Re: [Openstack] Cloud Computing StackExchange site proposal

2011-11-29 Thread Thierry Carrez
Stefano Maffulli wrote: Leaving aside naming the tools, what would be the most important features to have? Here is my personal list, in no particular order: * good search engine * ability to promote question and best answer to FAQ * good looking and nice to use * custom domain (like

[Openstack] Reminder: OpenStack team meeting - 21:00 UTC

2011-11-29 Thread Thierry Carrez
Hello everyone, Our general meeting will take place at 21:00 UTC this Tuesday in #openstack-meeting on IRC. PTLs, if you can't make it, please name a substitute on [2]. We will look at general progress towards essex-2, improving visibility over the global Essex plans and the status of the client

[Openstack] Database stuff

2011-11-29 Thread Soren Hansen
Hi, guys. Gosh, this turned out to be long. Sorry about that. I'm adding some tests for the DB api, and I've stumbled across something that we should probably discuss. First of all, most (if not all) of the various *_create methods we have, return quite amputated objects. Any attempt to access

Re: [Openstack] Database stuff

2011-11-29 Thread Jason Kölker
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 16:20 +0100, Soren Hansen wrote: It seems I've talked myself into preferring option e). It's too much work to do on my own, though, and it's going to be disruptive, so we need to do it real soon. I think it'll be worth it, though. I agree. This will also make it easier

Re: [Openstack] Database stuff

2011-11-29 Thread Brian Waldon
I think option e is our best bet. It's the *only* option if we want to efficiently separate our services (as Jason has pointed out). Waldon On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:52 AM, Devin Carlen wrote: Hey Soren, On Nov 29, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Soren Hansen wrote: SQLAlchemy does support looking

Re: [Openstack] Database stuff

2011-11-29 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 16:20 +0100, Soren Hansen wrote: It seems I've talked myself into preferring option e). It's too much work to do on my own, though, and it's going to be disruptive, so we need to do it real soon. I think it'll be worth it, though. (e) sounds right to me. But hopefully

Re: [Openstack] Database stuff

2011-11-29 Thread Aaron Lee
For this I think we need to separate the models from the queries. A query method should be able to populate as many of the models as needed to return the data collected. I also think separating the queries from the models themselves will help us make the storage engine replaceable, and will

Re: [Openstack] Database stuff

2011-11-29 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
e) is the right solution imho. The only reason joinedloads slipped in is for efficiency reasons. In an ideal world the solution would be: 1) (explicitness) Every object or list of related objects is retrieved with an explicit call: instance = db.instance_get(id) ifaces =

[Openstack] Proposal for Lorin Hochstein to join nova-core

2011-11-29 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
Lorin has been a great contributor to Nova for a long time and has been participating heavily in reviews over the past couple of months. I think he would be a great addition to nova-core. Vish ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Security Group Extension Prohibits same group source in rules

2011-11-29 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
+1. This sounds like a bug. FYI there are some issues related to adding source group rules that specify ports that need to be fixed. We have also discussed whether or not the same group should be allow all by default. In ec2 it does. I personally like having it explicit like this, but I

Re: [Openstack] Cloud Computing StackExchange site proposal

2011-11-29 Thread Michael Pittaro
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Stefano Maffulli wrote: Leaving aside naming the tools, what would be the most important features to have? Here is my personal list, in no particular order: * good search engine * ability to promote question and

Re: [Openstack] boot from ISO

2011-11-29 Thread Michaël Van de Borne
Hi Donal, hi all, I'm trying to test the Boot From ISO feature. So I've set a XenServer host and installed a Ubuntu 11.10 PV DomU in it. Then I used the following commands but, as you can see in the attached nova-compute log excerpt, there was a problem. glance add name=fedora_iso

Re: [Openstack] Database stuff

2011-11-29 Thread Jay Pipes
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Jason Kölker jkoel...@rackspace.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 16:20 +0100, Soren Hansen wrote: It seems I've talked myself into preferring option e). It's too much work to do on my own, though, and it's going to be disruptive, so we need to do it real

