Current state of affairs regarding Torservers.net

2011-02-10 Thread Moritz Bartl
of this, join us at irc.oftc.net #torservers, or contact me personally on XMPP mor...@torservers.net. - -- Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNVJJVAAoJEOGPxWJITcUAcvkIALa0NvvPqU9C5hA5OcemYTAk EjREQsuE6L8TpVTN0sp4pTCxk3QJ3RQ0Ygxlz2GKLXWuopOKu8D8mE6yb0IE4WHs

Re: I wish to see one video on you tube - question about flash.

2011-02-09 Thread Moritz Bartl
? In this particular case, does it matter? However, can one actually view videos via Tor. Surely they demand too great a level of bandwith? There are several techniques to download videos from Youtube, so bandwidth doesn't matter that much if you can just wait. -- Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net

Re: Sent e-mails going into spam folders.

2011-02-09 Thread Moritz Bartl
://moblog.wiredwings.com/archives/20100501/Remove-IPs-from-Outgoing-Mail-Postfix-SMTP.html My outgoing mails are passed over my small exit anonymizer1.torservers.net, my home IP cleansed, to my ISPs mail server (see my mail headers). I haven't had problems with mail delivery so far. -- Moritz Bartl http

Re: Test Vidalia Tor Browser Bundles with libevent2

2011-02-06 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi Erinn, This has nothing to do with libevent2, but it would really be nice if the installer would remember the old Vidalia installation directory. Is there anything specific we should look out for? Successfully started it as a relay on Win7 x64, the log looks good so far. Moritz

IP WHOIS Reassignment (was: Re: cease and desist from my vps provider...)

2011-02-04 Thread Moritz Bartl
/resources/templates/reassign-detailed.txt I am not sure how it works for RIPE, but as you can see from the example above, it can be done. -- Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net/ Template: ARIN-REASSIGN-DETAILED-4.2 ** As of October 2007 ** Detailed instructions are located below the template

Re: IP WHOIS Reassignment

2011-02-04 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 04.02.2011 16:55, Moritz Bartl wrote: I am not sure how it works for RIPE, but as you can see from the example above, it can be done. What you want to ask your ISP for is ASSIGNED PA space. In constrast to provider independent IP space (PI), PA space can only be used within the network

Re: IP WHOIS Reassignment

2011-02-04 Thread Moritz Bartl
to your person object. Police investigators still prefer to use Fax. -- Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http

Re: exit node config for egypt IP range

2011-01-28 Thread Moritz Bartl
According to some Twitter users, only DNS is down. Third party DNS (or Tor) work. Moritz On 28.01.2011 18:09, Peter Thoenen wrote: All Egypt ISP are offline, the gov has turned the full internet OFF. This isn't true. I have access to some machines in Noor - this is an ISP currently active

Re: Why so many exit nodes in Absecon, New Jersey?

2011-01-23 Thread Moritz Bartl
friendly. See http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3082 -- Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org

Torservers: Update on move to UK on the association

2011-01-17 Thread Moritz Bartl
to the Tor project). -- Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/

Re: Torservers: Update on move to UK on the association

2011-01-17 Thread Moritz Bartl
be awesome to have a lot of local (ie. country-wide) similar associations pop up, and loosely connect them all through Torservers. If you want to help making this possible, talk to us! You're basically free to contribute anything you'd like to see. -- Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net

Re: Tor relay on vserver exeeding numtcpsock

2011-01-12 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, You should probably contact the ISP first to see if they will raise the limit. Mine was low on file descriptors and they upped it generously 5 minutes later (on a cheap $20 vserver). Moritz On 12.01.2011 22:02, coderman wrote: Error creating network socket: No buffer space available

Re: geeez...

2011-01-12 Thread Moritz Bartl
? I'm not sure if they come and seize your home computer if the Tor server is hosted in a data center. Olaf seems not to have run into big trouble yet (or maybe he was quick on replacing the hardware). -- Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net

Re: geeez...

2011-01-12 Thread Moritz Bartl
. -- Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net/ On 13.01.2011 00:33, Mitar wrote: Hi! But I wan't a legally binding statement from a lawyer or an official (BSI) that running TOR exit nodes in germany is legal. In Slovenia there is a law (for Internet commerce) that persons just passing data

Re: geeez...

