On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 16:52 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
By the way... I know of at least one e-commerce institution that does not
accept credit card payment from Internet. It has to be bank transfer, or
postal payment on arrival (which is more expensive). I wonder why.
Either better laws
An African charity my church works does micro loans to help really small
businesses. These are not cash but small bank accounts secured with
cards, passwords and fingerprint readers which also check for a pulse.
This last eliminating the cut finger risk and well publicized to save
the customers
On Monday 26 March 2007, David Brodbeck wrote:
It's not just snatch/grab thugs you have to worry about. Identity theft
has gotten pretty sophisticated.
Agreed. Sophisticated enough not to have to steal your lap top to get what
they want.
Unless combined with full disc encryption finger print
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The Monday 2007-03-26 at 21:27 -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
Well, this gang manufactured so good devices that they did an extra
business out of selling the devices... This is not SciFi, it is happening.
My father was stolen 1200 eur this
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The Monday 2007-03-26 at 23:42 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
Well, this gang manufactured so good devices that they did an extra
business out of selling the devices... This is not SciFi, it is happening.
My father was stolen 1200 eur this way.
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The Tuesday 2007-03-27 at 00:47 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
Unless combined with full disc encryption finger print readers are likely
just as secure as pins for the purpose of securing your laptop.
Absolutely.
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On Tue, 2007-03-27 at 11:48 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Tuesday 2007-03-27 at 00:47 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
Unless combined with full disc encryption finger print readers are likely
just as secure as pins for the purpose of securing
On Tuesday 27 March 2007, Dave Cotton wrote:
On Tue, 2007-03-27 at 11:48 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Tuesday 2007-03-27 at 00:47 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
Unless combined with full disc encryption finger print readers are
likely
Dave Cotton wrote:
It also
begs the question why the hell this information was even on a laptop in
a car?
Outsourcing? Outside audits? The company I work for is publicly traded
and we're required to have an outside company audit our books. They
arrive en masse with...you guessed
On Sunday 25 March 2007, David Brodbeck wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
The replication of the finger print is a bit beyond the skills of
the ordinary snatch-n-run artist. Some one has been watching
too much CSI: Miami.
You can dismiss it if you want, but it's been demonstrated using fairly
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2007-03-25 at 13:19 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:
No, you throw them away when you see a hold up comming, so that
they can't
force you to give up the pin. For instance :-)
The problem with that is that many times, all you need to buy with a
credit
card
ka1ifq wrote:
On Saturday 24 March 2007 13:34, David Brodbeck wrote:
Rajko M. wrote:
2) Is there any bank that is asking for such identification for credit
cards? There will be no so much problems with stolen identities if they
would.
Fingerprint readers are not foolproof.
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The Monday 2007-03-26 at 08:59 +0100, G.T.Smith wrote:
By the way... I know of at least one e-commerce institution that does not
accept credit card payment from Internet. It has to be bank transfer, or
postal payment on arrival (which is more
On Mon 26 Mar 2007 07:59, G.T.Smith wrote:
Probably means that they do not have, or unable to get a credit card
trader account, which apparently can be expensive to set up and
maintain.
- I do not understand the trader account machinery . . . maybe using
PayPal can work good?
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On Mon 26 Mar 2007 07:59, G.T.Smith wrote:
Probably means that they do not have, or unable to get a credit card
trader account, which apparently can be expensive to set up and
maintain.
- I do not understand the trader account machinery . . . maybe using
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2007-03-26 at 08:59 +0100, G.T.Smith wrote:
By the way... I know of at least one e-commerce institution that
does not
accept credit card payment from Internet. It has to be bank
transfer, or
postal payment on arrival (which is more expensive). I wonder
John Andersen wrote:
On Sunday 25 March 2007, David Brodbeck wrote:
You can dismiss it if you want, but it's been demonstrated using fairly
crude materials and methods. For example:
http://www.dansdata.com/uareu.htm
I will in fact dismiss it.
Until my lap top goes missing.
On Monday 26 March 2007, David Brodbeck wrote:
What you're missing is that the same technique has been successfully
done using only a latent print lifted from an object.
Not according to that article.
That article described a method any Jr High school student could master.
Lifting a print and
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The Monday 2007-03-26 at 19:09 +0100, G.T.Smith wrote:
No, not that. The accept credit card for business accounts they know
previously, but never from private people.
As credit card transactions usually incur a charge (either directly or
John Andersen wrote:
Lifting a print and then embedding that print into a putty mold takes
significantly more skill and training than the average snatch/grab artist
is likely to muster.
I think the method involved using the latent print to etch a PC board,
then taking the mold off that.
