Re: [opensuse] SOAPpy doesnt compile on openSuse 10.2

2006-12-26 Thread Cristian Rodriguez R.
Irfan Habib wrote: Hi, I'm trying to compile SOAPpy into my python installation in openSuse 10.2, however I'm getting this error: it does not support python 2.5 you need to get current version from the SVN to make it work http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pywebsvcs/trunk/SOAPpy/

[opensuse] new issue in SuSE 10.2: Down and End key always bring up computer panel

2006-12-26 Thread Zhang Weiwu
I got this really disturbing problem after upgraded to SuSE 10.2: whenever I press the down arrow key or the End key, it always make SuSE pop up Computer panel (the panel that look like start menu in Windows). I hit down or End button once every 50 seconds, that means every hour I get annoyed by

Re: [opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.2 Laptop runs hot after resume

2006-12-26 Thread Andre Truter
On 12/26/06, Andre Truter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Now I wonder if it only fails if the temperature goes above a certain level and you connect the AC again, or maybe it is if it has been on battery for a certain time, because it has happened a few times in the past that when I run on

Re: [opensuse] ZenUpdater/installer/Smart v. Opensuse Updater v. Yast

2006-12-26 Thread John Andersen
On Monday 25 December 2006 21:05, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote: Karl Agee wrote: Ok so the default update/software mechanism in opensuse 10.2 is ZMD Zenworks,Unfortunately yes. So what is this thing I see in there called opensuse updater? it is the light at the end of the tunnel..;)

Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse

2006-12-26 Thread John Andersen
On Monday 25 December 2006 19:28, Jay Smith wrote: You rarely get instant gratification on these mailing lists cause solving these problems is a process. I don't think you can expect to go to a mailing list such as this or any linux mailing list and expect an easy answer. Actually my

Re: [opensuse] Boxed 10.2 orders

2006-12-26 Thread John Andersen
On Monday 25 December 2006 16:19, Clint Tinsley wrote: But in openSuSE's defense, this is a community distribution, What part if it strikes you as a community distribution? Do you or I have a vote on what goes in it? scuze me while I suck a few more rpms off of Packman and Guru to get my

Re: [opensuse] Boxed 10.2 orders

2006-12-26 Thread John Andersen
On Monday 25 December 2006 15:32, J Sloan wrote: I ordered my 10.2 boxed set yesterday, with 2nd day air - but if they take a friggin week to ship it, I've just wasted my money. IANAL, but does this not come perilously close to the definition of fraud? -- _

Re: [opensuse] Boxed 10.2 orders

2006-12-26 Thread John Andersen
On Monday 25 December 2006 15:17, Fred A. Miller wrote: Well, there are a number of users who should buy the Novell release, like those who are dependant on the manual, are bound to phone lines for Net. access, or are newbies. I have clients who are in all 3 groups! Don't forget those users

Re: [opensuse] new issue in SuSE 10.2: Down and End key always bring up computer panel

2006-12-26 Thread Theo v. Werkhoven
Tue, 26 Dec 2006, by [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I got this really disturbing problem after upgraded to SuSE 10.2: whenever I press the down arrow key or the End key, it always make SuSE pop up Computer panel (the panel that look like start menu in Windows). I hit down or End button once every 50

[opensuse] Kaspersky and openSUSE 10.2

2006-12-26 Thread Frank Murphy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As I use Kav on all Billys boxes, thought I would try it. How do I know if I succeeded in compiling? Would you like to compile the kavmonitor module [Y]: y Enter the linux kernel source path [/lib/modules/2.6.18.2-34-default/build]: checking

Re: [opensuse] Kaspersky and openSUSE 10.2

2006-12-26 Thread Anders Norrbring
Frank Murphy wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As I use Kav on all Billys boxes, thought I would try it. How do I know if I succeeded in compiling? Would you like to compile the kavmonitor module [Y]: y Enter the linux kernel source path

[opensuse] Re: Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Joachim Schrod
Randall R Schulz wrote: On Monday 25 December 2006 07:19, Mathias Homann wrote: ... Now, imagine an internet where all users know what they're doing... How much do you know about the fabrication and / or the internal function of these ordinary things or systems: - Automobiles - Farms -

Re: [opensuse] 'Goes along with those mad at Novell/SUSE and leave.