2011-01-12 Thread Moritz Bartl
to follow the German law, even if your server is located in other countries. -- Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http

Re: geeez...

2011-01-11 Thread Moritz Bartl
only aware of a single case in Germany where that happened some years ago. If you need technical help setting up a node, the comments in torrc and the documentation on the website should help you. If not, join #tor on irc.oftc.net and I'm sure there will be someone to give you a hand. -- Moritz

Re: Index of hidden services?

2011-01-07 Thread Moritz Bartl
the idea of a central index and an option in torrc that publishes my .onion to this index (and maybe even push website changes/locally crawl the site). -- Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail

Re: Home Internet with Anonymity Built In

2011-01-06 Thread Moritz Bartl
/tor/wiki/TheOnionRouter/Torouter -- Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/

Re: Tor and google groups

2011-01-05 Thread Moritz Bartl
some sort of address verification, which is probably hard to do in a country where there is no ID or residency register. -- Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org

Re: Tor and google groups

2011-01-05 Thread Moritz Bartl
ID carries a personal identifier printed on it that should only be known to the bearer. [Source: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Deine-wichtigste-Karte-Vom-Umgang-mit-dem-neuen-Personalausweis-1133588.html ] -- Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net

Tor in German media (27c3)

2011-01-04 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, FYI: The German public radio network Deutschlandfunk put up an interview with Julius Mittenzwei, the Chaos Computer Club lawyer, about Tor. http://vimeo.com/18267378 (german only) -- Moritz http://www.torservers.net/ ***

Re: The Skype begin refusing payments making on their site through the Tor

2011-01-04 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, On 04.01.2011 14:02, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Am I missing something? Anonymous credit cards? -- Moritz *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body.

Re: Tor in German media (27c3)

2011-01-04 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, On 04.01.2011 17:46, Dirk wrote: So all I need is a competent lawyer to run as many exit nodes as I want in Germany? Most people run as many exit nodes as they want without even having a lawyer in the first place. It is not an illegal service at all. For the future, it might be a good

Re: Exit node and datacenter

2011-01-04 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, Contact your ISP and tell them what you want to do. Ask if it's possible to SWIP your IP range and attach your own abuse handle (email address). If your ISP is okay with it, I think it's worth trying the open exit policy first, and only limit it later in case you run into trouble with

Re: BDS VPNs hosting

2010-12-31 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, Am 31.12.2010 11:41, schrieb Jordi Espasa Clofent: Do you know another BSD VPS reliable provider? Networkpresence is a Torservers.net exit node sponsor in Australia and also offers BSD on their VPS plans. Australian bandwidth is very expensive though. :( http://networkpresence.com.au/

Re: Tor Email?

2010-12-29 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, The Tor Hidden Wiki lists a few other free email services offering HTTPS at: http://kpvz7ki2v5agwt35.onion/wiki/index.php/Email -- Moritz *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe

Re: Any way to secure/anonymize ALL traffic?

2010-12-22 Thread Moritz Bartl
Just as a reminder, the problem with Flash and Javascript is not only that they might be able to cirvumvent network settings. Both can gather local information and give it away - in that case it doesn't matter if the channel itself is anonymous. Moritz Am 22.12.2010 14:38, schrieb Praedor

Visualization: Tor nodes on Google Maps and Google Earth

2010-12-15 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, I wrote a small ugly Python script to visualize Tor relays on Google Maps and Google Earth. You can see the result here: * Open KML file in Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http:%2F%2Fwww.torservers.net%2Fmisc%2Ftormap%2Ftormap.kml * Download tormap.kml for Google Earth

Dmytrij's anonymous VPS

2010-12-06 Thread Moritz Bartl
From http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=1905.0 - quote - Hello bitcoiners, I'm investigating if here is a demand for anonymous VPS (virtual private servers) service. I have multicore beast server lying around, many years experiences with linux administration and also experiences

Re: Very low performance in CriptolabTORRelays*

2010-12-03 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, On 03.12.2010 13:12, Olaf Selke wrote: At least my relay holds a couple of connections to Cryptolab. We (torservers) do, too. About the same amount of connections. Moritz *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to