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The Monday 2007-03-26 at 18:25 -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
Lifting a print and then embedding that print into a putty mold takes
significantly more skill and training than the average snatch/grab artist
is likely to
On Monday 26 March 2007 03:14, G.T.Smith wrote:
Foolproof security is a bit like like the myth of the unsinkable ship.
Exactly.
The point of security measures is to limit the number of those that can sink
the ship or have economic interest to do that.
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On Tue, 2007-03-27 at 03:52 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Monday 2007-03-26 at 18:25 -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
Lifting a print and then embedding that print into a putty mold takes
significantly more skill and
Carlos E. R. wrote:
About a month or so ago the police arrested a gang that made a
sophisticated device to put on top of bank on the wall holes or however
you call them. You know, you push your car into a slot, you type your pin,
and you get your money. Well, the trick is to put a fake
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The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 18:04 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
And in other parts of the world, no own would think of throwing away
a credit card, even an expired one without cutting it up and
disposing of the pieces in different places.
I
On Sunday 25 March 2007 12:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 18:04 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
And in other parts of the world, no own would think of throwing away
a credit card, even an expired one without cutting it up and
disposing of the pieces in different places.
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The Sunday 2007-03-25 at 13:19 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:
No, you throw them away when you see a hold up comming, so that they can't
force you to give up the pin. For instance :-)
The problem with that is that many times, all you need to
On Saturday 24 March 2007 13:34, David Brodbeck wrote:
Rajko M. wrote:
2) Is there any bank that is asking for such identification for credit
cards? There will be no so much problems with stolen identities if they
would.
Fingerprint readers are not foolproof. I remember reading an
On Sat, 2007-03-24 at 17:19 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On Saturday 24 March 2007, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 19:52 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
I know... but it was a bank manager who told me the photo is dangerous.
I would change the bank, promptly.
He is not my
On Sunday 25 March 2007 10:25, Mike McMullin wrote:
It may well be easy to fake this form of document. In which case
forcing one to present a hard to impossible to fake ID is better, IMO.
Something hard to impossible to copy, can turn as a problem.
Who can check with bare eye and little
On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 17:39 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Sunday 25 March 2007 10:25, Mike McMullin wrote:
It may well be easy to fake this form of document. In which case
forcing one to present a hard to impossible to fake ID is better, IMO.
Something hard to impossible to copy, can turn
John Andersen wrote:
The replication of the finger print is a bit beyond the skills of
the ordinary snatch-n-run artist. Some one has been watching
too much CSI: Miami.
You can dismiss it if you want, but it's been demonstrated using fairly
crude materials and methods. For example:
On Friday 23 March 2007 19:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Credit cards. I heard some thugs already cut fingers to activate some
stolen cards. Might be an urban legend, tough.
1) It is the case where credit card owner will not complain about stolen card,
and wouldn't care for finger. I can imagine
On Friday 23 March 2007 19:54, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 00:35 +0100, Michael Skiba wrote:
Am Samstag, 24. März 2007 00:23 schrieb rich3800@:
What about eye iris scans? Someone can cut your fingers off but
cutting your eyes off? I imagine that the gelatinous nature
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The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 09:00 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
2) Is there any bank that is asking for such identification for credit cards?
There will be no so much problems with stolen identities if they would.
I read somewhere that there are, yes; as
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The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 08:54 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Over here Visa is running TV advertisements about how joyous and
wonderful your life will be if when you use their fingerprint readers
to confirm your Visa card purchases. It's
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The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 09:19 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
Thus, I'm against biometric security.
You bought the story?
I'm seriously worried.
For one that is ready to kill, would be easier to force someone to give the
money using a threat
On Saturday 24 March 2007 08:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 09:00 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
2) Is there any bank that is asking for such identification for
credit cards? There will be no so much problems with stolen
identities if they would.
I read somewhere that there
On Saturday 24 March 2007 10:46, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is similar to people not wanting their photo on their credit cards.
Is there reason not to have?
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Rajko M. wrote:
2) Is there any bank that is asking for such identification for credit cards?
There will be no so much problems with stolen identities if they would.
Fingerprint readers are not foolproof. I remember reading an article
not long ago where some researchers took impressions of
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The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 11:26 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Saturday 24 March 2007 10:46, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is similar to people not wanting their photo on their credit cards.
Is there reason not to have?
Yep.
In my country, we have
On Saturday 24 March 2007, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 11:26 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Saturday 24 March 2007 10:46, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is similar to people not wanting their photo on their credit cards.
Is there reason not to have?
Yep.
In my country, we have
On Saturday 24 March 2007, David Brodbeck wrote:
If someone steals your fingerprints, you're stuck. Over-reliance on
biometrics may create more problems than it solves.
Not as long as I have one more finger. I can always start
using a different finger for the reader.