2006-12-26 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Mon, Dec 25, 2006 at 04:54:34PM -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote: On Monday December 25 2006 5:10 am, Marcus Meissner wrote: You can't win the desktop if you don't even try. Right now, few in the Linux world are seriously trying. And time is running out.

Re: [opensuse] ZenUpdater/installer/Smart v. Opensuse Updater v. Yast

2006-12-26 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Mon, Dec 25, 2006 at 10:48:57AM -0800, Karl Agee wrote: Ok so the default update/software mechanism in opensuse 10.2 is ZMD/Smart. So what is this thing I see in there called opensuse updater? Does it run off the same database as ZMD what about using Yast for software

Re: [opensuse] Boxed 10.2 orders

2006-12-26 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Mon, Dec 25, 2006 at 03:44:33PM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: On Monday 25 December 2006 15:21, Tom Patton wrote: Ok, now this is really wierd and disturbing... I just received a second reply from Digital River, and it conflicts with the first backorder excuse. Correct me if I'm

[opensuse] Re: Boxed 10.2 orders

2006-12-26 Thread Russ Fineman
Tom Patton wrote: Ok, now this is really wierd and disturbing... I just received a second reply from Digital River, and it conflicts with the first backorder excuse. WHAT IS custom order about the OpenSuse10.2 boxed set Is this a US ONLY release??? I guess

Re: [opensuse] Boxed 10.2 orders

2006-12-26 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Tue, Dec 26, 2006 at 12:51:21AM -0900, John Andersen wrote: On Monday 25 December 2006 16:19, Clint Tinsley wrote: But in openSuSE's defense, this is a community distribution, What part if it strikes you as a community distribution? Do you or I have a vote on what goes in it?

Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Mike McMullin
On Mon, 2006-12-25 at 16:05 +, John K Masters wrote: On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 17:00:14 +0100 (CET) Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2006-12-25 at 10:45 -0500, Mike McMullin wrote: In a word: install those things

Re: [opensuse] Re: Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread John Pierce
Back about 1998 I was a newbie, I remember my first install and the fun I had. I installed Redhat downloaded and did the rpm install. I got the the log in prompt and logged in as root. I had no clue how to do even a simple directory listing. I went back to windows and surfed the web, i found

Re: [opensuse] 'Goes along with those mad at Novell/SUSE and leave.

2006-12-26 Thread Mike McMullin
On Mon, 2006-12-25 at 08:11 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: On Monday 25 December 2006 07:10, Mike McMullin wrote: ... In fact, I see no danger to Linux because you cannot destroy an idea. Linux is too entrenched and too important to far too many individuals and organizations,

Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Kai Ponte
On Monday 25 December 2006 04:39, Niels Østergaard Kjær wrote: many fine letters on the goodbye subject and the subject installs as a secondary desktop. There is a third aspect too, the Linux wall. As a newbie we have to fight the total lack of knowledge (it is X-mas so we suppose it is

Re: [opensuse] 'Goes along with those mad at Novell/SUSE and leave.

2006-12-26 Thread Peter Van Lone
On 12/24/06, Randall R Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you define what you mean when you say: - enough of a critical mass - to matter - leverage control - onramps to the information highway - game over - meaningful access - most internet content - islands - hopeless, irrelevant rebellion -

Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Kai Ponte
On Monday 25 December 2006 07:21, Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Dec 25 2006 13:39, Niels Østergaard Kjær wrote: many fine letters on the goodbye subject and the subject installs as a secondary desktop. There is a third aspect too, the Linux wall. As a newbie we have to fight the total lack

Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Kai Ponte
On Monday 25 December 2006 11:23, Mike wrote: On Monday 25 December 2006 20:16, Randall R Schulz wrote: Hell, the lowly bicycle is now a high-tech device! The same is true for very many objects and infrastructural elements. Naa. I've still got an old single speed wide handlebar, saddle seat

Re: [opensuse] Re: Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Tuesday 26 December 2006 08:04, Joachim Schrod wrote: Randall R Schulz wrote: ... Shame on us! (By which I mean us programmers and software developers!) I don't agree with that sentiment. I'm really only criticizing the job that the software profession (of which I am and have long

Re: [opensuse] 'Goes along with those mad at Novell/SUSE and leave.