Re: Descriptor fingerprint format

2010-10-29 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, Am 29.10.2010 02:23, schrieb grarpamp: It also uses about 9 spaces x ~3300+ descriptors ~= 30,000 bytes of traffic for one client to pull the entire relay list. Multiply that by number of clients[?] x the frequency[?] ~= bandwidth wasted. Excuse my ignorance, but isn't the list

Re: IRQ balancing

2010-10-18 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, In case you're wondering what this is about: If you see high CPU usage on one core on your high bandwidth server (200 Mbit/s, lots of connections), it is very likely that only one of your CPU is handling network interrupts. Let me add a few things I've learned from fighting with this

Re: Restricted Exit Policy Port Suggestions?

2010-08-11 Thread Moritz Bartl
Am 11.08.2010 15:01, schrieb Harry Hoffman: There are certainly instances where takedown requests are incorrect but the frequency of them isn't high (again, my opinion). It is not so much that they are incorrect. What is incorrect is to force the takedown of Tor exit nodes because of - in

Re: Legal response to real abuse

2010-08-07 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, How can such an overly simplistic action satisfy the ISP? That simply moves the abuser down the block, it does not stop him. Is it OK if it is not in my back yard? For your ISP, that's probably exactly their rationale. The problem is that individual blocking doesn't help against the real

Re: A suggestion to TOR [a proxy server]

2010-07-26 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, On 26.07.2010 04:39, Gregory Maxwell wrote: In my experience with windows machines in computer labs, you are able to install firefox extensions without the permissions to install programs. If people subject to policy restrictions really can't install software but can install extensions

TorVTL: Transparent Proxying on Windows

2010-07-26 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, What happened to TorVTL? Did anyone look into it recently? http://www.artifex.org/~jarusl/TorVTL/ Moritz *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body.

Re: A suggestion to TOR [a proxy server]

2010-07-25 Thread Moritz Bartl
That being said, you should look into the bridge concept. http://www.torproject.org/bridges.html.en On 25.07.2010 23:50, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Praedor Atrebates prae...@yahoo.com wrote: At work I am unable to run or use tor even from a USB key - they are

Re: tor-proxy.net is official proxy site of TOR? [Sorry, i meant to say http://torproxy.net/]

2010-07-25 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, On 22.07.2010 15:24, krishna e bera wrote: That new site does not respond. Also, the same design flaw applies to ANY remote web-based proxy: it is a single concentrator and can thus is a magnet to be attacked or have its incoming connections monitored. If the connections are SSL

Re: Tor 0.2.2.14-alpha is out

2010-07-20 Thread Moritz Bartl
the selection of bridge addresses. -- Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/

Re: Automated threat messages force limitation of Exit Policy (Softlayer)

2010-06-30 Thread Moritz Bartl
: http://www.wiredwings.com/wiki/Torservers.net_Main_Page#Statistics So far, there's not been a single real conversation with anyone about the legal status. -- Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e

Re: Automated threat messages force limitation of Exit Policy (Softlayer)

2010-06-29 Thread Moritz Bartl
for x; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Fortunately, SpamCop uses my direct contact address now instead of going through my ISP. I will soon set up a (b)log about all incidents. I'll also talk to a lawyer (and friend of mine) if I am allowed to publish all complaints. -- Moritz Bartl

Fwd: Posting of links to inappropriate sites on children's website via Tor

2010-06-28 Thread Moritz Bartl
(Forwarded with permission) Original Message Subject: Posting of links to inappropriate sites on children's website via Tor Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 18:44:26 -0400 From: Amos Blanton a...@scratch.mit.edu To: ab...@torservers.net Greetings, I help manage the community on

Re: Automated threat messages force limitation of Exit Policy (Softlayer)

2010-06-27 Thread Moritz Bartl
to the exit policy. -- Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/

Re: Automated threat messages force limitation of Exit Policy (Softlayer)

2010-06-26 Thread Moritz Bartl
to make them understand what it is I'm running. When and if the IP range is SWIPed, we can think about unblocking unknown ports again. The average speed is 26 MB/s at the moment. I'm not sure what limits the speed, the server should be on a Gbit line, and our plan covers 39MB/s... -- Moritz Bartl http