Re: [Openstack] Database stuff

2011-11-29 Thread Jay Pipes
+10 On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya vishvana...@gmail.com wrote: e) is the right solution imho.  The only reason joinedloads slipped in is for efficiency reasons. In an ideal world the solution would be: 1) (explicitness) Every object or list of related objects is

Re: [Openstack] Database stuff

2011-11-29 Thread Duncan McGreggor
On 29 Nov 2011 - 17:54, Aaron Lee wrote: For this I think we need to separate the models from the queries. +1 A query method should be able to populate as many of the models as needed to return the data collected. I also think separating the queries from the models themselves will help us

Re: [Openstack] Database stuff

2011-11-29 Thread Michael Pittaro
I like e). I know it's heresy in some circles, but this approach can also support the use of SqlAlchemy core, without the use of the SQLAlchemy ORM. It's more work in some respects, but does allow writing very efficient queries. mike On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Vishvananda Ishaya

Re: [Openstack] Proposal for Lorin Hochstein to join nova-core

2011-11-29 Thread Brian Waldon
+1 On Nov 29, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: Lorin has been a great contributor to Nova for a long time and has been participating heavily in reviews over the past couple of months. I think he would be a great addition to nova-core. Vish

Re: [Openstack] Proposal for Lorin Hochstein to join nova-core

2011-11-29 Thread Brian Schott
+1 - Brian Schott, CTO Nimbis Services, Inc. brian.sch...@nimbisservices.com ph: 443-274-6064 fx: 443-274-6060 On Nov 29, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: Lorin has been a great contributor to Nova for a long time and has been

Re: [Openstack] Database stuff

2011-11-29 Thread Chris Behrens
+1 on the thoughts here. Exactly what I meant by my reply. Not sure what the interface should look like for #2, but we must be able to do it somehow. - Chris On Nov 29, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: e) is the right solution imho. The only reason joinedloads slipped in is for

[Openstack] Lloyd Learning Docs website content processes

2011-11-29 Thread Lloyd Dewolf
I had a good call with Anne Gentle a few hours ago, 08:00 PT, and got a first introduction to the fantastic documentation work, and infrastructure to support it. There is a lot for me to get up to speed on, and Anne has generously agreed to continue to mentor me. We'll have another one-on-one

Re: [Openstack] Database stuff

2011-11-29 Thread Soren Hansen
2011/11/29 Vishvananda Ishaya vishvana...@gmail.com: e) is the right solution imho.  The only reason joinedloads slipped in is for efficiency reasons. In an ideal world the solution would be: 1) (explicitness) Every object or list of related objects is retrieved with an explicit call:  

Re: [Openstack] Cloud Computing StackExchange site proposal

2011-11-29 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 10:10 -0800, Lloyd Dewolf wrote: Where do I find this previous discussion? around here: https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg02169.html What do you think of the requirements we're gathering for the QA system? I'd like your opinion on that as we move on. thanks stef

Re: [Openstack] Database stuff

2011-11-29 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
Inline On Nov 29, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Soren Hansen wrote: 2011/11/29 Vishvananda Ishaya vishvana...@gmail.com: e) is the right solution imho. The only reason joinedloads slipped in is for efficiency reasons. In an ideal world the solution would be: 1) (explicitness) Every object or

Re: [Openstack] Cloud Computing StackExchange site proposal

2011-11-29 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
It was here: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/31788 It was rejected on the grounds of being able to be covered on StackOverflow and ServerFault. Vish On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Lloyd Dewolf wrote: On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Anne Gentle a...@openstack.org wrote: We had

Re: [Openstack] openstack Diablo Installation manual [Simplified Chinese]

2011-11-29 Thread Anne Gentle
Great, thanks for your contribution! I am guessing that you did not translate but wrote an independent one, that's fine with us. I've worked with FLOSS Manuals, an open source documentation community, where we would encourage new content in another language and not consider English to be the only