2006-12-26 Thread Mike McMullin
On Mon, 2006-12-25 at 18:46 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote: On Monday December 25 2006 10:47 am, Mike McMullin wrote: But Ken, your federal government must have used some other OS before switching to Linux which means that 'they' are a fickle lot and will switch from Linux at a drop of a

Re: [opensuse] 'Goes along with those mad at Novell/SUSE and leave.

2006-12-26 Thread Randall R Schulz
Peter, On Tuesday 26 December 2006 08:54, Peter Van Lone wrote: ... Again, I agree with you generally Randall ... however I find myself wondering why your responses are framed in such agressive language? Ask the questions, push the author to be specific about what he means ... but I believe

Re: [opensuse] Re: Boxed 10.2 orders

2006-12-26 Thread jfweber
On Tue December 26 2006 11:24 am, Russ Fineman scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer: Tom Patton wrote: Ok, now this is really wierd and disturbing... I just received a second reply from Digital River, and it conflicts with the first backorder excuse. WHAT

Re: [opensuse] Re: Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread jdd
Randall R Schulz a écrit : Once you buy software, you should not be expected to also buy training in the use of that software. when you buy a car, you may have a licence, and this mean you may have learned to drive it computers are particular things, because they can do simple things AND

Re: [opensuse] Re: Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Michael Nelson
On Tue, Dec 26, 2006 at 10:38:10AM -0600, John Pierce wrote: Back about 1998 I was a newbie, I remember my first install and the fun I had. I installed Redhat downloaded and did the rpm install. I got the the log in prompt and logged in as root. I had no clue how to do even a simple

Re: [opensuse] 'Goes along with those mad at Novell/SUSE and leave.

2006-12-26 Thread jdd
Randall R Schulz a écrit : Probably true, but I read and participate in a lot of on-line debates (not just on the SuSE forums), and I'm growing progressively more weary of and frustrated with poorly thought out, poorly phrased, overly emotional or downright irrelevant arguments people throw

Re: [opensuse] Boxed 10.2 orders

2006-12-26 Thread Tom Patton
On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 17:24 +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote: On Mon, Dec 25, 2006 at 03:44:33PM -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: On Monday 25 December 2006 15:21, Tom Patton wrote: Ok, now this is really wierd and disturbing... I just received a second reply from Digital River, and it

Re: [opensuse] 'Goes along with those mad at Novell/SUSE and leave.

2006-12-26 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Tuesday 26 December 2006 09:15, jdd wrote: Randall R Schulz a écrit : Probably true, but I read and participate in a lot of on-line debates (not just on the SuSE forums), and I'm growing progressively more weary of and frustrated with poorly thought out, poorly phrased, overly

Re: [opensuse] Re: Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread James Knott
Michael Nelson wrote: On Tue, Dec 26, 2006 at 10:38:10AM -0600, John Pierce wrote: Back about 1998 I was a newbie, I remember my first install and the fun I had. I installed Redhat downloaded and did the rpm install. I got the the log in prompt and logged in as root. I had no clue how

Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse

2006-12-26 Thread Per Jessen
John Andersen wrote: Actually my experience is that you get your answer to all solvable problems usually within an hour of posting on the list. Unsolvable problems (hardware problems, and those questions so arcane and obscure as to require kernel hackers to respond) tend to never get

Re: [opensuse] Boxed 10.2 orders

2006-12-26 Thread Per Jessen
John Andersen wrote: On Monday 25 December 2006 15:32, J Sloan wrote: I ordered my 10.2 boxed set yesterday, with 2nd day air - but if they take a friggin week to ship it, I've just wasted my money. IANAL, but does this not come perilously close to the definition of fraud? Breach of

