Re: [opensuse] feedback on SuSE10.0RC1 from a former gentoo'er

2005-10-04 Thread houghi
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 07:57:26AM +0200, Daniel Bertolo wrote: Playing unencrypted DVDs is legal. But in order to play encrypted DVDs you need DeCSS which is supported by xine. But actually this is illegal in most countries. So you have to add it on your own. I proposed in an earlier post

Re: [opensuse] feedback on SuSE10.0RC1 from a former gentoo'er

2005-10-04 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 08:55:20AM +0200, houghi wrote: On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 08:37:35AM +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote: The problem is that they have to integrate tightly with the shipping X Server to fulfill the mandatory copy protection mechanisms (macrovision). This makes shipping a

Re: [opensuse] feedback on SuSE10.0RC1 from a former gentoo'er

2005-10-04 Thread Martin Sommer
On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Marcus Meissner wrote: On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 08:55:20AM +0200, houghi wrote: On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 08:37:35AM +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote: The problem is that they have to integrate tightly with the shipping X Server to fulfill the mandatory copy protection

[opensuse] libdvdcss, mp3, legal shmoo (was: ...from a former gentoo'er)

2005-10-04 Thread Pascal Bleser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 houghi wrote: On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 08:37:35AM +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote: The problem is that they have to integrate tightly with the shipping X Server to fulfill the mandatory copy protection mechanisms (macrovision). This makes shipping a

[opensuse] 10Rc1 and courier authd

2005-10-04 Thread Pal, Laszlo
Hi, I'm trying to install an smtp/imap mail server based on this release. I'm using maildir format, so I will use courier imap. Everything is installed and looks good, but I cannot authenticate against pam method on pop3/imap server. My pam config looks like this #%PAM-1.0 auth required

Re: [opensuse] libdvdcss, mp3, legal shmoo (was: ...from a former gentoo'er)

2005-10-04 Thread eddieleprince
On Tuesday 04 October 2005 08:54, Pascal Bleser wrote: houghi wrote: On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 08:37:35AM +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote: The problem is that they have to integrate tightly with the shipping X Server to fulfill the mandatory copy protection mechanisms (macrovision). This makes

Re: [opensuse] libdvdcss, mp3, legal shmoo (was: ...from a former gentoo'er)

2005-10-04 Thread radoeka
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 09:54:10AM +0100, eddieleprince wrote: Thanks Pascal, I found that very interesting and informative. Indeed, would be could to store on the wiki. -- RIchard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: [opensuse] libdvdcss, mp3, legal shmoo (was: ...from a former gentoo'er)

2005-10-04 Thread Andreas Simon
On Tuesday 04 October 2005 09:54, Pascal Bleser wrote: So, to summarize: libdvdcss2 is (L)GPL, but infringes patents because they break the conditions by which you are allowed to play encrypted DVDs. Apart from any patents libdvdcss2 circumvents a copy-protection of music data media. The

Re: [opensuse] libdvdcss, mp3, legal shmoo

2005-10-04 Thread Jukka
2005/10/4, jdd [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Pascal Bleser wrote: Yep. This is sick indeed but.. it could also mean, by extent, that providing information on the openSUSE wiki on how to install such software would be illegal (at least in Germany). And probably also to write an installer that

Re: [opensuse] libdvdcss, mp3, legal shmoo (was: ...from a former gentoo'er)

2005-10-04 Thread houghi
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 09:54:34AM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote: To build an installer around that should not be too hard, be it deb, rpm, tgz or even a binary. Well, I'm afraid that even providing an installer could get you into trouble. Depending on the country you live in and the country

Re: [opensuse] libdvdcss, mp3, legal shmoo (was: ...from a former gentoo'er)

2005-10-04 Thread houghi
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 11:31:17AM +0200, Andreas Simon wrote: On Tuesday 04 October 2005 09:54, Pascal Bleser wrote: So, to summarize: libdvdcss2 is (L)GPL, but infringes patents because they break the conditions by which you are allowed to play encrypted DVDs. Apart from any patents

Re: [opensuse] feedback on SuSE10.0RC1 from a former gentoo'er

2005-10-04 Thread Daniel Bertolo
Am Di 04.10.2005 09:08 schrieb Marcus Meissner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 08:55:20AM +0200, houghi wrote: Ah, so if there would be a legal version of libdvdcss2, that would cause a problem? Somehow I do not think so. To build an installer around that should not be too

Re: [opensuse] libdvdcss, mp3, legal shmoo (was: ...from a former gentoo'er)

