project Structure and Process [1], but I

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-28 Thread Anne Gentle
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:24 AM, John Garbutt j...@johngarbutt.com wrote: On 25 October 2013 10:18, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 24, 2013 9:14 PM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: On 24 October 2013 04:33, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-28 Thread Thierry Carrez
John Garbutt wrote: On 25 October 2013 11:52, Nikola Đipanov ndipa...@redhat.com wrote: I don't have the numbers but I have a feeling that what happened in Havana was that a lot of blueprints slipped until the time for feature freeze. Reviewers thought it was a worthwile feature at that point

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-28 Thread Robert Collins
On 29 October 2013 03:24, John Garbutt j...@johngarbutt.com wrote: I based that on this statement, which I think sums it up well If the patch implements a feature, it should reference a blueprint. The blueprint should be approved before the patch is merged

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-25 Thread Joe Gordon
On Oct 24, 2013 9:14 PM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: On 24 October 2013 04:33, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: Greetings, At the last Nova meeting we started talking about some updates to the Nova blueprint process for the Icehouse cycle. I had hoped we

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-25 Thread Nikola Đipanov
On 23/10/13 17:33, Russell Bryant wrote: 4) Blueprint Prioritization I would like to do a better job of using priorities in Icehouse. The priority field services a couple of purposes: - helps reviewers prioritize their time - helps set expectations for the submitter for how

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-25 Thread Russell Bryant
It would be helpful if you could follow the reply style being used. :-) -Original Message- From: Russell Bryant [mailto:rbry...@redhat.com] Sent: October-24-13 5:08 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process On 10/24

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-24 Thread Joe Gordon
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: Greetings, At the last Nova meeting we started talking about some updates to the Nova blueprint process for the Icehouse cycle. I had hoped we could talk about and finalize this in a Nova design summit session on Nova

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-24 Thread Dan Smith
In the last meeting we discussed an idea that I think is worth trying at least for icehouse-1 to see if we like it or not. The idea is that *every* blueprint starts out at a Low priority, which means best effort, but no promises. For a blueprint to get prioritized higher, it should have 2

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-24 Thread Gary Kotton
On 10/24/13 4:46 PM, Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote: In the last meeting we discussed an idea that I think is worth trying at least for icehouse-1 to see if we like it or not. The idea is that *every* blueprint starts out at a Low priority, which means best effort, but no promises.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-24 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/24/2013 07:43 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com mailto:rbry...@redhat.com wrote: Here is a first cut at the process. Let me know what you think is missing or should change. I'll get the result of this thread posted on

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-24 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/24/2013 10:52 AM, Gary Kotton wrote: On 10/24/13 4:46 PM, Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote: In the last meeting we discussed an idea that I think is worth trying at least for icehouse-1 to see if we like it or not. The idea is that *every* blueprint starts out at a Low priority,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-24 Thread Andrew Laski
On 10/24/13 at 11:07am, Russell Bryant wrote: On 10/24/2013 10:52 AM, Gary Kotton wrote: On 10/24/13 4:46 PM, Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote: In the last meeting we discussed an idea that I think is worth trying at least for icehouse-1 to see if we like it or not. The idea is that

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-24 Thread Thierry Carrez
Russell Bryant wrote: At the last Nova meeting we started talking about some updates to the Nova blueprint process for the Icehouse cycle. I had hoped we could talk about and finalize this in a Nova design summit session on Nova Project Structure and Process [1], but I think we need to push

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-24 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/24/2013 11:32 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Russell Bryant wrote: At the last Nova meeting we started talking about some updates to the Nova blueprint process for the Icehouse cycle. I had hoped we could talk about and finalize this in a Nova design summit session on Nova Project Structure

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-24 Thread Robert Collins
On 24 October 2013 04:33, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: Greetings, At the last Nova meeting we started talking about some updates to the Nova blueprint process for the Icehouse cycle. I had hoped we could talk about and finalize this in a Nova design summit session on Nova

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-24 Thread Alan Kavanagh
- From: Russell Bryant [mailto:rbry...@redhat.com] Sent: October-24-13 5:08 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process On 10/24/2013 10:52 AM, Gary Kotton wrote: On 10/24/13 4:46 PM, Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote: In the last