Re: [opensuse] Boxed 10.2 orders

2006-12-26 Thread J Sloan
John Andersen wrote: On Monday 25 December 2006 15:32, J Sloan wrote: I ordered my 10.2 boxed set yesterday, with 2nd day air - but if they take a friggin week to ship it, I've just wasted my money. IANAL, but does this not come perilously close to the definition of fraud? Indeed it

Re: [opensuse] Re: Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Tuesday 26 December 2006 09:14, jdd wrote: Randall R Schulz a écrit : Once you buy software, you should not be expected to also buy training in the use of that software. when you buy a car, you may have a licence, and this mean you may have learned to drive it Of course. But once

Re: [opensuse] Re: Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Simon Roberts
- Original Message Randall R Schulz a écrit : Once you buy software, you should not be expected to also buy training in the use of that software. You can't expect to buy the software and the training at the price of the software alone. Particularly if the software is free! You

Re: [opensuse] 'Goes along with those mad at Novell/SUSE and leave.

2006-12-26 Thread J Sloan
Randall R Schulz wrote: Peter, On Tuesday 26 December 2006 08:54, Peter Van Lone wrote: ... Again, I agree with you generally Randall ... however I find myself wondering why your responses are framed in such agressive language? Ask the questions, push the author to be specific about

[opensuse] Re: this is a community distribution (was: Boxed 10.2 orders)

2006-12-26 Thread Per Jessen
John Andersen wrote: On Monday 25 December 2006 16:19, Clint Tinsley wrote: But in openSuSE's defense, this is a community distribution, What part if it strikes you as a community distribution? Do you or I have a vote on what goes in it? Yes you do. Well, maybe not explicitly a vote,

Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Per Jessen
Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Dec 26 2006 08:54, Kai Ponte wrote: In any case, those of us who are complaining that Linux or BSD are not like Windows do so because we want to accomplish tasks like our friends, family and peers do. Then use Windows if you fail to do it on Linux. (This is what LNW

Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Kai Ponte
On Tuesday 26 December 2006 10:55, Per Jessen wrote: Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Dec 26 2006 08:54, Kai Ponte wrote: In any case, those of us who are complaining that Linux or BSD are not like Windows do so because we want to accomplish tasks like our friends, family and peers do. Then use

Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Dec 26 2006 19:55, Per Jessen wrote: Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Dec 26 2006 08:54, Kai Ponte wrote: In any case, those of us who are complaining that Linux or BSD are not like Windows do so because we want to accomplish tasks like our friends, family and peers do. Then use Windows if you

Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Dec 26 2006 10:58, Kai Ponte wrote: I'm not sure what LNW or FNW are tho'. The Linux is not Windows and FreeBSD is not Windows articles. -`J' -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [opensuse] Boxed 10.2 orders

2006-12-26 Thread Verner Kjærsgaard
Tirsdag 26 december 2006 01:32 skrev J Sloan: Tom Patton wrote: Dear Tom Patton, The product that you have purchased is a made to order product. This means when the order is placed, our manufacturing department starts the process of creating the product, this can take up to 7 business

[opensuse] Re: memories? (was: Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall)

2006-12-26 Thread Per Jessen
Michael Nelson wrote: Heh... memories. Before the www and Linux was around, I had been running FidoNet BBS systems on DOS and OS/2. I got laid off from my job and decided I wanted to learn something completely new (to me), so I decided to install Unix. A friend had a set of Esix

Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Per Jessen
Jan Engelhardt wrote: If my water supply is out of order, I gotta call some technician to fix it. Right. So should users when they are unable to use the Internet. How very accurately put! This is the situation in a nutshell. People believe a computer is easy to use/fix/maintain, and does

Re: [opensuse] Re: Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread jdd
Randall R Schulz a écrit : And no one is required to know about how modern (or even primitive) automobile technologies really work. They rightly expect to buy a car, fuel it up, drive it around, give it periodic maintenance and occasional repair (it's a mechanical device, and wear and failure

Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2006-12-26 at 11:38 -0500, Mike McMullin wrote: On Mon, 2006-12-25 at 16:05 +, John K Masters wrote: On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 17:00:14 +0100 (CET) Carlos E. R. wrote: Perhaps some of us ought to sit down and write this stuff

Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Per Jessen
Kai Ponte wrote: Absolutely and it is good advice too. I do the same, though I've recently also begun to use vmware. Oh, I do that too, if I have to. So far, I've bee okay with Crossover office, but I might eventually need vmware. The only need I have for VMware is to run Windows-only

[opensuse] Size of DVD Download

2006-12-26 Thread Russbucket
Does anyone no the size of the 10.2 DVD download? This will be the first time I try burning a version of SUSE. After download do I burn an ISO DVD with K3B. What are the best setup options for the burning. -- Russ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [opensuse] Size of DVD Download

2006-12-26 Thread Per Jessen
Russbucket wrote: Does anyone no the size of the 10.2 DVD download? Check it out in your browser: http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/opensuse/distribution/10.2/iso/dvd/ Index of /ftp/mirror/opensuse/distribution/10.2/iso/dvd Icon NameLast modified

Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Dec 26 2006 20:20, Per Jessen wrote: Jan Engelhardt wrote: If my water supply is out of order, I gotta call some technician to fix it. Right. So should users when they are unable to use the Internet. How very accurately put! This is the situation in a nutshell. People believe a computer

Re: [opensuse] Re: memories?

2006-12-26 Thread James Knott
Per Jessen wrote: Michael Nelson wrote: Heh... memories. Before the www and Linux was around, I had been running FidoNet BBS systems on DOS and OS/2. I got laid off from my job and decided I wanted to learn something completely new (to me), so I decided to install Unix. A friend had

[opensuse] Re: memories?

2006-12-26 Thread Stevens
On Tuesday 26 December 2006 13:55, James Knott wrote: The oldest computer I worked on didn't even have a display. It was a special purpose machine, made by Teleregister and installed at the Toronto Stock Exchange in 1952. It used vacuum tubes, relays and a memory drum. It was older than

[opensuse] Kate Document Tab

2006-12-26 Thread Kai Ponte
I don't know if this is the right place to post, but I have a Kate-related question. Whenever I open a text file (php, txt, htm, asp, sql) in Kate, which I do quite often, I see a tab on the left showing the open documents I have. I can click it to minimize it to the left, but it always is

Re: [opensuse] Re: Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Tuesday 26 December 2006 11:11, Per Jessen wrote: Randall R Schulz wrote: ... There certainly is an issue of expectations management, but remember, this all started out by me saying that I thought the software profession has not done a good enough job. And it hasn't. I think that

Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Pascal Bleser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carlos E. R. wrote: The Tuesday 2006-12-26 at 11:38 -0500, Mike McMullin wrote: On Mon, 2006-12-25 at 16:05 +, John K Masters wrote: On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 17:00:14 +0100 (CET) Carlos E. R. wrote: Perhaps some of us ought to sit down and

[opensuse] 10.2 Constantly rebooting after install

2006-12-26 Thread Ian Collins
Hi, I'm just clean installing 10.2 on a PC (an Intel box that used to run 10.0). The install went OK but this particular machine boots/Starts network/reads /etc/init.d/boot.local (which is empty) and then enters runlevel 6 (i.e. reboots). We booted on the rescue cd, mounted the root disk as

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 Constantly rebooting after install

2006-12-26 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Dec 27 2006 10:17, Ian Collins wrote: Hi, I'm just clean installing 10.2 on a PC (an Intel box that used to run 10.0). The install went OK but this particular machine boots/Starts network/reads /etc/init.d/boot.local (which is empty) and then enters runlevel 6 (i.e. reboots).

Re: [opensuse] Re: Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Tuesday 26 December 2006 10:39, Simon Roberts wrote: - Original Message Randall R Schulz a écrit : Once you buy software, you should not be expected to also buy training in the use of that software. You can't expect to buy the software and the training at the price of

Re: [opensuse] Size of DVD Download

2006-12-26 Thread James Knott
Russbucket wrote: Does anyone no the size of the 10.2 DVD download? No, that's one of the worlds great mysteries. ;-) Actually, the sizes are listed on the download site. http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/iso/ This will be the first time I try burning a version of SUSE.