Re: Automated threat messages force limitation of Exit Policy (Softlayer)

2010-06-23 Thread Moritz Bartl
able to tell your ISP that the EFF will defend you in this unlikely situation might also help your position with them. I am not so sure, as they didn't react to anything I passed on to them regarding my legal status. I am now trying again to get them to SWIP an IP range for me. -- Moritz Bartl

Re: Automated threat messages force limitation of Exit Policy (Softlayer)

2010-06-23 Thread Moritz Bartl
doesn't meet the legal requirements... -- Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/

Automated threat messages force limitation of Exit Policy (Softlayer)

2010-06-22 Thread Moritz Bartl
shut down any server at large ISPs such as Softlayer by just repeatedly sending the same - possibly unjustified - complaints. If you know of any Tor-friendly ISPs with large bandwidth plans, please let me know. -- Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net/ http://anonymizer2.torservers.net/ (stats

Re: Tor Exit Node hosting: torservers.net

2010-06-18 Thread Moritz Bartl
in Slovenia, which costs 110 EUR per month for 100 Mbit/s no other limits node, where I get 5 IPs initially but can also get more. Do you mind adding it to https://wiki.torproject.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/GoodBadISPs (or is it actually already listed?) -- Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net

Re: [tor] Re: Hidden Services Hosting and DMCA

2010-06-14 Thread Moritz Bartl
you for your feedback. Still, you're right, I should be more careful with that. I will not host hidden services until I have gathered more information about the consequences. Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net/ *** To unsubscribe

Hidden Services Hosting and DMCA

2010-06-12 Thread Moritz Bartl
don't know what happens on other VMs, and this is how I interpret this. I'm not even so sure if DMCA applies for me, a German hoster offering services, even when using US servers. Internet law isn't easy. Moritz Bartl http://www.torservers.net

Re: Hidden Services Hosting and DMCA

2010-06-12 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, On 12.06.2010 13:13, Marco Bonetti wrote: On 12/giu/2010, at 12.49, Moritz Bartl t...@wiredwings.com wrote: The barrier to create hidden services is quite high. I'm not too sure about this: you can run hidden services on tor clients which do not relay any traffic for the network

Re: Hidden Services Hosting and DMCA

2010-06-12 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi Scott, On 12.06.2010 21:10, Scott Bennett wrote: That machine should be up 24/7, and you still need to maintain (ie. update) it. What a strange thing to say! How can you credibly claim to know the availability requirements for other persons' hidden services? I sorry you're right.

Re: Hidden Services Hosting and DMCA

2010-06-12 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 12.06.2010 22:15, Moritz Bartl wrote: I sorry you're right. LOL now that was a typo. :) *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/

Re: Hidden Services Hosting and DMCA

2010-06-12 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi Mike, Thanks for your valuable input. What you are saying implicates that there might be forces interested in investigating what I am hosting. In a way, you need to compare it to any ISP hosting illegal content without knowledge. In the case of hidden services it might be harder to determine

Re: Tor Exit Node hosting: torservers.net

2010-05-28 Thread Moritz Bartl
work on it in my spare time. Thanks for your feedback and your approval! :-) -- Moritz Bartl GPG 0xED2E9B44 http://www.torservers.net/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talk

Tor Exit Node hosting: torservers.net

2010-05-25 Thread Moritz Bartl
, suggestions and other comments. -- Moritz Bartl GPG 0xED2E9B44 http://www.torservers.net/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/

Re: Tor Exit Node hosting: torservers.net

2010-05-25 Thread Moritz Bartl
yet, but you can be sure I'll be watching it closely. Thanks for your interest. :-) If you want to find out more about me, feel free to visit my blog at www.wiredwings.com . -- Moritz Bartl GPG 0xED2E9B44 http://www.torservers.net

Re: Tor Exit Node hosting: torservers.net

2010-05-25 Thread Moritz Bartl
Plans after all. What I really need to attract is people who decide that they want to *own* (parts of) a Tor node, and are willing to pay a monthly fee for it. -- Moritz Bartl GPG 0xED2E9B44 http://www.torservers.net