2005-10-04 Thread Martin Sommer
On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, houghi wrote: On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 11:31:17AM +0200, Andreas Simon wrote: On Tuesday 04 October 2005 09:54, Pascal Bleser wrote: So, to summarize: libdvdcss2 is (L)GPL, but infringes patents because they break the conditions by which you are allowed to play

Re: [opensuse] feedback on SuSE10.0RC1 from a former gentoo'er

2005-10-04 Thread Martin Sommer
On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Daniel Bertolo wrote: [...] If that is illegal because I could capture the video stream and TVtime would not add that Macrovision stuff to my video file, that would mean that any TV application is illegal which is able to capture a stream on SVIDEO or Composite. So,

Re: [opensuse] libdvdcss, mp3, legal shmoo (was: ...from a former gentoo'er)

2005-10-04 Thread Fred A. Miller
On Tuesday 04 October 2005 5:54 am, Marcus Cooper wrote: [snip] Without slagging off anyone's country and their laws (God knows the UK have such a great history on stupid laws) that is a really scary law. Doesn't that effectively mean that any discussion of reverse enginneering is illegal in

Re: [opensuse] libdvdcss, mp3, legal shmoo (was: ...from a former gentoo'er)

2005-10-04 Thread houghi
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 02:25:22PM +0200, Martin Sommer wrote: I really don't understand what you wanna say. Who don't want to sell what? Microsoft is not selling a DVD player. Only Cyberlink and Intervideo sell DVD players. These players are able to use macrovision with the graphics cards

Re: [opensuse] feedback on SuSE10.0RC1 from a former gentoo'er

2005-10-04 Thread Martin Sommer
On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, houghi wrote: On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 02:40:59PM +0200, Martin Sommer wrote: On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Daniel Bertolo wrote: [...] If that is illegal because I could capture the video stream and TVtime would not add that Macrovision stuff to my video file, that

Re: [opensuse] libdvdcss, mp3, legal shmoo (was: ...from a former gentoo'er)

2005-10-04 Thread houghi
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 09:54:34AM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote: snip On the subject, if you are in Finland, go and demonstrate: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/04/finland_drm_protests/ Is it not ironic that a DVD released under the Creative Commons Licence can not be played, because of some

Re: [opensuse] feedback on SuSE10.0RC1 from a former gentoo'er

2005-10-04 Thread Martin Sommer
On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Daniel Bertolo wrote: [...] And that is too hard for Novell? But Linspire can handle it: http://www.linspire.com/lindows_products_details.php?product_id=11804 The download of that app is just 0.04MB in size. And it is declared as closed source. So, it might be just

Re: [opensuse] libdvdcss, mp3, legal shmoo

2005-10-04 Thread Peter Flodin
On 04/10/05, Pascal Bleser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could a few of us write up a page on the openSUSE wiki to explain the situation, once for all ? I'm not really an expert on that topic but I have been sitting in a few talks about it ;), nevertheless not sufficient to write up a

[opensuse] Sections on opensuse website

2005-10-04 Thread Marcus Cooper
Hiya This is probably a stupid question and I've missed something obvious but how do I see what pages people have created on the site? I keep having to search for the adding sources to yast and was wondering how many other pages people have created that I haven't found. As I say I'm probably

[opensuse] Declaration of InDRMpendence

2005-10-04 Thread Fred A. Miller
Since we've been discussing this issue Fred http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=1952tag=nl.e539 -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this

Re: [opensuse] Suggest change in behaviour of non-English keyboard layouts

2005-10-04 Thread Sonja Krause-Harder
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 06:50:41PM +0530, Shriramana Sharma wrote: I again request a revert to the previous status. Shall I file a bug? Is this a KDE bug or a SUSE bug? Yes, please file a bug at http://bugzilla.novell.com/ (Product SUSE Linux 10.0, Component X.org as it is probably an X

Re: [opensuse] libdvdcss, mp3, legal shmoo (was: ...from a former gentoo'er)

2005-10-04 Thread Carl Hartung
On Tuesday 04 October 2005 04:54, eddieleprince wrote: snip Thanks Pascal, I found that very interesting and informative. I concur. Pascal is *always* interesting and informative... if not sometimes hard to keep up with :-) Thanks, Pascal!

Re: [opensuse] Sections on opensuse website

2005-10-04 Thread jdd
Marcus Cooper wrote: Hiya This is probably a stupid question and I've missed something obvious but how do I see what pages people have created on the site? I keep having to search for the adding sources to yast and was wondering how many other pages people have created that I haven't found.