Re: [opensuse] Re: memories?

2006-12-26 Thread James Knott
Stevens wrote: On Tuesday 26 December 2006 13:55, James Knott wrote: The oldest computer I worked on didn't even have a display. It was a special purpose machine, made by Teleregister and installed at the Toronto Stock Exchange in 1952. It used vacuum tubes, relays and a memory drum.

Re: [opensuse] Kaspersky and openSUSE 10.2

2006-12-26 Thread Pete Connolly
On Tuesday 26 December 2006 13:01, Frank Murphy wrote: 3(NXDOMAIN):/opt/kaspersky/kav4fs/lib/bin/setup # and why has bash changed to (NXDOMAIN)? Frank Hi Frank Don't know about Kaspersky, but I believe the (NXDOMAIN) problem is tied into the dhcp setup on your machine. I had the same

Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Jos van Kan
Pascal Bleser wrote: Carlos E. R. wrote: (snip) We may be angry or mad or distressed or whatever, but Novell can't do otherwise: they could be sued. Even a threat to be sued can be damaging for them, they are a USA company. That's my understanding; how do you say? Ah, IANAL. So, that

Re: [opensuse] Kate Document Tab

2006-12-26 Thread Jos van Kan
Kai Ponte wrote: I don't know if this is the right place to post, but I have a Kate-related question. Whenever I open a text file (php, txt, htm, asp, sql) in Kate, which I do quite often, I see a tab on the left showing the open documents I have. I can click it to minimize it to the

Re: [opensuse] Re: memories? (was: Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall)

2006-12-26 Thread Michael Nelson
On Tue, Dec 26, 2006 at 08:17:41PM +0100, Per Jessen wrote: FWIW you got the easy end of the stick Stick? We had sticks too! When I first started with computers there were no computers, no keyboards, no monitors, no LEDs. We used the sticks to scratch 1s and 0s in the dirt! Dirt? You guys

Re: [opensuse] Re: memories?

2006-12-26 Thread James Knott
Michael Nelson wrote: On Tue, Dec 26, 2006 at 08:17:41PM +0100, Per Jessen wrote: FWIW you got the easy end of the stick Stick? We had sticks too! When I first started with computers there were no computers, no keyboards, no monitors, no LEDs. We used the sticks to scratch 1s

Re: [opensuse] Size of DVD Download

2006-12-26 Thread James Knott
Russbucket wrote: On Tue December 26 2006 13:30, James Knott wrote: Russbucket wrote: Does anyone no the size of the 10.2 DVD download? No, that's one of the worlds great mysteries. ;-) Actually, the sizes are listed on the download site.

Re: [opensuse] Re: memories?

2006-12-26 Thread James Knott
James Knott wrote: Michael Nelson wrote: On Tue, Dec 26, 2006 at 08:17:41PM +0100, Per Jessen wrote: FWIW you got the easy end of the stick Stick? We had sticks too! When I first started with computers there were no computers, no keyboards, no monitors, no LEDs.

[opensuse] Profile switch at boot doesn't work

2006-12-26 Thread James Knott
I use profiles to configure my notebook for home, DHCP and WiFi modes. While I can switch profiles after logging in, I can't while booting. I should be able to press the F3 key, select the profile and continue on. However, when I do that, the previous profile remains. This worked properly in

[opensuse] Profile switch at boot doesn't work

2006-12-26 Thread James Knott
Forgot to mention. I'm running SUSE 10.2. I use profiles to configure my notebook for home, DHCP and WiFi modes. While I can switch profiles after logging in, I can't while booting. I should be able to press the F3 key, select the profile and continue on. However, when I do that, the previous

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 Constantly rebooting after install

2006-12-26 Thread Ian Collins
Hi, /etc/inittab was fine. Just figured it out (type of) - the grub menu.lst had a 6 in it (i.e. to go to runlevel 6). Removing that fixed the problem - what I don't know was why the installer had put in a 6 - it hadn't done it on any other machines. Cheers, Ian. Jan Engelhardt wrote: On

Re: [opensuse] Re: memories?