Re: Tor Exit Node hosting: torservers.net

2010-05-25 Thread Moritz Bartl
to defend it in cases you actually do care about. So please do not take any decisions about your use personally. I understand that. I have removed the favicon for now until this is cleared. -- Moritz Bartl GPG 0xED2E9B44 http://www.torservers.net

Re: Tor Exit Node hosting: torservers.net

2010-05-25 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi Scott, Mike and Moritz, Would you both *please* stop posting each message to multiple lists? Thanks much. I have only posted the initial annoucement to both lists. -- Moritz Bartl GPG 0xED2E9B44 http://www.torservers.net

Re: Answer by perfect-privacy.com Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc.

2010-05-20 Thread Moritz Bartl
of that family, no more, no less. So, by misconfiguring the family on my side, I cannot hurt the network more than (in the extreme) by running no node at all. -- Moritz Bartl GPG 0xED2E9B44 http://moblog.wiredwings.com/ *** To unsubscribe

Family specifications (was: Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc)

2010-05-20 Thread Moritz Bartl
when you run a lot of nodes. -- Moritz Bartl GPG 0xED2E9B44 http://moblog.wiredwings.com/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-20 Thread Moritz Bartl
. Especially for (smaller) donations, Moneybookers and Liberty Reserve are much cheaper (Paypal: 1.9%+0.35€, Moneybookers: 1% with a maximum of 0.50€). -- Moritz Bartl GPG 0xED2E9B44 http://www.torservers.net/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-20 Thread Moritz Bartl
from donations. -- Moritz Bartl GPG 0xED2E9B44 http://www.torservers.net/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/

Re: Reducing relays = reducing anonymity ? Tortunnel.

2010-05-19 Thread Moritz Bartl
length, and uses packet switching instead of circuit switching. -- Moritz Bartl GPG 0xED2E9B44 http://moblog.wiredwings.com/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http

Re: Reducing relays = reducing anonymity ? Tortunnel.

2010-05-19 Thread Moritz Bartl
on their needs for speed vs. security. A nice design feature. Is there any working implementation of Phantom? I2P is widely in use, and I must say that I really begin to like it. Code also looks much cleaner to me (not: mature). Tor could use a complete rewrite. -- Moritz Bartl GPG 0xED2E9B44 http

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-19 Thread Moritz Bartl
am not associated to the Tor project and that the logo is copyrighted by the project. -- Moritz Bartl GPG 0xED2E9B44 http://moblog.wiredwings.com/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe

Answer by perfect-privacy.com Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc.

2010-05-17 Thread Moritz Bartl
of the community in the matter. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG -- Moritz Bartl GPG 0xED2E9B44 http://moblog.wiredwings.com/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-13 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 13.05.2010 03:27, and...@torproject.org wrote: My USD $0.02. Monthly or yearly? ;-) -- Moritz Bartl GPG 0xED2E9B44 http://moblog.wiredwings.com/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org

Re: GeoIP database comparison

2010-05-13 Thread Moritz Bartl
blocks, contact info and such. http://hostip.info/ -- Moritz Bartl GPG 0xED2E9B44 http://moblog.wiredwings.com/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-12 Thread Moritz Bartl
in such a node. You have to open to a world of people who see the good in Tor, but either don't have the time or the knowledge to run an own exit. -- Moritz Bartl GPG 0xED2E9B44 http://moblog.wiredwings.com/ *** To unsubscribe, send

Re: Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-12 Thread Moritz Bartl
-unfriendly Paypal. -- Moritz Bartl GPG 0xED2E9B44 http://moblog.wiredwings.com/ *** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majord...@torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talkin the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/

Tor Exit Node Sponsorship - looking for partners

2010-05-10 Thread Moritz Bartl
thinking about something like these (monthly): $200 100TB - http://www.100tb.com/ $160 100Mbit/s - http://fdcservers.net/ 50€ 10Mbit/s - http://www.netrouting.nl/ All depending on how many people are willing to participate. -- Moritz Bartl GPG 0xED2E9B44 http://moblog.wiredwings.com