[Openstack] Documentation translations

2011-11-29 Thread Anne Gentle
Hi all, As a follow-up to the interest in simplified Chinese manuals, I would also like to experiment with English-as-source translations. I had been delaying a frozen set of English source files but I think we could just pick a date and start translating if there is enough interest and we

Re: [Openstack] Database stuff

2011-11-29 Thread Duncan McGreggor
On 29 Nov 2011 - 13:15, Jay Pipes wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Jason K??lker jkoel...@rackspace.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 16:20 +0100, Soren Hansen wrote: It seems I've talked myself into preferring option e). It's too much work to do on my own, though, and it's going

Re: [Openstack] Cloud Computing StackExchange site proposal

2011-11-29 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 10:14 -0800, Michael Pittaro wrote: * a method or process for flagging topics which should migrate into documentation and/or the wiki Sounds interesting. If I understand you correctly, you want to have a way to mark questions about topics that may be improved in the

Re: [Openstack] Database stuff

2011-11-29 Thread Soren Hansen
2011/11/29 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com: There's a very good reason this hasn't happened so far: handling highly relational datasets with a non-relational data store is a bad idea. In fact, I seem to remember that is exactly how Nova's data store started out life (*cough* Redis *cough*) To be

Re: [Openstack] Database stuff

2011-11-29 Thread Jay Pipes
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Soren Hansen so...@linux2go.dk wrote: 2011/11/29 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com: There's a very good reason this hasn't happened so far: handling highly relational datasets with a non-relational data store is a bad idea. In fact, I seem to remember that is

Re: [Openstack] Database stuff

2011-11-29 Thread Aaron Lee
On Nov 29, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: … some stuff I agree with, then... something like db.interfaces_get_by_instance(id, hint='fixed_ip'), This is very similar to ActiveRecord. In a case like this you would say Instance.find(id, :include = :fixed_ip) If you are including

Re: [Openstack] [nova-testing] Efforts for Essex

2011-11-29 Thread Soren Hansen
It's been a bit over a week since I started this thread. So far we've agreed that running the test suite is too slow, mostly because there are too many things in there that aren't unit tests. We've also discussed my fake db implementation at length. I think we've generally agreed that it isn't

Re: [Openstack] Proposal for Lorin Hochstein to join nova-core

2011-11-29 Thread Todd Willey
+1 On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya vishvana...@gmail.com wrote: Lorin has been a great contributor to Nova for a long time and has been participating heavily in reviews over the past couple of months.  I think he would be a great addition to nova-core. Vish

Re: [Openstack] Database stuff

2011-11-29 Thread Soren Hansen
2011/11/29 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com: On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Soren Hansen so...@linux2go.dk wrote: 2011/11/29 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com: There's a very good reason this hasn't happened so far: handling highly relational datasets with a non-relational data store is a bad idea.

Re: [Openstack] Cloud Computing StackExchange site proposal

2011-11-29 Thread Lloyd Dewolf
Thanks Vish. Now my failed search makes more sense. Awesome how they delete it -- invitation to resubmit every month, jokes. On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Vishvananda Ishaya vishvana...@gmail.com wrote: It was here: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/31788 It was rejected on the

Re: [Openstack] Database stuff

2011-11-29 Thread Jay Pipes
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Soren Hansen so...@linux2go.dk wrote: 2011/11/29 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com: Besides, we don't really use transactions. I could easily read the same data from two separate nodes, make different (irreconcilable) changes on both nodes, and write them back, and

Re: [Openstack] Database stuff

2011-11-29 Thread Soren Hansen
2011/11/29 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com: On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Soren Hansen so...@linux2go.dk wrote: 2011/11/29 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com: Besides, we don't really use transactions. I could easily read the same data from two separate nodes, make different (irreconcilable)

Re: [Openstack] boot from ISO

2011-11-29 Thread Donal Lafferty
Off the top of my head, I'd look to see if the compute node can see that ISO SR. DL From: Michaël Van de Borne [mailto:michael.vandebo...@cetic.be] Sent: 29 November 2011 18:15 To: Donal Lafferty; openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] boot from ISO Hi Donal, hi all, I'm