2006-12-26 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Tuesday 26 December 2006 14:26, James Knott wrote: ... PS: I used to stay after work to play Dungeon on the company DEC PDP11/70 on a character mode terminal. Maybe it wasn't called Dungeon.. You are in a maze of twisty passages, all the same was a key line where I frequently got

[opensuse] 10.2 boxed set arrived

2006-12-26 Thread Sargon
I just arrived home from work, and what a surprise: my 10.2 boxed set was waiting for me. And I never received a shipping notice from Digital River. Go figure. Hopefully the rest of you who are waiting will receive your orders soon. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Billie Erin Walsh
Per Jessen wrote: Jan Engelhardt wrote: If my water supply is out of order, I gotta call some technician to fix it. Right. So should users when they are unable to use the Internet. How very accurately put! This is the situation in a nutshell. People believe a computer is easy to

Re: [opensuse] Kate Document Tab

2006-12-26 Thread Kai Ponte
On Tuesday 26 December 2006 13:58, Jos van Kan wrote: Kai Ponte wrote: I don't know if this is the right place to post, but I have a Kate-related question. Whenever I open a text file (php, txt, htm, asp, sql) in Kate, which I do quite often, I see a tab on the left showing the open

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 boxed set arrived

2006-12-26 Thread Bruce Marshall
On Tuesday 26 December 2006 18:32, Sargon wrote: I just arrived home from work, and what a surprise: my 10.2 boxed set was waiting for me. And I never received a shipping notice from Digital River. Go figure. Hopefully the rest of you who are waiting will receive your orders soon. I

Re: [opensuse] Size of DVD Download

2006-12-26 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2006-12-26 at 14:08 -0800, Russbucket wrote: I looked at the site and did not see a size but I'll go back and look again! Thats' to Per and James for the quick response. Log in to any of ftp mirror sites; any ftp client will tell

Re: [opensuse] Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2006-12-26 at 22:12 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote: So, that information has to go elsewhere. You mention another non official site: that could be a possibility. That non-official site is here: http://opensuse-community.org Did I

Re: [opensuse] Re: Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2006-12-26 at 13:25 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: ... Cooking and photography are arts. Using a computer should not be. You have to distinguish, say, writing a novel or a screen play from operating word-processing software. The

RE: [opensuse] 10.2 boxed set arrived

2006-12-26 Thread Van A Dorsey
Got mine in TX. -Original Message- From: Bruce Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 7:17 PM To: opensuse Subject: Re: [opensuse] 10.2 boxed set arrived On Tuesday 26 December 2006 18:32, Sargon wrote: I just arrived home from work, and what a surprise:

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 boxed set arrived

2006-12-26 Thread Sunny
On 12/26/06, Sargon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just arrived home from work, and what a surprise: my 10.2 boxed set was waiting for me. And I never received a shipping notice from Digital River. Go figure. Hopefully the rest of you who are waiting will receive your orders soon. I got

[opensuse] Save YaST software config

2006-12-26 Thread Jay Smith
So I do a lot of Linux installs and I want to start using OpenSuSE instead of Ubuntu. With Ubuntu's synaptic, you can save all the markings you've made in synaptic so if you ever did a fresh install, you could open the markings and reinstall everything on ubuntu the way you had it. It made

[opensuse] astrolog

2006-12-26 Thread Glenn Holmer
Remember this astrology program that used to come with SUSE? Anybody know where I can find sources that will compile under SUSE 10.2? -- Glenn Holmer (Q-Link: ShadowM) http://www.lyonlabs.org/commodore/c64.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 boxed set arrived

2006-12-26 Thread Tom Patton
Well...maybe mine will be at the office in the morning...vacation's over... Tom in NM On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 21:19 -0600, Sunny wrote: On 12/26/06, Sargon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just arrived home from work, and what a surprise: my 10.2 boxed set was waiting for me. And I never

[opensuse] Re: [opensuse-security] Security report from rkhunter on default install of openSUSE 10.2