The replication of the
On Saturday 24 March 2007, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have stopped using credit cards.
Some one duplicated my late father credit card and stole us 1200 Eur in
two days, the maximum for the card. The bank refused to return the money
back and we had to fight for it for months, and we only got about
On Sat, 2007-03-24 at 11:26 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Saturday 24 March 2007 10:46, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is similar to people not wanting their photo on their credit cards.
Is there reason not to have?
Oddly enough, the customers wishes work as adequate reason.
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The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 12:47 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
In my country, we have official ID cards, so the photo is not necessary.
Plus, in a pinch, you can discard the card: the tugs can not find the
owner and force him/her to give away
On Saturday 24 March 2007, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 12:47 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
In my country, we have official ID cards, so the photo is not
necessary. Plus, in a pinch, you can discard the card: the tugs can not
find the owner and force him/her to give away
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The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 15:12 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
Would they do that if your picture WAS on the card?
It seems you like to make trouble for yourself.. ;-)
I know... but it was a bank manager who told me the photo is dangerous.
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On Saturday 2007-03-24 11:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 09:00 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
2) Is there any bank that is asking for such identification for credit
cards? There will be no so much problems with stolen identities if they
would.
I read somewhere that there are,
On Saturday 24 March 2007 18:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 15:12 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
Would they do that if your picture WAS on the card?
It seems you like to make trouble for yourself.. ;-)
I know... but it was a bank manager who told me the photo is
On Saturday 24 March 2007 19:40, Ken Jennings wrote:
On Saturday 2007-03-24 11:43, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 09:00 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
2) Is there any bank that is asking for such identification for credit
cards? There will be no so much problems with stolen
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The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 19:52 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
I know... but it was a bank manager who told me the photo is dangerous.
I would change the bank, promptly.
He is not my bank manager, but happens to be my friend, so I trust him.
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On Saturday 24 March 2007, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 19:52 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
I know... but it was a bank manager who told me the photo is dangerous.
I would change the bank, promptly.
He is not my bank manager, but happens to be my friend, so I trust him.
Then
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The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 17:19 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
I would change the bank, promptly.
He is not my bank manager, but happens to be my friend, so I trust him.
Then he would not be offended if you asked him to explain himself
in
On Saturday 24 March 2007, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On the other hand, his main point was that a tug can not identify the
owner of a thrown away card just by looking at the printed photo.
And in other parts of the world, no own would think of throwing away
a credit card, even an expired one without
On Saturday 2007-03-24 19:08, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 12:47 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
In my country, we have official ID cards, so the photo is not
necessary. Plus, in a pinch, you can discard the card: the tugs can not
find the owner and force him/her to give
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Am Donnerstag, 22. März 2007 14:21 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
The Thursday 2007-03-22 at 08:42 +0100, Hans Witvliet wrote:
Remember however, that biometric is never a replacement for a password!
Fingerprints can be forged/copied
Dunno about that,
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Am Samstag, 24. März 2007 00:23 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
What about eye iris scans? Someone can cut your fingers off but
cutting your eyes off? I imagine that the gelatinous nature of eye
matter would make it very hard if not impossible to
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The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 00:35 +0100, Michael Skiba wrote:
Am Samstag, 24. März 2007 00:23 schrieb rich3800@:
What about eye iris scans? Someone can cut your fingers off but
cutting your eyes off? I imagine that the gelatinous nature of
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The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 00:12 +0100, Michael Skiba wrote:
Dunno about that, but they can be stolen, ie, the finger removed from it's
owner... I don't like biometrics unless they can prove the owner is
alive an undamaged (and make sure the
On Sat, 2007-03-10 at 18:37 -0500, Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:
I was wondering if it is poosible to add biometrics security to a laptop or
computer somehow via a usb finger scanner or whatever.
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AFAIR, there exist even a pam-module (not in the distro) for it...
Some
On Sat, 2007-03-10 at 18:37 -0500, Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:
I was wondering if it is poosible to add biometrics security to a laptop or
computer somehow via a usb finger scanner or whatever.
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AFAIR, there exist even a pam-module (not in the distro) for it...
Some
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The Thursday 2007-03-22 at 08:42 +0100, Hans Witvliet wrote:
Remember however, that biometric is never a replacement for a password!
Fingerprints can be forged/copied
Dunno about that, but they can be stolen, ie, the finger removed from it's
Michael S. Dunsavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I was wondering if it is poosible to add biometrics security to a laptop or
computer somehow via a usb finger scanner or whatever.
Yes, check the libthinkfinger package - it's part of 10.2 ;-)
Andreas
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I was wondering if it is poosible to add biometrics security to a laptop or
computer somehow via a usb finger scanner or whatever.
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