Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-24 Thread Hylton Conacher(ZR1HPC)
Steven T. Hatton wrote: It just keeps getting worse. I really don't want to change my email address, but it's all over the Internet, and the spammers are killing my inbox. I don't want to spend a lot of time on this issue, I just want to be able to block these idiots. I'm running a postfix

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-22 Thread Sandy Drobic
Carlos E. R. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2006-12-21 at 14:08 +0100, Sandy Drobic wrote: However, I understand that this is precisely what SuSE server does. You know, _I_ would be rejected otherwise ;-) The Suse server is not exactly high-volume. It may

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-22 Thread Fred A. Miller
On Wednesday December 20 2006 3:32 pm, Steven T. Hatton wrote: It just keeps getting worse. I really don't want to change my email address, but it's all over the Internet, and the spammers are killing my inbox. I don't want to spend a lot of time on this issue, I just want to be able to

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-21 Thread Joachim Kieferle
Steven T. Hatton wrote: On Wednesday 20 December 2006 16:10, Joachim Kieferle wrote: Steven T. Hatton wrote: It just keeps getting worse. I really don't want to change my email address, but it's all over the Internet, and the spammers are killing my inbox. I don't want to spend a lot

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-21 Thread Sandy Drobic
Joachim Kieferle wrote: [RBLs listed] Well, I'm still getting mail from this list, so it's not blocking everything. It will take some time to determine if I've blocked things I don't want blocked. So far I have no new spam in the inbox in over an hour. That is very good. Far better than

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-21 Thread Joachim Kieferle
Sandy Drobic wrote: Joachim Kieferle wrote: [RBLs listed] [... more info about blocking mails] A lot of spam is rejected by helo checks and greylisting. Sandy Hi Sandy, two questions about that: 1. could you please point to some info about how to implement helo checks (maybe a snippet

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-21 Thread John Andersen
On Wednesday 20 December 2006 23:37, Joachim Kieferle wrote: IF BY ACCIDENT a mail is blocked, the positive effect from that is, that the senders are informed about blocking (e.g. Blocked - see http://cbl.abuseat.org/lookup.cgi?ip=82.197.44.218), whereas SpamAssassin just marks the spam and

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-21 Thread Sandy Drobic
Joachim Kieferle wrote: Sandy Drobic wrote: Joachim Kieferle wrote: [RBLs listed] [... more info about blocking mails] A lot of spam is rejected by helo checks and greylisting. Sandy Hi Sandy, two questions about that: 1. could you please point to some info about how to implement helo

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-21 Thread Sandy Drobic
John Andersen wrote: On Wednesday 20 December 2006 23:37, Joachim Kieferle wrote: IF BY ACCIDENT a mail is blocked, the positive effect from that is, that the senders are informed about blocking (e.g. Blocked - see http://cbl.abuseat.org/lookup.cgi?ip=82.197.44.218), whereas SpamAssassin just

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-21 Thread Daniel Bauer
On Thursday 21 December 2006 11:26, Sandy Drobic wrote: John Andersen wrote: On Wednesday 20 December 2006 23:37, Joachim Kieferle wrote: IF BY ACCIDENT a mail is blocked, the positive effect from that is, that the senders are informed about blocking (e.g. Blocked - see

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-21 Thread Sandy Drobic
Daniel Bauer wrote: I am not at all an expert, but I dislike the option of rejecting emails due to a blacklist. I prefer to have spam in my spam-folder (after it has been marked by Spam-Assassin), where I can quickly overview the subject lines. This is only possible if you do not receive too

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-21 Thread Ted Harding
On 21-Dec-06 Daniel Bauer wrote: [...] I am not at all an expert, but I dislike the option of rejecting emails due to a blacklist. I prefer to have spam in my spam-folder (after it has been marked by Spam-Assassin), where I can quickly overview the subject lines. [...] Using blacklists for

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-21 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2006-12-21 at 11:18 +0100, Sandy Drobic wrote: 2. is there greylisting available out of the (OpenSuSE 10.2) box? Not that I am aware of. But Postgrey is not difficult to implement. Yes, it is. There is a sample in (2.1)

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-21 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2006-12-21 at 12:35 +0100, Sandy Drobic wrote: Using blacklists for warning/marking purposes seems ok to me, but letting a blacklist make decisions can be dangerous. Just my opinion. Spamassassin and consorts do that kind of

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-21 Thread Sandy Drobic
Carlos E. R. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2006-12-21 at 12:35 +0100, Sandy Drobic wrote: Using blacklists for warning/marking purposes seems ok to me, but letting a blacklist make decisions can be dangerous. Just my opinion. Spamassassin and consorts do

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-21 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2006-12-21 at 14:08 +0100, Sandy Drobic wrote: However, I understand that this is precisely what SuSE server does. You know, _I_ would be rejected otherwise ;-) The Suse server is not exactly high-volume. It may receive some ten

[opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-20 Thread Steven T. Hatton
It just keeps getting worse. I really don't want to change my email address, but it's all over the Internet, and the spammers are killing my inbox. I don't want to spend a lot of time on this issue, I just want to be able to block these idiots. I'm running a postfix mail server. Is there an

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-20 Thread Charles philip Chan
On 20 Dec 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there an easy was to thwart spam? I use the filters built into KMail, but they seem almost worthless. Install, train and use either spamassassin: http://spamassassin.apache.org/ or bogofilter: http://bogofilter.sourceforge.net/

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-20 Thread Alexey Eremenko
On 12/20/06, Steven T. Hatton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It just keeps getting worse. I really don't want to change my email address, but it's all over the Internet, and the spammers are killing my inbox. I don't want to spend a lot of time on this issue, I just want to be able to block these

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-20 Thread Bruce Marshall
On Wednesday 20 December 2006 15:32, Steven T. Hatton wrote: It just keeps getting worse.  I really don't want to change my email address, but it's all over the Internet, and the spammers are killing my inbox.  I don't want to spend a lot of time on this issue, I just want to be able to block

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-20 Thread Alexey Eremenko
such as: 1. drop all mails that include attachments. or drop all attachments. not mail itself. 2. drop all mails that include HTML/Javascript/ActiveX/Flash. so only plain text is allowed. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-20 Thread Charles philip Chan
On 20 Dec 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spamassassin - good but in my view a lot of maintenance This what cron is for. I use a script to train SA with the mails in my spam mailbox everyday and a weekly script to train SA for HAM. Charles -- printk(VFS: Busy inodes after unmount.

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-20 Thread Sandy Drobic
Steven T. Hatton wrote: It just keeps getting worse. I really don't want to change my email address, but it's all over the Internet, and the spammers are killing my inbox. I don't want to spend a lot of time on this issue, I just want to be able to block these idiots. I'm running a postfix

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-20 Thread Sandy Drobic
Joachim Kieferle wrote: Steven T. Hatton wrote: It just keeps getting worse. I really don't want to change my email address, but it's all over the Internet, and the spammers are killing my inbox. I don't want to spend a lot of time on this issue, I just want to be able to block these

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-20 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2006-12-20 at 15:32 -0500, Steven T. Hatton wrote: It just keeps getting worse. I really don't want to change my email address, but it's all over the Internet, and the spammers are killing my inbox. I don't want to spend a lot

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-20 Thread Charles philip Chan
On 20 Dec 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One (relatively) recent problems with Bayesian filters is that many SPAM messages are constructed in such a way that they poison your filters. If you train such messages as SPAM, they contain enough good text, which is irrelevant to the SPAM itself,

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-20 Thread Steven T. Hatton
On Wednesday 20 December 2006 16:10, Joachim Kieferle wrote: Steven T. Hatton wrote: It just keeps getting worse. I really don't want to change my email address, but it's all over the Internet, and the spammers are killing my inbox. I don't want to spend a lot of time on this issue, I

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-20 Thread snowcrash+opensuse
they poison your filters given a not-dissimilar question i'd asked, a helpful comment was provided here (by Matt K), http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.mail.spam.spamassassin.general/92524 that, i think, correctly names that presumption as fiction. at least, it bears consideration ... hth. --

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-20 Thread J Sloan
Steven T. Hatton wrote: It just keeps getting worse. I really don't want to change my email address, but it's all over the Internet, and the spammers are killing my inbox. I don't want to spend a lot of time on this issue, I just want to be able to block these idiots. I'm running a postfix

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated?

2006-12-20 Thread Michael Leuty
On 20/12/06, Steven T. Hatton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there an easy way to thwart spam? I let the clever chaps at Google do all the hard work for me, and pass all my mail through GMail. There are very few false negatives and even fewer false positives. Mike -- Michael Leuty Nottingham,

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated? SLIGHTLY OT

2006-12-20 Thread John Meyer
Michael Leuty wrote: On 20/12/06, Steven T. Hatton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there an easy way to thwart spam? I let the clever chaps at Google do all the hard work for me, and pass all my mail through GMail. There are very few false negatives and even fewer false positives. Mike

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated? SLIGHTLY OT

2006-12-20 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2006-12-20 at 16:16 -0700, John Meyer wrote: BTW, and maybe somebody can tell me this, is there some sort of mindset of the spammer which justifies sending out all these e-mails. Something Business... from their point of view.

Re: [opensuse] Can spam be defeated? SLIGHTLY OT

2006-12-20 Thread Sandy Drobic
Carlos E. R. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2006-12-20 at 16:16 -0700, John Meyer wrote: BTW, and maybe somebody can tell me this, is there some sort of mindset of the spammer which justifies sending out all these e-mails. Something Business... from