Re: [Openstack] Proposal for Mark McLoughlin to join nova-core

2011-11-29 Thread Dan Prince
+1 -Original Message- From: Vishvananda Ishaya vishvana...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:05pm To: openstack (openstack@lists.launchpad.net) openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: [Openstack] Proposal for Mark McLoughlin to join nova-core Mark is maintaining openstack

[Openstack] openstack.common module (was: Re: [RFC] Common config options module)

2011-11-29 Thread Jason Kölker
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 20:57 +, Mark McLoughlin wrote: Hi Jason, On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 10:24 -0600, Jason Kölker wrote: On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 08:06 -0800, Monty Taylor wrote: The idea is to unify option handling across projects with this new API. The module would eventually

[Openstack] development document: how to write a filter module to swift

2011-11-29 Thread pf shineyear
http://wiki.openstack.org/development/swift/filter it's not perfect but i think this can help some people at the beginning. if someone can help me to move this document to Swift Developer Documentation http://swift.openstack.org/ i will say thank you.

[Openstack] some of my understand of swift object replication (chinese and english)

2011-11-29 Thread pf shineyear
1。 当 proxy 传输成功节点数量 只有 2 的时候, 谁去补全第三个节点? 怎么补的? when there is just 2 object server transfer success, who will fill up the failed one?how? 如果只有三个节点, 两个挂了, 写入失败 if there are 3 object server, 2 node failed, upload fail. 如果只有三个节点, 一个挂了, 三次写入都成功, 另一次失败的写入会被 proxy 转写到 另外的两个节点中的一个, 由于 partition 不同,

Re: [Openstack] Cloud Computing StackExchange site proposal

2011-11-29 Thread Michael Pittaro
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.org wrote: On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 10:14 -0800, Michael Pittaro wrote:  * a method or process for flagging topics which should migrate  into documentation and/or the wiki Sounds interesting. If I understand you correctly, you

Re: [Openstack] Cloud Computing StackExchange site proposal

2011-11-29 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 16:06 -0800, Michael Pittaro wrote: A lot of knowledge discovery happens on a QA site, as well as lists and forums. However, a common problem with those tools is where the all the knowledge ends up being scattered in those locations (and often replicated), and the real

Re: [Openstack] Cloud Computing StackExchange site proposal

2011-11-29 Thread Lloyd Dewolf
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.org wrote: On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 10:10 -0800, Lloyd Dewolf wrote: Where do I find this previous discussion? around here: https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg02169.html What do you think of the requirements we're

[Openstack] Meetup in Seattle 11/30, 6:30pm at Opscode HQ

2011-11-29 Thread Rob_Hirschfeld
Seattle Area Stackers, We're having an informal meetup at the Opscode HQ (http://www.opscode.com/about/#contact) tomorrow. Rob __ Rob Hirschfeld Principal Cloud Solution Architect Dell | Cloud Edge, Data Center Solutions blog robhirschfeld.com, twitter @zehicle

Re: [Openstack] [nova-testing] Efforts for Essex

2011-11-29 Thread Nachi Ueno
Hi folks Jay Thank you for your pointing this!:) Hey OpenStackers,please help forward-porting :P Soren Anything else around unit testing anyone wants to get into The Great Big Plan[tm]? And also, we should have a policy for unit test. Something like this - New code should have a concrete

Re: [Openstack] Proposal for Mark McLoughlin to join nova-core

2011-11-29 Thread Monty Taylor
+1 On 11/29/2011 02:12 PM, Dan Prince wrote: +1 -Original Message- From: Vishvananda Ishaya vishvana...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:05pm To: openstack (openstack@lists.launchpad.net) openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: [Openstack] Proposal for Mark

[Openstack-poc] Meeting today

2011-11-29 Thread Jonathan Bryce
Anyone have anything you'd like to discuss today? Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc Post to : openstack-poc@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc More help :