2006-12-26 Thread John Andersen
On Tuesday 26 December 2006 14:03, Pavel Chalupa wrote: Hi, is there anybody who can explain the security report generated by rkhunter? At first: default install includes SSHD with remote root login allow, all users remote login allowed, SSH protocol 1 allowed... during install is SSH

Re: [opensuse] Save YaST software config

2006-12-26 Thread John Andersen
On Tuesday 26 December 2006 18:15, Jay Smith wrote: So I do a lot of Linux installs and I want to start using OpenSuSE instead of Ubuntu. With Ubuntu's synaptic, you can save all the markings you've made in synaptic so if you ever did a fresh install, you could open the markings and reinstall

Re: [opensuse] Re: memories?

2006-12-26 Thread Tom Patton
Hey, thanks for the reminder, I just found it in my 9.3, showing the kids now. Does anyone remember Lisa the analyst? That'll blow the kids minds! Or was it Elsie...durn can't remember now! Or the infamous Y-wing??? Tom in NM On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 15:09 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: On

Re: [opensuse] Re: Goodbye to suse and why not stay, The Linux Wall

2006-12-26 Thread Rajko M.
On Tuesday 26 December 2006 15:25, Randall R Schulz wrote: ... Cooking and photography are arts. Using a computer should not be. Well, since when making scrambled eggs, or using point and click camera is art, and some people miss even that little skills. Computer is complex device that can

Re: [opensuse] 'Goes along with those mad at Novell/SUSE and leave.

2006-12-26 Thread Fred A. Miller
On Tuesday December 26 2006 11:59 am, Mike McMullin wrote: On Mon, 2006-12-25 at 18:46 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote: On Monday December 25 2006 10:47 am, Mike McMullin wrote: But Ken, your federal government must have used some other OS before switching to Linux which means that 'they'

Re: [opensuse] Re: memories?

2006-12-26 Thread Rajko M.
On Tuesday 26 December 2006 23:33, Tom Patton wrote: ... Does anyone remember Lisa the analyst? That'll blow the kids minds! Or was it Elsie...durn can't remember now! ... Try Emacs. It has the module that works like Elisa, but don't ask me exact name, I still have no Emacs installed. --

Re: [opensuse] Re: memories?

2006-12-26 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Tuesday 26 December 2006 21:33, Tom Patton wrote: Hey, thanks for the reminder, I just found it in my 9.3, showing the kids now. Does anyone remember Lisa the analyst? That'll blow the kids minds! Or was it Elsie...durn can't remember now! There are lots of Eliza implementations out

Re: [opensuse] Re: memories?

2006-12-26 Thread Fred A. Miller
On Tuesday December 26 2006 2:55 pm, James Knott wrote: FWIW you got the easy end of the stick - you should have started with me on IBM, NCR and Burroughs mainframes in 1984.  X? GUI? Mouse? Nah, everything was 80x25.  We moved up to 80x32 a couple of years later. Now that was progress!  

Re: [opensuse] Re: memories?

2006-12-26 Thread Tom Patton
On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 21:54 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: On Tuesday 26 December 2006 21:33, Tom Patton wrote: There are lots of Eliza implementations out there. Here's an on-line version: http://nlp-addiction.com/eliza/. It was really a pretty stupid program. Agreed...but good

Re: [opensuse] Boxed 10.2 orders

2006-12-26 Thread John Andersen
On Tuesday 26 December 2006 07:25, Marcus Meissner wrote: On Tue, Dec 26, 2006 at 12:51:21AM -0900, John Andersen wrote: On Monday 25 December 2006 16:19, Clint Tinsley wrote: But in openSuSE's defense, this is a community distribution, What part if it strikes you as a community

Re: [opensuse] astrolog

2006-12-26 Thread Per Jessen
Glenn Holmer wrote: Remember this astrology program that used to come with SUSE? Anybody know where I can find sources that will compile under SUSE 10.2? A little googling finds: http://www.astrolog.org/astrolog/astfile.htm Compiles fine in 10.1. It's missing a library, that's all.