Re: [opensuse] Sections on opensuse website

2005-10-04 Thread Marcus Cooper
On 04/10/05, jdd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you must login to have all the menu entries, specially the recent page, very handy to follow the site's life :-) jdd Ah ha. Thanks jdd have fun Marcus -- Photos : www.flickr.com/photos/marcusc Blog : marcusbrain.blogspot.com `The music business

[opensuse] SCPM after upgrade 9.3 - 10

2005-10-04 Thread Jerry Westrick
Hello List. I upgraded my vaio laptop from 9.3. Mostly it went very well. But scpm don't work any more. After clicking new profile it pops-up as if it wants to work, sleeps and then closes. Nothing gets changed. Tried refreshing the package. No Go. Tried reinstalling the package. No Go.

[opensuse] asus_apic module on sony vaio after upgrade 9.3 - 10.0 RC1

2005-10-04 Thread Jerry Westrick
Me again. Separate problem, separate thread! After the update, the module asus_apic get loaded on my Sony Vaio. It Streams error msgs into my log file, till I rmmod it. Interesting enough, the sony_apic is also loaded. Which tend to sporadically read changes in brightness of my screen until

Re: [opensuse] asus_apic module on sony vaio after upgrade 9.3 - 10.0 RC1

2005-10-04 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Jerry Westrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] [10-04-05 12:15]: Anybody know where I can stop the asus module from loading? YaST2 or the Control Center (samo,samo) -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@

Re: [opensuse] SCPM after upgrade 9.3 - 10

2005-10-04 Thread Guðlaugur Jóhannesson
What I am about to say is what I did when upgrading from 9.2 - 9.3 but I had similar problems. Jerry Westrick wrote: But scpm don't work any more. After clicking new profile it pops-up as if it wants to work, sleeps and then closes. Nothing gets changed. Have you tried reconfiguring it

Re: [opensuse] feedback on SuSE10.0RC1 from a former gentoo'er

2005-10-04 Thread Andreas Girardet
On Wed, Oct 5, 2005 at 1:40 am, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Daniel Bertolo wrote: [...] If that is illegal because I could capture the video stream and TVtime would not add that Macrovision stuff to my video file, that would mean that any

[opensuse] typo in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/de

2005-10-04 Thread meister
Hi, in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/de is on line 144 a typo (missing e): key AD02 { [ comma, semicolon, dead_diaresis ] }; should be key AD02 { [ comma, semicolon, dead_diaeresis ] }; -- mdc - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[opensuse] initramfs

2005-10-04 Thread meister
Hi, I installed Alpha1 on x86 and ppc. Both have the same problem: on shutdown (or reboot) the root filesystem cannot be unmounted. If I change /etc/sysconfig/kernel DEV_ON_TMPFS to no I get no errors on shutdown. And hiding the error behind a nice splash works, but it's not an acceptable

Re: [opensuse] libdvdcss, mp3, legal shmoo (was: ...from a former gentoo'er)

2005-10-04 Thread Andreas Girardet
On Wed, Oct 5, 2005 at 4:44 am, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 04 October 2005 04:54, eddieleprince wrote: snip Thanks Pascal, I found that very interesting and informative. I concur. Pascal is *always* interesting and informative... if not

Re: [opensuse] typo in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/de

2005-10-04 Thread houghi
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 05:07:25PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/de is on line 144 a typo (missing e): key AD02 { [ comma, semicolon, dead_diaresis ] }; should be key AD02 { [ comma, semicolon, dead_diaeresis ] }; Enter a bugreport. houghi -- Quote correct

Re: [opensuse] AppArmor

2005-10-04 Thread Winston Graeme
Cheers for the info : - ) Dan Elder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I haven't used the lite version but I've used the full version quite a bit and know the dev team around it pretty well. The fullversion has a full YaST module for managing everything if you like the gui or great cli utilities.

[opensuse] Instalation from HD

2005-10-04 Thread houghi
When you do an instalation from the HD, it nicely asks you what HD it is, like hdXY. After that you need to enter the directory. If you did not exactly wrote down what the directory was, you need to reboot, look it up and write it down. Could the be no way to make it either browsable or at least

[opensuse] ALSA OSS compatibility modules loaded after saa7134 with oss=1 option

2005-10-04 Thread Stoyan Tzalev
Hi guys, just a quick question for the devs/maintainers reading this list... I have a saa7134 compatible TV tuner card. To get the sound, I pass the oss=1 option to the kernel module in order to register /dev/dsp1 and use this little trick : sox -c 2 -sw -r 32050 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp1 -t sw - |

Re: [opensuse] ALSA OSS compatibility modules loaded after saa7134 with oss=1 option

2005-10-04 Thread Stoyan Tzalev
..And yes,there's : options saa7134 oss=1 in /etc/modprobe.d/tv, I set it up using YAST... On Tuesday 04 October 2005 22:42, Stoyan Tzalev wrote: Hi guys, just a quick question for the devs/maintainers reading this list... I have a saa7134 compatible TV tuner card. To get the sound, I pass the

