Re: [openstack-dev] An alternative approach to enforcing expected election behaviour

2014-06-18 Thread Thierry Carrez
James E. Blair wrote: I think our recent experience has shown that the fundamental problem is that not all of the members of our community knew what kind of behavior we expected around elections. That's understandable -- we had hardly articulated it. I think the best solution to that is

Re: [openstack-dev] An alternative approach to enforcing expected election behaviour

2014-06-18 Thread Eoghan Glynn
James E. Blair wrote: I think our recent experience has shown that the fundamental problem is that not all of the members of our community knew what kind of behavior we expected around elections. That's understandable -- we had hardly articulated it. I think the best solution to that

Re: [openstack-dev] An alternative approach to enforcing expected election behaviour

2014-06-17 Thread James E. Blair
Eoghan Glynn egl...@redhat.com writes: TL;DR: how about we adopt a soft enforcement model, relying on sound judgement and good faith within the community? Thank you very much for bringing this up and proposing it to the TC. As others have suggested, having a concrete alternative is

[openstack-dev] An alternative approach to enforcing expected election behaviour

2014-06-16 Thread Eoghan Glynn
TL;DR: how about we adopt a soft enforcement model, relying on sound judgement and good faith within the community? Hi Folks, I'm concerned that the expected election behaviour review[1] is not converging on the optimal approach, partially due to the initial concentration on the

Re: [openstack-dev] An alternative approach to enforcing expected election behaviour

2014-06-16 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 05:04:51AM -0400, Eoghan Glynn wrote: How about we rely instead on the values and attributes that actually make our community strong? Specifically: maturity, honesty, and a self-correcting nature. How about we simply require that each candidate for a TC or PTL

Re: [openstack-dev] An alternative approach to enforcing expected election behaviour

2014-06-16 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 10:56 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 05:04:51AM -0400, Eoghan Glynn wrote: How about we rely instead on the values and attributes that actually make our community strong? Specifically: maturity, honesty, and a self-correcting nature.

Re: [openstack-dev] An alternative approach to enforcing expected election behaviour

2014-06-16 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 10:56 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 05:04:51AM -0400, Eoghan Glynn wrote: How about we rely instead on the values and attributes that actually make our community strong?

Re: [openstack-dev] An alternative approach to enforcing expected election behaviour

2014-06-16 Thread Eoghan Glynn
On Mon, 2014-06-16 at 10:56 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 05:04:51AM -0400, Eoghan Glynn wrote: How about we rely instead on the values and attributes that actually make our community strong? Specifically: maturity, honesty, and a self-correcting