Re: [opensuse] typo in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/de

2005-10-04 Thread jdd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/de is on line 144 a typo (missing e): key AD02 { [ comma, semicolon, dead_diaresis ] }; should be key AD02 { [ comma, semicolon, dead_diaeresis ] }; -- mdc please open a new bug in bugzilla jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur:

[opensuse] acctcom

2005-10-04 Thread Yu Safin
I am lost trying to figure out how to run acctcom under SUSE. I have installed the accounting package and turned on acct (rcacct start). I can see the /usr/account/pacct file being created. I can issue the lastcomm command and it works. However, I can't seem to find the acctcom command. I am after

Re: [opensuse] 10.0 OSS - Novell / Commercial Upgrade Feasible?

2005-10-04 Thread Peter Machtans
Christoph schrieb/wrote/a écrit/escribió: On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, Peter Machtans wrote: If I'm impatient about getting started with SuSE Linux 10.0, can I install the OSS version when it's released on the 6th and then, when my Novell commercial package arrives, smoothly, easily and

Re: [opensuse] 10.0 OSS - Novell / Commercial Upgrade Feasible?

2005-10-04 Thread Evan Montgomery-Recht
I believe there is also support for laptops with centrino wireless chipsets on them, hence the reason I think I'm buying it. Is there a definitive list of differences? On 10/4/05, Peter Machtans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christoph schrieb/wrote/a écrit/escribió: On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, Peter

Re: [opensuse] 10.0 OSS - Novell / Commercial Upgrade Feasible?

2005-10-04 Thread Peter Machtans
Evan schrieb/wrote/a écrit/escribió: I believe there is also support for laptops with centrino wireless chipsets on them, hence the reason I think I'm buying it. Is there a definitive list of differences? You name it, where are the differences between OSS and the buyable stuff? Novell/SuSE

Re: [opensuse] 10.0 OSS - Novell / Commercial Upgrade Feasible?

2005-10-04 Thread houghi
On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 12:37:26AM +0200, Peter Machtans wrote: Evan schrieb/wrote/a écrit/escribió: I believe there is also support for laptops with centrino wireless chipsets on them, hence the reason I think I'm buying it. Is there a definitive list of differences? You name it,

Re: [opensuse] Suggest change in behaviour of non-English keyboard layouts

2005-10-04 Thread Shriramana Sharma
Tuesday 04 Oct 2005 21:05 samaye Sonja Krause-Harder alekhiit: Yes, please file a bug at http://bugzilla.novell.com/ (Product SUSE Linux 10.0, Component X.org as it is probably an X problem). Reported as bug #120305. I called myself a beta-customer. I hope that's right. SS.

Re: RE: [opensuse-optimize] About OpenSuSE Super kernel

2005-10-04 Thread andreas weber
sorry but that is not true .no srpms there opensuse-optimize@opensuse.org schrieb am 04.10.05 12:09:12: You can get the source-rpm of the suse-ck-kernel here: http://opensuse.linux.co.nz/ftp/pub/SUPER/files/ The ck-patches are here:

Re: [opensuse-optimize] SLICK stats

2005-10-04 Thread Jukka
2005/10/4, Andreas Girardet [EMAIL PROTECTED]: {| border=1 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=0 ! SUPER Version !! 3d FPS !! app1 !! app2 !! app3 !! boot1 !! boot2 !! harddisc1 !! harddisc2 10.0 03.102005 - [[SLICK]] (with [[SUPER preloading]] and binary drivers) || 1944.400 || 4 || 3 || 23 || 33

Re: [opensuse-optimize] nvidia and ati driver

2005-10-04 Thread Andreas Girardet
On Wed, Oct 5, 2005 at 12:49 am, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also tried the ATI driver install on my Dell Latitude C510 (Has the ATI Mobility chipset) and sax test failed...tried anyway and x would not come up...even after uninstalling fglrx still could not get it

Re: [opensuse-optimize] Optomise AutoRun?

2005-10-04 Thread raid517
Well I had a play previously and I'm not sure that subfs is all Suse uses. I mean subfs only handles the mounting and unmounting components, right? But what about the actual autorun feature itself? Something seems to be 'listening to the drives' looking for newly inserted media and then

[opensuse-optimize] ck6

2005-10-04 Thread Andreas Girardet
Hello team ck6 is now available in apt rpm http://opensuse.linux.co.nz/apt/suser-agirardet apt/10.0 super or yast http://opensuse.linux.co.nz/apt/suser-agirardet/10.0 Andreas openSUSE is SUPER: To help in the SUSE Performance Enhanced Release project visit